Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3143 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8433 times:
CALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 995 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8310 times:
Congrats to fellow crew members. I've heard it's very helpful for cockpit crews, especially for those DEV commuters.
WeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8175 times:
HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8114 times:
Quoting CO767FA (Thread starter): The VP of Inflight for CO has just announced that beginning July 15, 2009 our two respective carriers will have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement.
Thoughts?
Congratulations! If either carrier wishes to have an agreement with HA, let me know. I am on the jumpseat committee here and we will be initiating proposals soon.
Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 4): Great news for us, but it is about time. I believe CO is one of the only US airlines with no outside FA jumpseat agreements (that I am aware off)
HA and Mesaba are the other US carriers with no agreements in place.
Aloha,
HALFA
HNL-AKL Starts March 2013, HNL-SDJ starts June 2013, HNL-TPE Starts July 2013
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8100 times:
Quoting CO767FA (Thread starter): The VP of Inflight for CO has just announced that beginning July 15, 2009 our two respective carriers will have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement.
Whoa whoa whoa, its a reciprocal SEAT agreement. Not jumpseat. Meaning, if there are leftover seats, then the flight attendant would get a seat. I don't think you will see UA flight attendants sitting with CO flight attendants and vice versa.
AmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8062 times:
What about Amtrak???
I know I know I know it won't work -- we can all dream of having this.
Jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8062 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 7): Whoa whoa whoa, its a reciprocal SEAT agreement. Not jumpseat. Meaning, if there are leftover seats, then the flight attendant would get a seat. I don't think you will see UA flight attendants sitting with CO flight attendants and vice versa.
Exactly. The term is referred to as a reciprocal cabin jumpseat agreement. As part of the CBA between UA and AFA, only UA flight attendants are allowed on cabin (F/A) jumpseats.
Congrats to CO F/A's for securing their first agreement.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7859 times:
It's about time. Other airlines FA's have had these agreements in place for years. Our FA's enjoyed using JetBlue jumpseat agreements for years without extending the courtesy to JB flight attendants. I once had a discussion with one of our FA's. She had used JetBlue to get to work that day in EWR. I asked her if a jetblue FA could ride on our flights(already knowing the answer). She said "oh no!, we would never allow that!" Inflight had a cow when the pilots asked if we could use an extra FA jumpseat(should one be available) after all commuting FA's had a chance at a seat(our new 737's are arriving with only 1 cockpit jumpseat thus reducing our available seats to and from work), and would not hear of it. Shortly after that, they put out the infamous hotel upgraded room memo....
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7857 times:
BTW, for you CAL FA's using United jumpseat passes.... a warning.. Unlike what happens all too much at our airline, you had better introduce yourself to the cockpit crew of the United jet and ask for the jumpseat from the purser as well as the captain. The walking into the cockpit and telling the captain that you are on the jumpseat doesn't work at most airlines(and will not in the future at CAL). Not trying to be an ass here, trust me. We(pilots) always extend this courtesy when jumpseating offline. It is how it should be done. We are a bit too laid back about it here at Continental.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7792 times:
Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 13): BTW, for you CAL FA's using United jumpseat passes.... a warning.. Unlike what happens all too much at our airline, you had better introduce yourself to the cockpit crew of the United jet and ask for the jumpseat from the purser as well as the captain. The walking into the cockpit and telling the captain that you are on the jumpseat doesn't work at most airlines(and will not in the future at CAL). Not trying to be an ass here, trust me. We(pilots) always extend this courtesy when jumpseating offline. It is how it should be done. We are a bit too laid back about it here at Continental.
I would just like to say, that I always ask for a seat to and from DSM. And you guys are always always nice to me and I cant tell you how much I appreciate all your help!!!
COUAFA From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7782 times:
BTW, for you CAL FA's using United jumpseat passes.... a warning.. Unlike what happens all too much at our airline, you had better introduce yourself to the cockpit crew of the United jet and ask for the jumpseat from the purser as well as the captain. The walking into the cockpit and telling the captain that you are on the jumpseat doesn't work at most airlines(and will not in the future at CAL). Not trying to be an ass here, trust me. We(pilots) always extend this courtesy when jumpseating offline. It is how it should be done. We are a bit too laid back about it here at Continental.
This is not for the "jumpseat" so you don't need to ask the cockpit or purser if you can take the jumpseat. All you do is ask the agent to check you in for the cabin jumpseat program and if they have empty seats, you will be assigned one. You are not even required to introduce yourself to the cockpit or purser at UA.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6029 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
Quoting CAL (Reply 16): Well, I for one am very happy about this. Its a start. Now we just have to push the people at headquarters to continue adding more airlines..
Since it has been agreed that this is NOT for jumpseats, what is the difference between this and a regular interline pass policy which I assume UA and CO have had for a long time.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7583 times:
Quoting COUAFA (Reply 15):
This is not for the "jumpseat" so you don't need to ask the cockpit or purser if you can take the jumpseat. All you do is ask the agent to check you in for the cabin jumpseat program and if they have empty seats, you will be assigned one. You are not even required to introduce yourself to the cockpit or purser at UA.
