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New Zealand Aviation Thread #59  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15368 times:
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Welcome to the #59th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #58 New Zealand Aviation Thread #58 (by 777ER Jun 16 2009 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- NZs passenger loads down 10%
- JQ's poor attitudes and changing schedules by between 5mins - 2hours
- NZ operating B733s on AKL-OOL routes recently
- Some nice routes for a B733 to operate
- Pacific Blue issues on-time challange to NZ and JQ
- JQ and ZQN
- Wellington's Airport Flyer bus service
- PacBlues new AKL-DUD service
- NZ hands JQs screwed pax a life line
- NZs wide body fleet
- A memorial web-site for TE901 Erebus
- Are NZ ripping off regional destinations?
- NZs new B733 safety video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mq9HAE62Y
- NZ increases Tasman flights from ZQN and launches summer ZQN-BNE flights
- Is the 1900D the best aircraft for our smallest regional markets?
- ZQN sees increse in number of direct ZQN-Australia passengers on NZ and QF flights

Thats #58's round up, so lets get #59 rolling down the runway

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15366 times:
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Air NZ may sue Qantas - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...nies/2548551/Air-NZ-may-sue-Qantas

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15346 times:
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Australian visiters in ZQN are up 160% compared to this time last year with Australians making up 60% of skiiers at Coronet Peak http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-t-stay-away-from-Queenstown-snow/

User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15311 times:

Responding to VirginFlyer in the previous thread.

The February 1997 Ansett New Zealand Timetable had the following;
AKL-WLG, WLG-AKL (146) x 16
AKL-CHC, CHC-AKL (146) x 8
WLG-CHC, CHC-WLG (146) x 8, (DH8) x 1
WLG-DUD, DUD-WLG (146) x 1
CHC-DUD, DUD-CHC (146) x 3
CHC-ZQN, ZQN-CHC (146) x 3
CHC-IVC (DH8) x 3, IVC-CHC (DH8) x 2, IVC-DUD-CHC (DH8) x 1
AKL-ROT, ROT-AKL (146) x 1
ROT-CHC, CHC-ROT (146) x 1
ROT-WLG, WLG-ROT (DH8) x 3
AKL-PMR, PMR-AKL (DH8) x 3
PMR-CHC, CHC-PMR (DH8) x 1
HLZ-WLG, WLG-HLZ (DH8) x 3
WLG-PMR, PMR-WLG (EMB) x 4
WLG-NSN, NSN-WLG (DH8) x 1, (EMB) 10/11
WLG-BHE, BHE-WLG (EMB) x 6/7

The 146-300 had 90/92 seats, the DHC8-100 40 seats and the Bandeirante 15 seats.

PA515


User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15303 times:

Regarding the 'outrageous' $900 GIS-CHC-GIS fare.
The April 1997 Air NZ Timetable has the oneway GIS-CHC 'Adult Economy' at $355 (or $710 return). Adding 2% a year compounded comes to $900. No change.

PA515


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15287 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):

Wow, thats a very excellent route network. I had totally forgotten that AN operated EMBs. Hopfully DJ will operate some extensive network like that with the Ejets that are hopefully getting


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15256 times:

How are long haul carriers like MH and TG performing on their AKL sectors in the current environment?

Both these carriers are down to 4pw, and the likelihood of going back to trans tasman tags is low, due to intense LCC competition.

what are their loads like?


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15219 times:



Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):
The February 1997 Ansett New Zealand Timetable had the following;
AKL-WLG, WLG-AKL (146) x 16
AKL-CHC, CHC-AKL (146) x 8
WLG-CHC, CHC-WLG (146) x 8, (DH8) x 1
WLG-DUD, DUD-WLG (146) x 1
CHC-DUD, DUD-CHC (146) x 3
CHC-ZQN, ZQN-CHC (146) x 3
CHC-IVC (DH8) x 3, IVC-CHC (DH8) x 2, IVC-DUD-CHC (DH8) x 1
AKL-ROT, ROT-AKL (146) x 1
ROT-CHC, CHC-ROT (146) x 1
ROT-WLG, WLG-ROT (DH8) x 3
AKL-PMR, PMR-AKL (DH8) x 3
PMR-CHC, CHC-PMR (DH8) x 1
HLZ-WLG, WLG-HLZ (DH8) x 3
WLG-PMR, PMR-WLG (EMB) x 4
WLG-NSN, NSN-WLG (DH8) x 1, (EMB) 10/11
WLG-BHE, BHE-WLG (EMB) x 6/7

That's an amazingly comprehensive schedule. i think ansett only made a profit in two of its years of operation, though. Still, man if only! Even if you only take the main trunk routes with DUD and ZQN thrown in, current secondary operators (PacBlue and JQ) haven't got a chance of ever matching that! I guess that's the age of 180-pax jets for you.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15000 times:

Interesting tidbit in the weekly Australian Aviation Express newsletter:

Quote:
Former Ansett-Air New Zealand Group CEO Gary Toomey has been appointed CEO of Airlines PNG.

