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User currently offlineCOGlobetrotter From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

In Continental's latest press release, "Continental Airlines to Celebrate 75th Anniversary; Takes Delivery of Commemorative Aircraft", there is mention of flat-bed installation to begin this year.

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Other firsts being initiated in Continental's 75th anniversary year are the introduction of DIRECTV(R) service, installation of flat-bed seats in BusinessFirst, and service to Shanghai.

Originally it was planned that 2 777’s that were to be delivered in September of this year were to come from Boeing with them installed already. Continental has deferred deliver of those jets until 2010, so my question is what is the new installation schedule? Will the 777’s still receive them before the 757’s? Thanks in advance for any insight!

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User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7256 times:

I don't remember the exact dates--or wording, but as recently as Friday, Larry said they were coming very soon. I seem to recall "August" or "This Fall". Anyway, it won't be long.

User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7250 times:



Quoting COGlobetrotter (Thread starter):
Will the 777’s still receive them before the 757’s? Thanks in advance for any insight!

The most discussed order in which the fleet will get the new BF seats are 772, 752, and 764 with the 787s getting once they finally come online. Again, the future of 762 is unknown. If they are to stick around, I heard they would get the BF seats currently used on the 772 and 752 since the new seat could not quite fit while maintaining the same number of seats.



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User currently offlineCOGlobeTrotter From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Thanks for the info guys!

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

I'd prefer the 777 or 752 seat to the 762 seat any day, so it'll be interesting to see how they proceed.

I wonder if they would start pulling the 777 seats off and installing them on all 767s, even the 764s, in the interim, including AVOD, then when the time finally comes, put the lie-flats on the 764s. Or would they simply let the 764s sit with the old seats for 2-3 years.



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

I thought the new seats were already on some 777s? Aren't they?

User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6771 times:



Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 5):
I thought the new seats were already on some 777s? Aren't they?

Nope. The 2 new ones that's to enter the fleet will be delivered with the new seats. I can only guess that they will start the upgrade during the Winter schedule when the 772s will have some wiggle room when some flights will be downguaged. I'm not sure if I heard it or read it but the goal to have at least the 772s and 752s completed by 4thQ 2011/1st Q 2012.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
I wonder if they would start pulling the 777 seats off and installing them on all 767s, even the 764s, in the interim, including AVOD, then when the time finally comes, put the lie-flats on the 764s. Or would they simply let the 764s sit with the old seats for 2-3 years.

Again I don't know if I heard it or read it but I believe AVOD on the 764 will be put in throughout the plane at the same time they get the new BF seat. Not sure if they will do the interim. Also, with the continued delays with the 787s, maybe the 762s may get upgraded as well.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6607 times:



Quoting Copter808 (Reply 1):

I don't remember the exact dates--or wording, but as recently as Friday, Larry said they were coming very soon. I seem to recall "August" or "This Fall". Anyway, it won't be long.

I seem to remember "September" myself, but what's a month or two?  Smile

I don't remember when the 752's are to be retrofitted, but when they are, I'll definitely check them out when they're in CLE for the LHR service.


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Does anyone have a photo or diagram of the new seat design? Will it be the exact same bed that's installed in all fleet types?

User currently offlineCOGlobeTrotter From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4981 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 8):
Does anyone have a photo or diagram of the new seat design?

http://magazine.continental.com/200808-new-luxury-seat-special-section


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2614 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

More links to photos.
http://blogs.chron.com/continental/2...tinental_introduces_new_bus_1.html
http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000...ntals-flat-seat-business-decision/
http://images.google.com/images?oe=u...lt_group&ct=title&resnum=661352257
The seats are slightly angled toward the windows, so that it provide 6.5 feet bed while staying with current 55 inch pitch. The bed goes out between or to the left/right of the row ahead. The seats are 25 inches wide.
The 757 is to have a lie-flat bed of 6'4".
They look like a much better use of space vs. some other lie-flat beds which can only go four across on a 777.
Taking a quick look at Seat Guru, it looks like the CO lie-flat bed will be the only such seat on a narrow-body.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3838 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 2):
Again, the future of 762 is unknown. If they are to stick around, I heard they would get the BF seats currently used on the 772 and 752 since the new seat could not quite fit while maintaining the same number of seats.

If it fits on the 764, why wouldn't it fit on the 762? Does it have something to do with not wanting to reduce the number of Y seats?

-Mir



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3691 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 8):
Does anyone have a photo or diagram of the new seat design? Will it be the exact same bed that's installed in all fleet types?

Here's yours truly testing out the new seat

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/AznMadSci/CODOIV/ContinentalDOIV189.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/AznMadSci/CODOIV/ContinentalDOIV228.jpg

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
If it fits on the 764, why wouldn't it fit on the 762? Does it have something to do with not wanting to reduce the number of Y seats?

Probably, which would eliminate the mini Y cabin. As shown in the picture, these seats are bit staggered.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3610 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 12):
Here's yours truly testing out the new seat

It looks almost precisely the same as the United C class product. Not bad at all.

NS


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):

It looks almost precisely the same as the United C class product. Not bad at all.

For the most part it's pretty cool, and it will come with the feature that whatever is on your iPod/iPhone, you can list and watch programs saved on those devices. The small details like the subtle staggering, the rather low height of the bed, and the rather narrow foot space in bed mode were the minor points I thought as quasi-negatives. Once these are introduced to the fleet, I'll revisit these especially in flight.

With this new seat, the 764 will still maintain the 2-1-2 layout; just imagine the other seat not there.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3398 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
I'd prefer the 777 or 752 seat to the 762 seat any day, so it'll be interesting to see how they proceed.

Currently the 767s have different BF seats than the 777 and 752? Which are nicer?

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 6):
I'm not sure if I heard it or read it but the goal to have at least the 772s and 752s completed by 4thQ 2011/1st Q 2012.

That's a long while away, especially for the 764s which will presumably be later than that.

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 6):

Again I don't know if I heard it or read it but I believe AVOD on the 764 will be put in throughout the plane at the same time they get the new BF seat.

Do the 764s (and 762s) have PTVs now? All the 777s have AVOD in both cabins correct? What about the 752s?

Quoting COGlobetrotter (Thread starter):
year are the introduction of DIRECTV(R) service,

What aircraft are these going on, and what is the timeline?


User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
I seem to remember "September" myself, but what's a month or two?

OK, you may be more correct. I presume you were listening to Larry's remarks on Friday.

I was one of the lucky souls who arrived on CO1934.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):

Currently the 767s have different BF seats than the 777 and 752? Which are nicer?

Yes, the 762s/764s have the older BF seats while the 772s and 752s have the angled flat seat. Surprisingly I have yet to try the angled flat seat while having enjoyed the older BF seat, especially the middle section on the 762s and 764s.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
That's a long while away, especially for the 764s which will presumably be later than that.

Remember there's less flexibility in the widebody fleet. The process may go faster since all they are doing is changing out the BF seats.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
Do the 764s (and 762s) have PTVs now? All the 777s have AVOD in both cabins correct? What about the 752s?

Yes, the 762s and 764s have had PTVs since they were introduced to the CO fleet, yet they are not AVOD. The AVOD installation has been completed for the 752s and should be on the 772 since they were working on the last plane a few months ago.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
What aircraft are these going on, and what is the timeline?

LiveTV (by DirecTV) will be installed in the 73NGs, 738s, 739s, 739ERs, and 753. More can be found in the following thread: Update CO Acft #413 And LiveTV3



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