As is our policy for riding in the back of a UAL aircraft. Since it is an agreement between the workgroups, however, I extend the courtesy of asking and introducing myself to the United crew that agreed to reciprocate. I don't bypass the purser and waltz into the cockpit either, I start there. The CA would like to know if a pilot or flight attendant is on the aircraft should anything go wrong. You are an ABA... I understand what you are saying regarding not actually riding the jumpseat, we have the same agreement except we can use their actual jumpseat if no cabin seat is available. I'm sure a bulletin will come out outlining the exact procedure United expects when you use their aircraft for travel. Anyway, I'm glad you guys are doing this! Will save our FA's a lot of pain and some cash in the commuting arena.
N104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 889 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7427 times:
This is just another step to a merger. If you notice UA and CO are getting closer and closer every month and soon enough with out us knowing they will basically be the same carrier and then it will not be a big deal when they officially merge
"Learn the rules, so you know how to break them properly." -H.H. The Dalai Lama
No, you don't need to introduce yourself to the cockpit, or the purser. If you want to say hello thats great, but its not a requirement. Its just like being on an ID90 pass, except it's free.
The flight attendant agreement is very different from pilots.
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Nws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 786 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6936 times:
As a CO FA I'm very happy about this. Just one more option to get around.
I usually introduce myself to one of the flight attendants when I'm jumpseat or nonrev, but I've never introduced myself to the pilots. I've always assumed the pilots could care less if they had an extra flight attendant onboard. I'll ask during my next few trips, but I don't think the pilots really care one way or another. I can see them being upset if someone just plops down on the flight deck jumpseat though, that is your office, and I would expect someone to ask first.
For the record I have zero problem with CO pilots sitting on our extra jumpseat after all FAs are cleared, BUT I don't see what we gain as a workgroup either. We would be more receptive if the pilot union would agree to work with TSA and the FAA to allow us to sit on flight deck jumpseats on our own aircraft after all the pilots have been cleared.
Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1648 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 12): Shortly after that, they put out the infamous hotel upgraded room memo...
Jw, what was this regarding? I'm curious! Thanks
When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
Quoting Tu154 (Reply 21): No, you don't need to introduce yourself to the cockpit, or the purser. If you want to say hello thats great, but its not a requirement. Its just like being on an ID90 pass, except it's free.
That may be the case at your airline, but at ours, most pilots that I know of will ask to see *all* offline jumpseaters/passriders - if only to verify that they are who they say they are. Most will (by default) introduce themselves to the FA's and pilots, but some are rather new at the process. Professional courtesy goes a long way, and it's always appreciated with us.
As a commuter, I make it a habit (regardless of what the other airline's policy may be) to introduce myself to the cabin crew and flight crew - and to ask their permission to 'hitch a ride' to/from work. Assigned seat notwithstanding. I've always found that most times, both the cabin crew and pilots appreciate my doing so.
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25 Nws2002: The pilot group is all abuzz about this memo that clarified what order room upgrades should go in if offered by the hotel. For the record it says: ca
26 UAL747DEN: This is just a CO thing. For some crazy reason the pilots at CO (and XE because they do everything their big brothers at CO do) expect everyone to tr
27 Atrude777: We shall clear some things up here... --This only means F/A from UA/CO may ride in the CABIN at any given moment provided space is available after emp
28 Ual777: It IS the Captain's plane and he/she can have you removed. FAR 91.3a- The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the FIN
29 LACA773: It sounds like this is just a way of being polite and classy. You are a representive of your airline and it's nice to show your apreciation even if i
30 Labswalker: UAL747DEN, let me guess, has nothing to do with what you're a pilot on? A little jealous of pilots? Envious? I would be willing to bet you've never go
31 TheGreatChecko: Personally, I think it is a bit rude when a pilot who is traveling on reciprocal benefits (not a pass) doesn't stop up front and say hello. It is nice
32 Alias1024: WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! It is pretty much expected at all airlines that jumpseaters will check with the captain prior, even if given a seat in the cabin. It
33 SkyGirl: As an F/A I have no authority whatsoever, but I'd love to see a UA/HA seat agreement for what it's worth! If getting a reciprocal agreement is anothe
34 Etops1: Co needs to get an agreement with USAirways ASAP!!
35 WNCrew: We do not have to introduce ourselves to out pilots nor do other FA jumpseaters or pilots (unless they're sitting up front) This whole mentality of "i
36 EWRCabincrew: It is funny reading all the posts on this. Even the petty bitchiness between pilots/inflight. Laughable at best! I am old school. I will always introd
37 Ual777: Judging from your attitude the feeling is probably mutual with the pilots you fly with. A big thumbs up to you! That is the way it is supposed to be
38 WNCrew: Again, as clearly stated in my post, you respect me then I'll respect you, but don't go on a tangent about how someone needs to introduce themselves
39 UAL777: I am not referring to the cabin seats. Too many try to take the jumpseat (pilots included) and just walk up and say "Im your jumpseater" without even
40 Alias1024: This man gets it. I always do the same when jumpseating. I introduce myself to the captain and first officer and politely ask for permission. After t
41 Labswalker: WNcrew, just a little question, how many thousands of hours of training did you get BEFORE you were hired? How many licenses(that mean anything) and h
42 Falcon84: It's about time. I know the UA crews coming in/out of CLE will like that. And since XJT crews that are normally working CO are working UA this summer,
43 UAL747DEN: CAN have you removed, YES. SHOULD have you removed for not asking permission for a right that is granted by company policy and given to you by the ga
44 TheGreatChecko: UAL, You're not a pilot, so the checking in with the captain "rule" really doesn't apply to you. I would hope you at the least say hello to the lead f