V/F



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14857 times:
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Jetstaar left high and dry - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opin.../2551663/Jetstar-left-high-and-dry Theres a comment at the end of that story in the 'comment' section and a reader posted this "Fly Jetstar and get a taste of screw-by-roo"

Air NZ looses charges appeal - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...550625/Air-NZ-loses-charges-appeal


User currently offlineQF45 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14842 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Jetstaar left high and dry - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opin.../2551663/Jetstar-left-high-and-dry Theres a comment at the end of that story in the 'comment' section and a reader posted this "Fly Jetstar and get a taste of screw-by-roo"

There are some interesting comments in there made by the public, and some funny ones. I think it has been mentioned in the New Zealand forums before but these people are paying next to nothing for these fares and are expecting the world. Definatly a case of "You get what you pay for".

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Air NZ looses charges appeal - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ppeal

Does that mean WLG can kiss goodbye any Air NZ long hauls in the future  cheeky 


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14803 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):

Taken from the article:

Quote:
Jetstar responded to its early difficulties. Media reports say the airline is now offering compensation vouchers to inconvenienced travellers

For my friend, this included a Sumo Salad voucher in AKL worth $10 for an 8 hour delay. He's not flying Jetstar anymore. I didn't know that they were bringing non-RNP planes to serve. I reckon my $10 flight to ZQN in December could be fun if I had the same weather as last year! It might just include a nice bus trip to Christchurch. They still have massive problems. "Technical glitch" in ZQN meant that my flight to WLG was delayed by over 1.5 hours. Then the jetbridge in Wellington failed on us, adding another 15 or so minutes onto sitting on the rather shabby A320. That's one first experience people shouldn't have to have if JQ want them to fly on them again.



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User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14793 times:

Look out for an announcement soon: PacificBlue AKL ZQN AKL seems to be on the cards...

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14773 times:

Thing about all these bad Jetstar experiences, is that they are not teething problems. Jetstar did the hard ball act on passengers to late for the check in deadline when they started their Australian operations. They have not learned from their start in Australia. Maybe they need to say in big letters on the Booking Confirmation - "we are serious about the check in deadline"

If they use Web check in, that will save one bit of queuing at the airport. If passengers do use the Cabin Baggage discount, that is another bit of queuing saved (to drop your bag) and of course, no waiting around to collect the bag when you arrive.

I don't want Jetstar to pack up and leave - we do want the lower air fares. They have given themselves a hard task. Schedule reliability is hard with only three planes available. That should not be the passengers' problem. A $10 Sumo Salad voucher is better than the $7 voucher I got from Freedom at Sydney Airport when we had a four hour delay.


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14767 times:



Quoting DJ738 (Reply 12):
Look out for an announcement soon: PacificBlue AKL ZQN AKL seems to be on the cards...

There doesn't seem to room for this in their new domestic schedule with only 2 planes. Jungle jet route maybe??? Fingers crossed



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14745 times:
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Quoting QF45 (Reply 10):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Air NZ looses charges appeal - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ppeal

Does that mean WLG can kiss goodbye any Air NZ long hauls in the future

WLG has aparantly NEVER had any chance with NZ anyway due to their fears about AKL flights loosing pax.

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 12):

Would WLG be on the cards sometime? I'm very surprised NZ is still the only airline flying WLG-ZQN


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14737 times:

I had my own "JetStar Experience" over the weekend - very similar to others'. Five and a half hour delay heading AKL-WLG on Saturday (partly fog, partly because JQ didn't have the wherewithal to change a tyre promptly), and nearly two hours delay back from WLG last night.

What got me was the appalling lack of information - or contradictory information - provided. If JQ were prepared to update the public displays with more accurate information, they wouldn't have to have so many people on the ground answering the same enquiry about "what time will my plane really leave". But my "5.10pm" AKL-WLG flight still showed an ETD of 5.10pm several hours AFTER that time.

A little bit of amusement, though: I asked a JQ rep dealing with enquiries on the check-in level what the situation with my flight was, and she told me that the aircraft about to depart would have to do a return trip to WLG before it would be available to do my flight. Oh, I said, so that means about three hours from now? No, I was assured, only two hours. But surely, I replied, an hour each way, plus half an hour turnaround each time, made three hours minimum? Oh no, I was assured, we can turn the plane in five minutes if we're pushed! Yeah, right!

