United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7176 posts, RR: 8 Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7889 times:
I was flipping through the channels last nite,and I saw this was on . I know,it's hoky,the usual shooting guns inside a plane,and all.But,for tristar fans,it is a worthy watch. I see that it was an ex -EA bird by the reg. Also,i did not know you could access the inside of the plane from the nose-gear well?
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Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7775 times:
Passenger 57
Several fight scenes took place on board an Atlantic International L1011. However, apparently little serious damage was done. Filming in fact took place at Orlando.
Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
As far as the images of the TriStar go, this movie must be among the best out there where footage of aircraft is involved.
The one sentence that hurts my ears though is when John Cutter messes around with the fuel system and the F/A screams "Are you mad? This is a Jumbo Jet!"
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2518 posts, RR: 44 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7722 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3): Well I recall getting on an IB MD80 and finding the safety card was for an A320.
FA are not all anetters.
Nor are the Flight Attendants normally the ones who distribute the safety cards in the seat back pockets. Planes do commonly have spares for the FA's to hand out if one is found missing, however.
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7176 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7654 times:
Quoting Levent (Reply 2): As far as the images of the TriStar go, this movie must be among the best out there where footage of aircraft is involved.
Don't forget SWAT (the later one)
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474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7623 times:
After watching Passenger 57, I went to work and looked for the door from the wheel well to the cabin and the two wires marked fuel dump. While the images of the L-1011 were great, the technical content was surly lacking.
Flyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1338 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7608 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 6): I went to work and looked for the door from the wheel well to the cabin and the two wires marked fuel dump. While the images of the L-1011 were great, the technical content was surly lacking.
While I can't speak for the L1011, I can say that the DC10, MD11 and 747 all have access doors that lead from the nose wheel well to the cockpit, or in the case of the 747, to the cabin. Usually a very tight squeeze, and having done it on the MD11, I'm convinced you need to be a circus performer to get through.
FuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2018 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7598 times:
I find it hard to watch movies involving airplanes any more because they're so inaccurate.
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Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3727 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7496 times:
Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8): I find it hard to watch movies involving airplanes any more because they're so inaccurate.
You just have to suspend reality or an hour and a half or so and just enjoy the flick for what it is, mindless entertainment.
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7420 times:
Quoting Levent (Reply 2): The one sentence that hurts my ears though is when John Cutter messes around with the fuel system and the F/A screams "Are you mad? This is a Jumbo Jet!"
Whilst we all refer to the 747 as being a Jumbo Jet, initially the 747, DC10 and L1011 were all known as Jumbo Jets.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7397 times:
Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 7): While I can't speak for the L1011, I can say that the DC10, MD11 and 747 all have access doors that lead from the nose wheel well to the cockpit, or in the case of the 747, to the cabin. Usually a very tight squeeze, and having done it on the MD11, I'm convinced you need to be a circus performer to get through.
I can speak for the L-1011 and there are no doors in any wheel wheels that would provide access to the pressurized area (cabin/flight station/cargo compartments/etc).
JoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7394 times:
Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8): I find it hard to watch movies involving airplanes any more because they're so inaccurate.
How about DIE HARD 2 lol. I love airplanes to death but the 10min delay on the grenades and the ejection seat on that cargo plane hahaha. Or the 747 fuel dump when he lights it up on the runway and the fire travels at 160kts to the plane to blow it up....
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 971 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7381 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3): Well I recall getting on an IB MD80 and finding the safety card was for an A320.
FA are not all anetters.
What comment is that? We don't put the safety cards on the plane. The safety cards are provbided by the carrier and might be distributed by both maintenance as well as cleaning.
We sure know which plane we are on... even if we are not anetters...
In fact one of our responsibilities is to ensure that the seat pockets or at least every seat row has a correct safety card... but of course this is done by spot check... it would be totally out of question to check EVERY single seat on EVERY single flight... unless of course turnaround times would be extended... but time is money in the business... that's one of the reasons why passengers are actually not allowed to take the safety cards with them. But oh well who could blame the young airplane enthusiast for taking it... lol...
Also it's correct that we have spare safety cards as someone already stated.
Now about the jumbo jet comment... even though the Boeing 747 is commonly known as the jumbo jet and was the plane who earned the nick name, you often or at least every now and then hear the media or the public to efer to other widebodies as jumbo jets as well... in that case it basically means that the plane in subject is a widebody... one might not like it... but I wouldn't say it's totally and completely wrong... sometimes it depends if they are talking about: A jumbo-jet, or THE jumbo/jumbo-jet... A jumbo jet could be any widebody (initially 747, L1011, DC-10) whereas THE jumbo-jet is a 747.
I love the movie... of course it has my FAVORITE plane in it... some scenes are definitely a bit unrealistic or a bit over the top... but oh well it's a movie!
