Spantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 270 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
As you probably know, FR is already the second airline in Spain. In 2008 Iberia totaled 33 million passengers to/from Spain, followed by Spanair (18 million), Air Europa (15) and FR (14.8). But on the first quarter of 2009 all first three lost passengers but FR, who growth a further 11%. Thus, according to MOL, Ryanair will be the first "Spanish" airline not latter than 2012 (source: El PaÃs, 4.5.2009 and other Spanish newspapers).
Thus, your thoughts about this? Personnally I am surprised that FR is not the first one yet as there is a big margin for growth, even in the middle of this financial crisis and the fact of not depending too much from Madrid compensates somehow the big pressure that the AVE (High-speed train) is putting on IB. I am thinking in intraspanish routes (Málaga-Santiago, Sevilla-Palma de Mallorca, Santander-Málaga...) and european ones (Madrid-East Europe, for instance; btw: does anybody knows what happened to the announced Santiago-Charleroi one? Is just a question of not having enough planes?)
EXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
I think that FR could do with offering more destinations like VLL or even up in new cities with very low service, like SLM or LEN which lost a load of service with the demise of Lagunair. CQM is also a possibility.
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UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2296 times:
Quoting Spantax (Thread starter): In 2008 Iberia totaled 33 million passengers to/from Spain, followed by Spanair (18 million), Air Europa (15) and FR (14.8).
Quoting Spantax (Thread starter): Personnally I am surprised that FR is not the first one yet
Although IB have lost pax and FR have grown 11%, there is still long way to go for FR to surpass IB.
OTOH, I think IB target have nothing to do with FR target as IB is more and more targeting LatAm-Europe market, so comparing pax figures is not fair at all.....
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2288 times:
Quoting Spantax (Thread starter): Thus, according to MOL, Ryanair will be the first "Spanish" airline not latter than 2012 (source: El PaÃs, 4.5.2009 and other Spanish newspapers).
Just in Spain? I thought that in the world of MOL, Ryanair will eventually be the first airline in every country in Europe and then will conquer the world. Eventually, Ryanair will be the only airline in the world and we will all bow at his feet in gratitude.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11113 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2158 times:
When they sell seats for €2.50 all in, and still bring home a balance on the books, then it's no wonder the pax numbers are rising. I used to find intra Spanish travel very cheap, now it's much more expensive.
I just wish FR would announce MAH - it's been said by the tourism minister that they will soon start a service, but where and when has yet to be seen.
Spantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 270 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 1): like SLM or LEN which lost a load of service with the demise of Lagunair.
Salamanca (SLM) is too small a city (150,000 inhabitants) and too close to Valladolid (VLL) and even Madrid.
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 2): IB is more and more targeting LatAm-Europe market
Yes, agree. And losing pax on its domestic market...
Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3): Ryanair will eventually be the first airline in every country in Europe and then will conquer the world.
Europe: quite possible. They could open a dozen new bases around Europe and hundreds of new routes and all of them would be profitable. There is a big scope, for instance, for routes between Eastern European cities. The world: Who knows? If one day MOL decides to go transatlantic it could play havoc with legacies...
Quoting IcLCY (Reply 4): Sad to see a 're-newed' airport sitting there doing nothing. Plus Burgos is a nice city as is the countryside around it.
Would FR do a 'bulk' deal with AENA?
Agree totally about Burgos and its countryside, but once again, too close to VLL, Vitoria or even Madrid. It's, as so many things in Spain, lack of planification. Too many airports. But this is a good thing for FR, that this way can bargain with all kind of decision makers (regional ministers, provincial managers, town majors, ...). But not only FR. Easyjet has got grants/aids/whatever you call it, for instance, for setting up a route Coruña-Madrid. Thus, I think FR is not interested in a 'bulk' deal with AENA.
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5): I used to find intra Spanish travel very cheap, now it's much more expensive
Me too. Specially IB and Spanair, not to speak about Air Berlin.
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