The other "difference" was when we arrived in WLG, and several pax started getting luggage out of the overhead lockers before the plane had completely stopped. Most carriers I've been on will have the FA do a polite announcement on the PA system requesting pax to remain seated until the plane has stopped. Not JQ. The male FA aggressively bellowed down the plane telling pax to sit down, not once but several times. I thought there was some kind of dire emergency until I realised what was being said! I thought that could have been handled a bit more professionally.



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User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14716 times:



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 14):
Jungle jet route maybe???

It's not that thin a route though.. And we hope they have RNP too. It'd be a complete disaster if they didn't.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 16):
and nearly two hours delay back from WLG last night.

In that case I think you got the same aircraft as me! VH-VQS.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 16):
What got me was the appalling lack of information - or contradictory information - provided. If JQ were prepared to update the public displays with more accurate information, they wouldn't have to have so many people on the ground answering the same enquiry about "what time will my plane really leave". But my "5.10pm" AKL-WLG flight still showed an ETD of 5.10pm several hours AFTER that time.

Same problem here. Funny thing - they closed check in 30 mins prior to the scheduled departure time which seems uncalled for as the plane was so delayed. I went up to the carpark for some spotting and heard over the PA system about how the check in was now closed but the flight was going to depart at 2:30. We didn't board till 2:50. The ETA of the arriving aircraft also stayed still at 1400. You'd think that things could be communicated a bit better to keep people informed.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5195 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14712 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 17):
they closed check in 30 mins prior to the scheduled departure time which seems uncalled for as the plane was so delayed.

That is pretty standard with delayed ops. Check in will close at the scheduled time.


User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14679 times:



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 14):
Quoting DJ738 (Reply 12):
Look out for an announcement soon: PacificBlue AKL ZQN AKL seems to be on the cards...

There doesn't seem to room for this in their new domestic schedule with only 2 planes. Jungle jet route maybe??? Fingers crossed

The locked thread "No More V Australia Plans From MEL" included this;

OzTech, Reply 56, posted Sun Jun 14 2009 18:29:49
Quoting Mariner (Reply 53)
They also speculate that Pacific Blue will end NZ domestic

Not a hope in hells chance .. We are ramping up NZ Domestic with 2 more 737NG and 2 Emb a/c ..


Perhaps this was the intention, but the plans have changed. Seems to be some conflicting information regarding DJ's domestic operations.

PA515


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14679 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 18):

Well it's not the case with NZ domestic that I know of..



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14625 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 18):

I've experienced the opposite with PacBlue here. I've had many flights with PacBlue since 2007 and I've seen them keep their check-in open longer if a flights delayed


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5195 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14599 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
I've experienced the opposite with PacBlue here. I've had many flights with PacBlue since 2007 and I've seen them keep their check-in open longer if a flights delayed

Must be a New Zealand thing as that is certainly not the policy here in Aus with Pac Blue.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14533 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 22):

Well II suppose international flights are different due to Customs and secuirty.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14487 times:
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Looks like airfares to/from and in New Zealand will increase thanks to the CAA as they are moving into a brand new building shortly with massive rents (over 1.9million per year) on the corner of Featherston and Bunny Street in Wellington (directly opposite the Wellington Railway Station). The CAAs CEO's reason is because its a stone throws from the Beehive and other important people and he believes the New Zealand public will support paying more for its new building because of the important work the CAA does in keeping us safe.

