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User currently offlineDelta123 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 2 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17569 times:

Hey everyone is there someone out there know What is delta most profitable routes this days ??

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17530 times:

I would say EWR-AMS.  crazy  (Have they cancelled that yet?)

User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17498 times:

Their PHL-MAN route does very well. Daily on A333.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17433 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
Their PHL-MAN route does very well. Daily on A333.

Umm thats US Airways not Delta.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17416 times:

Perhaps one of their African routes?

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17253 times:

Unfortunately nobody here will likely have access to that information, the only real answers people here could provide will be hearsay: "I've heard it's XXX-XXX." Only people within management and network planning really have privy to that information, though DL in the past has listed some of its most profitable routes at conference calls and other investor meetings. In the past, ATL-NRT and JFK-IST (I think?) have been mentioned, but who knows at this point?

Jeremy


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17104 times:

ATL-SVO and JFK-SVO are packed most of time.
Guess their RUS routes are very profitable.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17086 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 6):
ATL-SVO

isn't this being suspended for the winter?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17010 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
JFK-IST (I think?)

Definetly not. In the winters it is down to 4 x weekly.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16887 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
I would say EWR-AMS.    (Have they cancelled that yet?)

It can't be that bad. They just stared the 763 service last month. Last summer NW operated the route with 2 757s. I'd give it time.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16689 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 6):
ATL-SVO

isn't this being suspended for the winter?

That's correct. This flight was reportedly highly profitable prior to the collapse of business travel to Russia and also prior to the introduction of ORD-DME and IAD-DME by AA and UA respectively.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16589 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Perhaps one of their African routes?

Almost certainly so.

The most profitable route is not the most prestigous, or a route with high frequencies, or with high load factors. The most profitable route is the one that generates the most income against a comparatively low operating cost.

Most African cities are lucrative because seats to/from certain places are precious. European airlines serving African cities generally refer to them as profitable, and carriers like LH, AF, BA have extensive networks with good feed at the European end. There is reason to believe that this is the same for DL.

Other routes that may be profitable are perhaps the Asian routes, since business travel means higher yields (usually).

Routes that are definately not profitable are the leisure, tourist routes, usually to Europe. We know that much at least.

Dunno about DL's domestic network-I guess it's an entirely different ballgame when applying the rules of profitability.


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16500 times:

I wish ACV-SLC was on that list. But according to the local papers, the route may be cut if loads don't improve. I have flown it twice since May and appreciate the much shorter travel times to MCI and EWR. SFO is not a fun hub to transit through when the weather is bad. The early morning DL flight to SLC and late evening flight back to ACV seem to be full most of the time but the loads on the midday flights are not too good.


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16467 times:



Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 12):
I wish ACV-SLC was on that list. But according to the local papers, the route may be cut if loads don't improve.

just like every other route DL has flown from SLC to CA/OR/WA recently. DL only takes the revenue guarantee and when it runs out, quits the market


When you mean most profitable, do you mean margin or total profit?

On margin only it might be something odd like ABY-ATL. With high fares and beyond contribution I could see this being over 50% margin but total profit it likely small.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16393 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
DL only takes the revenue guarantee and when it runs out, quits the market

Right because another airline in DL's position would continue to fly the route after the revenue guarantee runs out if that route were unprofitable.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16290 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Right because another airline in DL's position would continue to fly the route after the revenue guarantee runs out if that route were unprofitable. Yeah sure

What it shows is DL is dishonest. They take the money then quit. The honest thing to do is not take the money and not fly the route. This is pennywise and pound foolish . Communities will not approach DL in the future for air service. I am willing to bet DL now has a horrible reputation now in BFL, MRY, SBP, YKM, SLE etc


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16247 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 15):
What it shows is DL is dishonest. They take the money then quit. The honest thing to do is not take the money and not fly the route. This is pennywise and pound foolish . Communities will not approach DL in the future for air service. I am willing to bet DL now has a horrible reputation now in BFL, MRY, SBP, YKM, SLE etc

Oh please. It shows no such thing. Again, show me which other airline is refusing to take money that is handed them by communities in the interest of being "honest". Can't name one? Didn't think so.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16219 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 11):
We know that much at least.