45 Ual777: The lowest is 1,200 hours and 200 multi to get a job at HOjet.
46 UAL747DEN: The thread is not about pilots its about FA's. Im telling you the pilots EXPECT the FA's at CO and XE to ask permission before taking their cabin sea
47 Alias1024: Jumpseating is NOT a right. It is a privilege, granted by the crew of the flight. There are rules as to whom can be granted this privilege, and those
48 WNCrew: I fail to see how ANY of this is relevant to, AGAIN, a CA insisting that someone who is riding in a cabin seat (just like a non-reving pass-rider who
49 TheGreatChecko: I know, I can read as well as you can. Unfortunately, pilots were brought into the conversation and it got confusing very quickly. At the vast majori
50 IAHERJ: You are making a fool of yourself. The pilots at CAL also wxpect pilots traveling for free on a jupseat pass to introduce themselves when taking a se
51 Atlwest1: When I have used DL as an FA I always introduced myself to the Lead FA if possible but certainly to the FA's in coach. Ive never have introduced mysel
52 Nws2002: I've worked for CO as a FA for 3 years, and I've NEVER had a pilot care if a FA takes a cabin jumpseat or a cabin seat without speaking with them. So
53 Comorin: Actually, it was Feliks Dzerzhinsky, head of the dreaded Cheka (later NKVD) who said it first. He probably has something else in mind. His statue sta
54 TheGreatChecko: You learn something new everyday!! Thanks!
55 HALFA: This is a very interesting topic for me. As I mentioned earlier, we at HA will begin initiating reciprocal cabin seat agreements with other carriers v
56 Labswalker: UAL747DEN, gee must be a supervisor WOW! Your just mad because you didn't show the crew a little courtesy. Your pissed a Capt has the authority. Oh I'
57 Nws2002: Not sure what airline you work for, but at CO, whenever I'm the lead I always let the captain know how many non-rev FA and pilots we have in the back
58 WNCrew: You just wrapped up my point with a neat little bow! Thanks s'much!
59 Transpac787: For what it's worth, your point is irrelevant and meaningless as all airlines except WN will continue to require jumpseating crewmembers to introduce
60 HALFA: When you say jumpseating crewmembers must introduce themselves to the captain, are you referring to pilots and flight attendants or just pilots? Than
61 Transpac787: At the airline I work at, it's both. Beyond being company policy, it's simple common courtesy. You are bumming a free ride off another airline which
62 EA CO AS: That's EXACTLY what it means! Signed, DL Widget Head
63 CO767FA: With all due respect - this statement just made the point about it often being an ego thing (to require the non-rev to introduce themselves). Why not
64 HALFA: Nor would I. As I mentioned, this is all new to us as we have never had a flight attendant from another carrier "jumpseat" on us as we have no agreem
65 IAHERJ: You are not "bothering" the pilots. The fact that we want to know you are on the plane should serve to prove the point that we VALUE your position and
66 WNCrew: It is our policy at WN as well that all pilots who are signed up for the FD jumpseat (but otherwise occupy cabin-seats) are to introduce themselves,
67 HALFA: Very good point. Also good to know. Thank you for your opinion. It's appreciated! Aloha, HALFA
68 UAL747DEN: I do not agree with your idea of it being a privilege at all. It is a RIGHT granted by company policy and is considered part of any FA's compensation
69 Transpac787: The company is not charged with the final authority in operating the airplane, the captain is. So, for all intents and purposes, once that plane leav
70 TheGreatChecko: Wow...jumpseating is a "right" now. Just wow... You should have stopped while you were ahead. Now I completely understand why you have gotten kicked
71 Nws2002: The company can also terminate the captain's employment for refusing to comply with a reasonable order from management. I agree that the captain does
72 Gigneil: This is one of the basic problems with the industry, summed up in one sentence. Congrats, you went to school. Your job doesn't change one way or the
73 Labswalker: Hey UAL747DEN..ok if you are "upper mgt" and make sooo much money, you should be a little more worried about your airlines health, than a jumpseat on
74 Coalways: Wow u represent CO employees Badly. Read ur post on here and you should be ashamed of yourself i hope your crewmembers spit in your food if they have
75 UAL747DEN: If you would read what I wrote you would see that I said this happened while I was working as a FA for CO. I NOW work for United but cannot jumpseat
76 Labswalker: I guess I really don't understand the business side. I've always believed the bottom line at the end of the day was to make a profit. Not lose Billion
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