SOURCE: One News


25 ZKSUJ : Im stumped. How would the CAA moving increase airfares? They aint an airline :-S
26 Knid : Where were they before this, and how much rent was paid previously? Were the previous accommodations unfit or not renewable? They impose levies and f
27 ZKSUJ : Oh ok. Still stumps me but I guess weirder things have happened... Was just reading the opinions page thing on Stuff that 777ER shared the link to reg
28 777ER : Because of the fees the CAA charges the airlines They are currently in Petone (15mins drive north of the beehive) and they own the building. Apparant
29 Zkpilot : Pretty standard on most airlines for several reasons. The main one being that the plane can stop suddenly anytime injuring not only the idiot standin
30 DavidByrne : Interesting - never experienced it before.
31 Post contains links VirginFlyer : You know, you could always look at the converse of that - passengers in Australia have become a lot more accepting of Jetstar's practices and know ho
32 NZ107 : But IMO they'll be severely hampered by their non-RNP A320s. JQ sent their 13th and 14th A320s to serve in New Zealand - unsurprisingly tatty I must
33 QF45 : That makes sense. The comments I have heard about the interiors of their aircraft I must say I was surprised. I have flown Jetstar dozens of time acr
34 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : Pacific Blue Rejigs Flight Plan Things are beginning to heat up. Another 737NG I would imagine
35 Alangirvan : I think AKL-DUD in a 738 will be a bit harder for Pacific Blue to bring off than the one stop through CHC. The non stop works for AirNZ because it giv
36 Koruman : People on this board seem to be so pre-occupied by Jetstar domestic that they haven't noticed that Jetstar International has put off its massive 787 o
37 MillwallSean : I can partially agree with statement one. However I never saw a businesscase for flights to ethnic destinations in Europe. Europe is to far away, the
38 ANstar : Jetstar will STILL be receiving the QF groups first 787's in 2013. I wouldnt be calling JQ international a failure - more over that the QF group need
39 Aerokiwi : I pointed that out in reply 155 of the last thread... "Meanwhile... Qantas's deferment and cancellation of a chunk of its 787s bodes well for NZ, in
40 NZ107 : With their reputation so dented, it'll take a lot to turn it around IMO. They should have started on a high note as they were replacing an already un
41 Koruman : I think that Qantas will retain the cost-base, but they'll brand it as Qantas. For exactly the same reasons that Song and Ted and Freedom are now Del
42 Koruman : The other issue that doesn't seem to be getting much attention on this thread is that Koruhub at Hong Kong is now proceeding! Unfortunately, it's not
43 TG992 : Regular Air NZ frequent fliers and ex-employees may wish to know that Steve I., who I believe was the #3 seniority flight attendant at Air NZ, passed
44 777ER : I remember reading in the last thread about a Tui sign highlighting JQs stuff ups on the Auckland motorway. Could someone get a picture of the Tui sig
45 Alangirvan : One of the reasons people in this thread are pre occupied by NZ domestic operations by Jetstar is that this is the NZ thread. The cancellation of 787
46 TheCommodore : Sorry but this question may have already been asked before. I read an article in the NZ Herald that the PM john Keys was delayed in Queenstown after o
47 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : no , IMHO , they are spending taxpayers money so they should go with whichever option is most cost-effective* * please note that I did not say 'cheap
48 Post contains links Mariner : Hmmmmm? http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=254406 DUBAI: Morgan Stanley expects the UAE economy to contract two per cent in 2009
49 NZ107 : I think it's more of a case of not paying too much to make the taxpayer get angry about his spending. In another article today, it told how $90,000 w
50 TG992 : I dunno.. despite those who decry politicians at every opportunity and the tall poppy syndrome that seeks to remind them at every shrill opportunity
51 NZ107 : Fair enough. But needless to say that there are plenty in this country who would strongly oppose this sort of behaviour! I would think that F tickets
52 ZK-NBT : I to would like to know how these 2 are going. I'd say TG are probably harder hit, but for them they used to use an A346 daily which while the wrong
53 TheCommodore : The government is already supporting Air NZ by being the major shareholder. It makes little sense to bail out an airline, only to support another one
54 TheCommodore : In terms of earlier opposition to the Prime Minister travelling First Class, I see no problem. If we all accept that First Class affords a greater lev
55 Knid : To accuse the Jetstar model of been a failure is difficult, it is clear that the economy is been driven by fear, and this puts many businesses at ris
56 DavidByrne : I flew AKL-ZQN a few months ago on an NZ A320, and we were in cloud almost all the way from AKL. Arriving at ZQN, we came out of the cloud as we turn
57 Aerokiwi : Wasn't this a private trip? As in, NOT on government business. While I think the Dubai economy is a lot weaker than acknowledged, I don't believe Kor
58 ZKOJH : Air NZ Shanghai reductions in Aug/Sep 09 As per GDS timetable display on 01JUL09, Air New Zealand is reducing 3 weekly Auckland - Shanghai service fro
59 Koruman : I don't think that Mariner's article is at odds with my assertion. The UAE might do OK because the other Emirates have oil, but at the moment Dubai i