I also like the name of the airline: Atlantic International - AIA. It sure gives the impression of a major US airline and sounds very realistic.
JoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7361 times:
Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 14): Now about the jumbo jet comment... even though the Boeing 747 is commonly known as the jumbo jet and was the plane who earned the nick name, you often or at least every now and then hear the media or the public to efer to other widebodies as jumbo jets as well... in that case it basically means that the plane in subject is a widebody... one might not like it
I forget which show it was that I was watching but it said something like there was a jumbo jet taking off on a runway and when they showed it, it was a DC9 I could not stop laughing my ass off.
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 971 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7140 times:
The best thing about this movie is that it is one of only a few airplane movies where the inside of the portrayed aircraft type looks like the real thing in almost every detail. So they really did a great job on that.
The "Airport" movies were very accurate as well, maybe the most accurate of all -the Boeing 707 in the original and the "Columbia" 747 in the first sequel looked perfect... but other than that I can't think of any other blockbuster Hollywood movie that comes close to "Passenger 57".
"Executive Decision" and "Turbulence" - the first one with Lauren Holly and Ray Liotta are very good as well, but in both movies the actual plane was a classic 747-100 or 200 series from the outside, while the inside of the cabin featured a straight stairwell at doors 2L/R instead of the spiral staircase at doors 1L/R featured on the classic 747's. Also in both movies the flight deck crew lacked a F/E. The rest of the cabin interior however looked pretty much like the classic 747's with the sidewall panels and overhead bins. In "Executive Decision" the cabin looked exactly like Pan Am's last featured cabin on their classic 747's before they went bankrupt. So one might get the feeling that "Oceanic Airlines" was a tribute to Pan Am which also flew mainly on international and transoceanic routes throughout the longest part of its history.
So the straight stairwell and the cockpit with the missing F/E bothered me a bit in both movies.
On "Passenger 57" however the inside of the plane/movie set/mock-up... whatever you wanna call it features almost every detail typical to the Lockheed TriStar L1011-1 series. The 3 men flight deck, the typical L1011 overhead bins, the lower deck galley with the two elevators, also the cabin doors look exactly as they do on the real thing, so do the galleys, even some of the food carts that were typical to the L1011 and its lower lobe galley can be seen. The only thing that makes you realize they weren't actually on a real L1011 is the length of the cabin... it has only three sections instead of four and the mid section is way too short, and the main deck service center and galley with the elevators is too far in the back. But one has to look very closely and must know the L1011 very well to see and realize that.
While I'm writing this I come to think of the movie "Crash" about Eastern Airlines flight 401 which crashed in the Everglades on december 29, 1972. Starring William Shatner. This movie featured a fairly accurate L1011 cabin as well.
EwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7112 times:
Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8): I find it hard to watch movies involving airplanes any more because they're so inaccurate.
The movie Air Force One wasn't all that bad, I think they did a pretty good job....
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3277 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7068 times:
Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 17): The "Airport" movies were very accurate as well, maybe the most accurate of all -the Boeing 707 in the original and the "Columbia" 747 in the first sequel looked perfect... but other than that I can't think of any other blockbuster Hollywood movie that comes close to "Passenger 57".
It doesn't have a *lot* of airplane footage, but "Cast Away" seems pretty accurate in what it does have. I've seen interiors of real FedEx MD-11's and they look very similar to what's in the movie. Also, IIRC they got details like the weather radar right - when they're going through the storm and Tom Hanks is looking through the open cockpit door seeing lightning all around them, you can see a massive line of red thunderstorms on the radar.
FedEx obviously participated in the making of the movie, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.
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F9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 689 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6793 times:
Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 13): How about DIE HARD 2 lol. I love airplanes to death but the 10min delay on the grenades and the ejection seat on that cargo plane hahaha. Or the 747 fuel dump when he lights it up on the runway and the fire travels at 160kts to the plane to blow it up....
Or how they adjusted an ILS glideslope in about five seconds?
Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 14): Now about the jumbo jet comment... even though the Boeing 747 is commonly known as the jumbo jet and was the plane who earned the nick name, you often or at least every now and then hear the media or the public to efer to other widebodies as jumbo jets as well... in that case it basically means that the plane in subject is a widebody... one might not like it... but I wouldn't say it's totally and completely wrong... sometimes it depends if they are talking about: A jumbo-jet, or THE jumbo/jumbo-jet... A jumbo jet could be any widebody (initially 747, L1011, DC-10) whereas THE jumbo-jet is a 747.
Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 15): I forget which show it was that I was watching but it said something like there was a jumbo jet taking off on a runway and when they showed it, it was a DC9 I could not stop laughing my ass off.
I've noticed that the press tends to call a A318/B737 or larger a "jumbo" these days. However, with all the RJs out there these days, they are a lot closer to being accurate than what we want to admit.