I'm afraid you don't know anything of the sort, and what you're stating in that regard is pure a.net myth. Tell me, if such are not profitable, why are they flying them?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Right because another airline in DL's position would continue to fly the route after the revenue guarantee runs out if that route were unprofitable

What it shows is that DL are quite happy to provide 'service only when they are subsidised to do so. Without the subsidy, they have no interest.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16173 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 17):
What it shows is that DL are quite happy to provide 'service only when they are subsidised to do so. Without the subsidy, they have no interest.

Show me a single airline that is not happy to receive a subsidy and which has refused said subsidy when it was offered them.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

Since everyone is guessing I too shall take a punt and say that DL's most profitable routes for a while have been ATL-LON and ATL/JFK-CDG.

User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15684 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
Their PHL-MAN route does very well. Daily on A333.

Umm thats US Airways not Delta.

Yes sorry my mistake! Jumped into it too quickly!



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User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15037 times:

I know the most profitable route for NW in MEM was/is LIT. It was because it had the highest average fare compared to cost to operate. It was profitable by percentage and not money generated. So I guess the question is "What is profitable?" Percentage, Gross, or Net?

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14994 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
Their PHL-MAN route does very well. Daily on A333.

I know its not DL, but is this a big route for US?

I think the CDG routes are probably big money makers.



seemyseems
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14935 times:

I don't think there is an answer to this question, necessarily. It changes.



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User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14895 times:

take a look at where the displaced 777's will go. that should tell you.