60 Post contains links Mariner : Sorry, but "hmmmmm?" again: http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/...5e0bb8c4049a898c55ac158a48718.aspx "Emirates to post profit while industry suffers
61 Koruman : I wasn't referring to the short-term fortunes of Emirates the airline. I was referring to the article's assertion that those parts of the UAE with oi
62 Mariner : I have no ability to predict the long-term future of anything and I am always wary of any such predictions. You think Emirates is starting to look li
63 Koruman : I vividly remember times in the past when Gulf Air and Aeroflot carried much of the through traffic which Emirates does now. Just as no-one wanted to
64 Mariner : I like Dubai, I like going there. With some obvious exceptions, the Middle East is not all "frightening" to me and although yes, it can be hot, it go
65 FlyPacificBlue : Correct. If the flight is delayed, check-in can remain open and we may accept LMC's at the supervisors/Load controllers discression. Generally it can
66 Post contains images TG992 : WLG - ZQN is designed largely to pick up central North Island traffic for example NPE, ROT, HLZ, TRG – ZQN Traffic, taking them over WLG in place o
67 Aerokiwi : What does "LMC" stand for? I flew standby a few weeks back and was confirmed 30 mins before departure. Didn't realise the new Pier B gates were so ve
68 NZ107 : Definitely without RNP first of all, and they'd have to get their frequencies right on other flights before attempting WLG-ZQN. IMO it's just not wor
69 DJ738 : Last Minute Change - in this context, a manual ammendment to a load sheet, eg. if a traveller no-shows and they must be removed from the aircraft and
70 Aerokiwi : Haha, good call. but the online Maori dictionary suggests "tawhiti", so I hereby christen Pier B at Auckland International Airport, "Tawhiti" - Polde
71 VirginFlyer : I always thought it was "Invercargill" Last time I was in Auckland, I thought I'd have plenty of time before my flight was due to board to have a wan
72 NZ107 : Is this also going to use the technology of the locator beacons so that the control tower knows where the plane is? Interesting use of technology - I
73 777ER : Whats NZ cut off time for both domestic and international?. Thanks for the Jetstar pic. I find this interesting also because the ATRs, Q300s and 1900
74 Post contains links VirginFlyer : I *think* you might be thinking of ADS-B, in which case, no I don't think that is what is being referred to. From DJ738's description, they're talkin
75 Post contains links 777ER : Tonight on TV1 at 7pm is a Jetstar special using three reporters which could be interesting. Construction at CHC this morning caused mayhem - especial
76 Pewpew320 : Don't suppose someone can record it? I'd be interested in watching it but TVNZ on demand doesn't work in Australia :/
77 FlyPacificBlue : Last Minute Change. As DJ738 mentioned it is when changes are required to be made to the load sheet as a result of accepting guests after close out.
78 Post contains links NZ107 : Hahahaha ok, thanks for the info! Check it out here instead: http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up Lucky that they chose a fine day for travelling into ZQN. Wou
79 Zkpilot : hahahaha LMAO thats classic They haven't handled their launch properly in terms of informing people how they operate... that said for a LCC they HAVE
80 NZ107 : I guess people have just expected it to be like any other carrier serving this country domestically. And I also wonder how this will affect other fli
81 Cchan : People can also be late because of circumstances beyond their control, or unexpected delays on the way to the airport. From reading the discussion he
82 777ER : Also would be wise to avoid JQ if your flying from AKL as you can't trust AKLs traffic jams
83 Post contains links 777ER : Police called to JQs CHC check-in desks - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2565...15/Jetstar-delays-anger-passengers
84 Post contains links Mariner : I'm surprised to see that JetStar CEO Buchanan is now accusing Air NZ of a "dirty tricks" campaign against his airline. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/
85 DavidByrne : JQ's schedule and frequency does not make it at all attractive to business customers, and with so aircraft in the fleet it can't hope to attract them
86 777ER : JQ has got no one else but itself to blame for all their problems and JQs CEO comments sounds like words from a desperate man who is keen on impressi
87 Zkpilot : So they need to be organised and allow themselves enough time for such circumstances. I have flown from and worked from/at AKL airport for many years
88 Cchan : Theoretically yes, but a lot of times people are held up in unforeseen circumstances, and say, if you have a meeting before you fly and the meeting r
89 DavidByrne : The JQ check-in issue is just a sideshow - people will get used to that and will accept that these are the rules that a LCC runs by - I have no doubt.
90 ANstar : What about Ryanai - they aren;t exactly known for being a caring airline.... nor Tiger here in Australia...
91 777ER : What about Pacific Blue then? They run on a more better check-in time and still managed to get their flights out of time 87% of the time for June
92 ZKSUJ : 'More Better'. I love your england language Jase
93 Mariner : I have a similar impression. The Jetstar hoo-haa has mostly washed over me - they don't fly to WRE - but it has become almost impossible to avoid. To
94 DavidByrne : Let me pose the question this way, acknowledging that airlines like Ryanair and Tiger don't have a "caring" image: Will any airline do better or wors