Quoting EwRkId (Reply 18): The movie Air Force One wasn't all that bad, I think they did a pretty good job....
I read that while they were filming the final sequences (with the plane painted in Air Force One colors and with simulated bullet holes in the tail) off the California coast, a military pilot on a training mission saw them and thought the real AF1 was in trouble (until he was informed they were filming a movie).
VirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6509 times:
Quoting EwRkId (Reply 18): Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8):
I find it hard to watch movies involving airplanes any more because they're so inaccurate.
The movie Air Force One wasn't all that bad, I think they did a pretty good job....
Yes, the Apollo style escape pod and the cargo ramp were great...
Seriously though, it is a movie... It's called artistic licence... I love how people get so worked up because an aircraft converts from a 747 to a 767 between the take off and landing, but don't bat an eyelid at insect-like aliens invading in hordes... I appreciate it when they actually get it right, and chuckle when they really cock it up (I'm waiting for the one where someone takes off in a B747 and lands in a C152), but I wouldn't say I find it hard to watch movies...
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Flyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6326 times:
It was a great movie, my old VHS tape has too many scratches and hiccups on it now, wonder if i could order a DVD version anyone?
25 ThirtyEcho: I think that the old "Twilight Zone" episode, starring William Shatner, where the Yeti was out on the wing ripping up the nacelle, was very accurate.
27 757GB: Funny thing is that I was reading this thread yesterday, and when I get home after work... guess what movie it's on here in Uruguay? Yep, Passenger 57
28 SXDFC: The cabin of Air Force One in the movie looks nicer then the real one!
29 KaiGywer: You might find it in the discount bin. And there's always eBay
30 Malaysia: Well I never got a chance to get #57 as my sequence number, but recently I got row 57, and I squealed like a little pig weeee I liked the movie a lot
31 Bennett123: L1011Lover My comment was in reaction to reply 2. I thought that the FA put out the Safety Cards. Clearly, whoever it was could not spot the rather ob
32 Tonyban: In the final scene when Bruce Willis is fighting one of the bad guys on the wing of the 747, there are several shots of the engine and its clearly no
33 Aviateur: You can do this on a 747 too -- though it's the avionics bay, not the gear well. When I flew for NW Airlink, at BOS, back in the early 1990s, there w
34 JoseKMLB: Yes and another one my boss and I always said. In the movie they say they cant reach any of the planes right, well I see about 20 or more planes on t
35 Avalon2862: Actually, it's a little misleading... he goes through the security gate and he was walking towards the flight line at KMEM. The plane closest to the
36 EMBQA: The fuselage from that movie was still up in BGR when I was living there in 1995-2000.
37 AJO: In The Usual Suspects, somebody departs in a 747, but when the plane lands, we suddenly see footage of a two engine plane (probably a 767 or 777).
38 HarrisonRuess: amazon.co.uk has the DVD: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Passenger-57...e=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1246298176&sr=8-1 I actually found it on sale at an HMV here and ma
39 Rb211: What's really amazing is that the cabin they used in the movie is actually from the fuselage of the first L-1011 which is now the employee store hanga
40 United_Fan: Didn't they paint just one side of it ?
41 C172Akula: I always thought he was boarding the A300, and the movie didn't show him getting off it at another airport (LAX, etc) to board the MD-11 that takes h
42 Bennett123: L1011 Produktionsliste msn 193B-1065 Version : L1011-385-50 First Flight: 10.02.74 Powered by: 3 x Rolls Royce RB211-22B MTOW (lbs): 450.000 Complete
43 TWAL1011727: On most major(and some/most regional) airlines the cabin cleaning crews are normally responsible for changing damaged/missing or wrong safety cards.
44 ACDC8: Orlando-Sanford to be exact. You see a group of Comair's training departments aircraft on the ramp and the Comair name on one of the buildings in a s
45 C5LOAD: This movie was loaded with technical foul-ups. Like when the General shoots the two pilots and one bullet goes through the windshield, yet there is n
46 FlyASAGuy2005: Not necessarily. Remember Tenerife. It's a movie. And they did at least acknowledge they were landing on a very small field. We also never know the a
47 JoseKMLB: Yeah I guess that would make sense. Thats true.
48 L1011Lover: That was another movie... they actually made two movies about the crash of EA401. The one starring Ernest Borgnine was more about the ghost stories f
49 Rb211: What is hilarious is the movie "Commando", where Arnold jumps off of the landing gear of a Western DC-10 during climb out. Two totally different Weste
50 TWAL1011727: Yep....after I posted this , I googled and found the movie was "Crash" with Wm. Shatner. It was also disheartening to find out this L10 was only 4 mo
51 Ferengi80: I love this film for this very reason! Fantastic footage of the TriStar. There is a very good film called Last Flight Out, which is based on the true
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