25 LHCVG : I think I read on some post a while back that CVG-CDG, for example, is one of their most profitable transatlantic routes.
26 KWBL : Regarding DL starting and stopping routes once subsidies run out. I have followed the SLE situation closely (from the recruitment effort to the end of
27 MtnWest1979 : What it really shows is how some communities are dumb enough to assume that since they have x amount of population or whatever, that they think an ai
28 Super80DFW : Just because a flight goes out full doesn't mean it's profitable.
29 DAL763ER : What about JFK-BUD? They've been flying that for years - yes, I know it's an old PanAm route, but still. In PanAm times, they hubbed at FRA and switch
30 Transpac787 : So despite them cutting Africa markets left and right to near nothing, you remain convinced they are the most profitable?
31 2travel2know : These days my guess would be JFK-GEO.
32 Cws818 : DL left the JFK-BUD market for probably close to a decade before reinstating it during the recent JFK build-up.
33 ThegreatRDU : yea right the last CVG does right now is make a profit for DL
34 LHCVG : This was in the past, hence the past tense. Perhaps I should have used "was" to clarify, but I was simply referring to a long ago post.
35 Lono : DL is profitable...???? Where..????? When...???? How..???? Indeed.....
36 Xkorpyoh : From another post last year, JFK - ACC was the most profitable last year, not sure now
37 Pylon101 : I don't recall any winter period when ATL-SVO was suspended. They flew 767-400 all the way from the beginnig. As to profitability - how do I know? I a
38 Aviationbuff08 : That would be a good place to start guessing. With very few (16 in current operation) 777's they are not likely going to send them to places where th
39 Aeroflot777 : It will be suspended winter 2009-2010 going to seasonal service. Aeroflot777
40 Directorguy : Because DL has a tradition of cutting such routes left and right, and it's been said time and time again through press releases, stats etc. that thes
41 EXAAUADL : Airlines turn down revenue enticements all the time. AA did so for DFW-RST. So there I named one...dont you feel foolish?
42 EXAAUADL : Oh I forgot another. NW turned down MSP-Marshall, MN Now youre really foolish
43 OA412 : Do you have a source for either one? I've searched and searched and can't find anything about either.
44 Shamrock604 : That doesnt imply that tourist routes to Europe arent profit making. Just that some of them (and actually a small number given DL's large euro presen
45 Jfk777 : Atlanta to London, both LHR and LGW, would be my vote since it was Delta's first European route.
46 STT757 : DL no longer flies JFK-CDG.
47 Danild : Hi all! I work for a Travel Agency and since I look at airfares all the time I thought that the most profitable routes for Delta are not European flig
48 AAce24 : Since when is honesty a big part of the airline business? It's all about the bottom dollar, and if you believe anything else then you are foolish.
49 EXAAUADL : There is no published source for something like that. I have inside info that's all. Even DL with their greedy little hands has turned some communiti
50 FXramper : Receives heavy revenue bumps with the US Government authorizing this route for official travel.
51 AAce24 : DL is no more greedy than AA, US, CO, UA etc. The days of being "honorable" and honest are long gone in any business.[Edited 2009-06-28 09:27:48]
52 OA412 : So as I suspected you made both up...
53 Post contains links AirlineBrat : Just as I feared, ACV-SLC service will become summer only as of September 1st..... At least we didn't permanently lose DL. Let's hope the economy impr
54 LXA340 : Supposedly ATL-TLV also belongs to one of DL's best performing routes.
55 Directorguy : But remember how competitive New York-London is, and how these two cities are always the first to be affected by an economic crisis, depressing premi
56 Mats : Well, I think it has to be a market with a lot of cargo and a lot of fare-paying business class passengers without seasonality. I was always told that
57 CXA330300 : I would not be surprised by ATL-TLV, as many carriers report TLV as among their most profitable cities-the EWR-TLV route basically prints money for CO
58 FlyASAGuy2005 : I wouldn't say so entirely. Of course if there's still money to be had without the subsidy, that would be incentive to stay in the market but 2009 is
59 Jetlanta : Exactly why are you "EX" DL? The veil of anonymity doesn't hide the bitterness.
60 Panamair : With DL's recent expansion to 'unique' worldwide destinations, many routes now come under this category since Delta is the only US flag carrier to th
61 Aviateur : Actually, JFK-BUD is one of DL's newer routes. It debuted in 2006, I believe. I'm surprised it wasn't cut to seasonal... biz class is often mostly em
62 Lexy : Domestically, BNA-ATL is right up there at the top. International, I have no idea.
63 FlyDeltaJets : I have been told by the money makers in JFK anyways are JFK-GEO and JFK-ATH. The GEO route because of the low cost of operation compared to the high f
64 Directorguy : Why can't government officials fly Royal Jordanian, Egyptair, Aerosvit Airlines or Czech Airlines?
65 OA412 : It's due to the the "Fly America Act". All federal employees are required to fly US flag carriers. There are circumstances under which they are allow
66 MAH4546 : In terms of per-passenger, undoubtedly. The local market is far too small, however, to make put it anywhere near the top in terms of total profit.
67 Jetlanta : On a margin basis, it probably is near the top. Part of the reason the local market is so small, is that the fares have more than doubled over the pa
68 Pliersinsight : Add PIT to that list in a few years with the government backed PIT-CDG route.
69 Panamair : DL had JFK-BUD initially after the Pan Am route acquisition in 1991/92; DL also had BUD service on its own from ATL (can't remember the timeframe, wh
70 2travel2know : I agree, DL should be printing money on the JFK-GEO route.
71 MAH4546 : The fares are ridiculously high on that route, especially since AA pulled out in '05 or so.
72 Lexy : AA to ATL from BNA? I think you may be mistaken.
73 MAH4546 : Absolutely not mistaken. 3x daily until around 2005.
74 Jetlanta : Yep. All that is left of the local O&D is non-discretionary corporate traffic.
75 CHRISBA777ER : Well we know its not SYD, thats for sure.
76 OA412 : Indeed. And if I'm not mistaken the flight was routed ATL-VIE-BUD.
77 Lexy : WOW! Intresting. What an odd route, but now that I think about it. Wasn't it part of the AT&T (Bellsouth) contract at the time? My apologies for nor
78 Viscount724 : Can't they use codeshares operated by a foreign carrier but booked under the US carrier flight number? I thought they could but may be wrong.
79 EMB170 : Varied. Half the time on the 763ER (the first time DL flew it as DL 146/147) it was a tag-on from VIE; the other half on the L1011-500 as a tag on fr
80 United1 : Absolutely they can in fact LAX-SYD the preferred airlines is AA (QF codeshare.) UA has the "contract" for SFO-SYD.
81 Bobnwa : Please explain what a "money maker in JFK" is. The term doesn't ring a bell with me.
82 OA412 : I'm not the person you're quoting but I think they just worded it poorly. I think they meant to say that "I have been told that the money makers at J
83 MAH4546 : Yes, it had the BellSouth contract which kept the route alive.
84 Brilondon : This does not mean it is profitable just because the flights are full. DL is not a charity, it is a business. I am sick and tired of people thinking
85 Pqdtw : The EWR-AMS flight has been in service since 1997 !!! It started on April 1, 1997 as NW 58/57. Northwest operated the flight until 2000, then it went
86 MSYtristar : Operated by Corporate Express J31's at one point, IIRC. Were they SF3's at the end?
87 Hardiwv : What about ATL-GRU, it surely must be among the top10 intercontinental routes. EWR-AMS is not doing badly by no means. It is currently upgraded to dai
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