95 Zkpilot : Well if you are a businessman JQ really isn't the airline for you... JQ is a LCC designed primarily for people just wanting to get from A-B in the ch
96 Post contains links NZ107 : Surprised no one has mentioned anything about the Trilander's engine coming loose.. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/prop...-breaks-free-during-flight-
97 Aerokiwi : Before I moved to Wellington, I passionately LOVED in Auckland about 30 mins from the airport Well, I tried, at least. Except none of this is happeni
98 PurpleBox : " target=_blank>http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/prop...30855 And to think that I was going to book for my trip over in December - looks nasty. Purple
99 Zkpilot : hahaha oops "live" Yes but NZ and DJ are advertising as being full service. JQ is advertising and positioning as a LCC. Thats how LCC operate all aro
100 Cchan : Regardless of whether they are full service or LCC, they should treat their customers with respect. This is just rude, and this attitude won't take o
101 Post contains links Mariner : They are one of the most continuously profitable airlines in the world and their CEO, the colourful and loud mouth Michael O'Leary, is one of the mos
102 777ER : Returned from CHC today from a day trip and had B733s both ways. The new safety add got around 90% of the pax on the flight down watching it and aroun
103 TN486 : Spot on DavidByrne. JQ had a lot of "teething problems" when they commenced in Australia, mostly caused by what the flying public expected from an Au
104 Flyjetstar : How so? When was the last time you saw an ad for NZ and especially DJ that indicated that. I think the traveling public in NZ are we aware that no ai
105 Koruman : I beg to differ. In Australia, Qantas kept the City Flyer routes between the largest cities and just put Jetstar on predominantly leisure routes. In
106 Zkpilot : Air NZ "We've got nothing to hide"... sound familiar?? Full service does not just relate to whats onboard... it also relates to things like ticketing
107 Cchan : We haven't reached the end of the story yet. When they impose more of these ruthless things (i.e. overdoing it), then the negative effects maybe more
108 Post contains links TG992 : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10583122 Eak!
109 Aerokiwi : The deciding factor will be schedule reliability - that's what killed Qantas on domestic and if JQ don't get their act to gether, it'll kill them too
110 Mariner : I can't predict the future. Many insist that Ryanair has "overdone it" already, but there is no sign of that in their pax numbers. Ryanair has been d
111 Post contains links 777ER : Heres a good travel feature on NZ, DJ and JQ http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...avellers-the-winners-in-air-battle
112 DavidByrne : Wish they'd stop using that stock photo of a JQ 717! Seems to pop up regularly in the newspapers, but has absolutely no relevance!
113 777ER : Those B717s would have been perfect for the New Zealand domestic market for both the main trunk and regional routes to HLZ, DUD, ZQN, PMR and ROT
114 Cchan : I don't really understand what was the problem with all those Jetconnect delays. There is a LCC called 1 Time here in South Africa, despite operating
115 Mariner : I doubt the pay toilet deal will ever fly, but the point is that other airlines have adopted much of the Ryannair model - such as Air Asia. mariner
116 ANstar : Like peeing in sickbags or in the galley
117 777ER : QF have sold some B717s so those sold ones could have been used. If either QF/JQ or DJ operated them here then it would have enabled a faster expansi
118 777ER : Did anyone notice the full page add JQ had in the Dominion Post (and possibly other major papers) today? After reading the add, it totally sounded lik
119 Post contains links NZ107 : It was also in the NZ Herald today. Yeah it felt similar in my view too. Jetstar Apologises to NZ Passengers For Poor Service This link is also regar
120 Post contains links 777ER : More JQ news http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/jets...rst-week-turbulence-behind-2835958
121 Alangirvan : news that Ryanair is planning to replace seats with stool type seating. If they do introduce pay as go toilets, will people leave their stools outsit
122 QF45 : Jetstar have admitted fault, apologised and are working towards reversing what has happened since their start up. It seems though New Zealanders in ge
123 Kdm : Anyone have any idea who the dignitary was on today's 5:30pm ANZ flight from Wellington to Auckland. They kept us on the plane while he took the steps
124 CHCalfonzo : Could have been the governer general maybe? I saw him board an NZ 737 in CHC once. A crown BMW drove him to the plane accompanied by several people i
125 Kiwiandrew : but not as much as Jetstar themselves have fueled it with some really amateurish PR - so far we have had them blame the competition , blame the pax a
126 NZ107 : Exactly. They had plenty of time to research and failed miserably when they released the product. It seems as though the first month of service has b
127 Knid : No, he was in AKL this afternoon, maybe an ambassador returning from presenting their credentials yesterday? Well they say you never get a second cha
128 Mariner : Within my experience, New Zealanders are among the more forgiving people I know. Sometimes I wish they would be a lot more unforgiving. Jetstar royal
129 Aerokiwi : Haha! Haven't heard that term used for a while Once they get their reliability sorted, things will come right-ish, I think. Though with their terribl
130 NZ107 : IMO they should theoretically do it very soon to pounce on the opportunity before JQ levels out and/or NZ takes more of the rather monopolistic pie t
131 Zkpilot : There has been speculation that the head of the NSA has been in NZL recently... he would however be flying in a private jet most likely.[Edited 2009-
132 Post contains links 777ER : Government agrees to fund NZs AKL-RAR-LAX flights - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...Air-NZ-flights-to-Cook-Islands-Key Airport silent on Tainui
133 ANstar : Pacific Blue have now been granted ETOPS 180 (up from 120) from the NZCAA. THis should allow them to open up some new routes hopefully.
134 NZ107 : What routes are restricted by ETOPS180? And I believe this is only regarding NZ-Aus flights because the other services are Aussie registered planes.
135 ANstar : Only VH routes are the ones to the Solomons, Bali and PNG... all others are ops by ZK aircraft.
136 NZ107 : Indeed, so what routes need ETOPS180 in order to be flown either trans Tasman or into the Islands? Having a look at the Great Circle Mapper, I don't
137 AerorobNZ : JQ screwed things up with or without the media. The fact is we live in a country that is small and insular in nature, so the bad PR goes further and
138 NZ99 : When are we going to see the first NZ 763 with Winglets NZ99?
139 DJ738 : We've been told ETOPS 180 will enable a more direct flightpatch for some routes. And don't forget BNE - WLG, also operated by VirginBlue with VH airc
140 NZ107 : Just for Pac Blue and excluding Poly Blue? Oh well, all for a good cause either way I guess.
141 Kdm : I thought it was a foreign military leader of some sort. The car had no flags. The two support people, one female and one male had very flash uniform
142 777ER : Maybe this new ETOPS will enable DJ and DL to offer better Pacific services like to HNL via some other Pacific Islands as Island hopping services
143 NZB : Due back in AKL Monday
144 Kiwiandrew : yeehah! please somebody get some nice photos of it and post them for me - I am not likely to get the chance to see it in real life until February nex
145 DJ738 : oh, and MEL and ADL to NAN... PolynesianBlue flights are operated BY PacificBlue. So yes, any PolyBlue routes are indirectly covered by the new ETOPS
146 NZ107 : Great, thanks for the clarification. But as I said earlier, from looking on the Great Circle Mapper, the only route that anyone would want to do and
147 CHCalfonzo : I've seen a pic, they look great! They are identical to the tail design with teal/blue and a white koru. Don't have the pic handy though sorry.
148 AerorobNZ : It really isn't that far....when I flew out on A380 EK412 I went down to greet my parents coming off the flight from WLG at domestic, I decided to ha
149 Post contains links 777ER : False aircraft signals fears from windfarm - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2584...rcraft-signal-fears-from-wind-farm Joint airdeal may include NZ -
150 VirginFlyer : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...de-NZ To what extent do UA and NZ already work together? I know UA left LAX-AKL and NZ left SY
151 Koruman : It strikes me that Air NZ has three options across the Pacific. OPTION ONE: Continue to go it alone In this model the airline continues to funnel thr
152 Mariner : I'd agree with that. Whether or not Virgin Blue would now sell V Australia, in view of the Delta tie-up, is an open question Again, I'd agree, except
153 Koruman : Air New Zealand's world has just collapsed, if you want my opinion. The "small target" policy of having no current new direction for a post-recession
154 ANstar : There is 0% chance of Air NZ buying VA....
155 Mariner : I think - and it is early days so I can't be sure - that we are seeing the start of a whole new approach to the way airlines are structured. Lufthans
156 ETA Unknown : Why even contemplate buying V Australia when Virgin Blue can revoke the interline agreement the next day? NZ might as well go back to operating SYD-LA
157 Post contains links Macilree : Do any readers have ready access to month-by-month domestic passenger numbers for CHC for 2007 and earlier if possible? These would have been released
158 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ brushes off body-paint complaints - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2586...-brushes-off-body-paint-complaints
159 Post contains links Macilree : For those that are interested I have posted a couple of graphs here.
160 Koruman : Firstly, the whole point is that when Air NZ operated SYD-LAX the only aircraft with long enough legs in the fleet was the 744, and it was so big tha
161 NZ107 : Is NZ6042 from HKG tomorrow morning at 8am the inbound 763 with the winglets newly fitted?
162 NZB : Yes
163 Post contains links NZA320 : Link to first pics of the 767 with winglets First Air New Zealand 767 With Winglets (PIC) (by Dab920 Jul 12 2009 in Civil Aviation)
164 777ER : WOW. NZs B763s look AWESOME now with the Koru on the winglets. Hopefully I'll get to see it next month when I'm in AKL
165 TG992 : Personally I think having the Koru on the winglets as well actually lessens its impact. Sorry to be a killjoy
166 Post contains links Vfw614 : Just a heads up - an interesting thread was just opened: Auckland 1983 Official Airline Guide Schedules (by N702ML Jul 12 2009 in Civil Aviation) Inte
167 ZKOJH : ZK-NCG looks fantastic and great , well done to everyone who made it happen.
168 ETA Unknown : Contemplate operating BNE-LAX without any domestic Australia feed?!? Noooooooooo! Sorry, but if NZ couldn't make a 744 SYD-LAX work with all of AN's r
169 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : Looks like the thread has been deleted - I'm guessing it linked to photos on a certain other website? Anyway, there are some pics over at Juliet Papa
170 Mariner : Something has to give. Around the world, airlines are forging new types of alliances and ownership structures. Air NZ has a core market, a home marke
171 Rongotai : I'm at AKL and have just seen and photographed the wingleted 767 arrive (at 08.17)
172 Post contains images VirginFlyer : Here we go, photos in the database here: V/F
173 ETA Unknown : There are reports that after the DL-DJ interline fare deal was struck, DJ pulled their fares from UA, so this is a threat to NZ feed. Rex's little pro
174 Post contains links Darenw : TVNZ news http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/air-...-emissions-saving-winglets-2841346
175 Mariner : No, they aren't - nor did I suggest that. But why miss out on the traffic they do provide? Something is better than nothing. Nor does it just have to
176 Zkpilot : It may well be that if NZ does pretty much the status quo, it does a deal with UA/CO to operate their Oz-USA routes for them with 77W... perhaps as a
177 Post contains links QF45 : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10584153 Interesting article relating to Hamilton and Tauranga Airports joining force
178 Mariner : Certainly, I think that is one answer, but I don't now how easy it would be to achieve to achieve. The problem (for me) is that Air NZ has been align
179 Kiwiandrew : [quote=Zkpilot,reply=176]It may well be that if NZ does pretty much the status quo, it does a deal with UA/CO to operate their Oz-USA routes for them
180 DavidByrne : I agree that the landscape has changed, and there is a risk of NZ becoming an also-ran (gone are the "AN" days of just a few years ago when the airli
181 Mariner : I agree, and I certainly don't have answers, nor do I think that anything I can come up with is necessarily "right." And I agree that the AKL hub mus
182 DavidByrne : I'm likewise betting that it's an infusion of capital, but the reason behind it will be more interesting. Is it (a) to allow implementation of an exp
183 Post contains links Mariner : It isn't all doom and gloom. Macquarie estimates a loss of about A$150 million, mostly because of start-up costs of V Australia. At the same time, Ma
184 777ER : IMHO what Tauranga and Hamilton airport are doing is also what Rotorua, Taupo and other near by areas should be doing. No region like the BOP can han
185 QF45 : Agreed, it is a far more realistic idea for the region.
186 Kiwiandrew : OK , going to get shot down in flames here but I would be interested to get peoples feedback on the following : Australia is an important market for N
187 Alangirvan : What time will those buses operate? If flights depart HLZ at dawn and arrive back near midnight, the passengers to/from Tauranga will be best advised
188 DavidByrne : Very similar to one of the options I was proposing in Post 180 above. I'd be aiming to keep the short sectors to a minimum (instead of doing SYD-CBR,
189 777ER : Yes thats a good point, but those pax would be giving their spending money to the Auckland region economy and not to the BOP economy which is why HLZ
190 NZ107 : And then it comes back to the point of how much longer it'd take to get to Auckland. If you're only adding on another couple of hours, I don't see wh
191 Koruman : I really don't understand all this fuss about needing domestic Australian feed to operate long-haul from Australia. It was an issue when all that cou
192 ETA Unknown : Well there was also FJ serving OOL- briefly- and look what happened to that. Southern QLD- actually all of QLD come to think about it- is low yield. N
193 Kiwiandrew : I also would like to see NZ in South America , but with the 787-9s slipping further and further ( they had already slipped to early 2013 before the m
194 Koruman : Really. So I keep hearing. You need to make sure that you don't confuse your inbound and outbound markets before making such sweeping statements. The
195 Alangirvan : This is the problem when flights are very early in the day. Flights that leave CHC first thing in the morning are not very good for people outside Ch
196 Aerokiwi : Which ever so slightly contradicts you earlier statement that... I think Air NZ is of the opinion that southeast Queensland is served pretty damn wel
197 ETA Unknown : NZ135 is operated with a 777 because... A) it gives the inbound North America aircraft somehwere to go rather than sit in AKL an entire day before hea
198 Alangirvan : Jandle in NZ is thong in Australia, is flip flop in UK. I am sure some one else in this forum said BNE to USA is barely profitable for Qantas. Loads
199 Zkpilot : Continuing East Coast flights on to PER would be a more useful endeavor as this market is relatively underserved (and has high yields) not to mention
200 Alangirvan : Report in a Dunedin weekly newspaper (The Star) about some consumer affairs issues with Pacific Blue. Because of the change of schedule from DUD-CHC-A
201 Cchan : Great to know, thanks.
202 Aerohottie : I like the sound of this too... except I would have 773's and 789's only. No 788's
203 Pilotdude09 : They done it to me, don't mind but it shits me off they don't call you or email you about it, just expect you to know. It's nice having a direct flig
204 Axio : I finally got an email today telling me my flights had changed for late August.
205 PA515 : The revised DJ schedule still has just two 737-800's for their domestic flights. CHC-DUD-CHC with this aircraft is uneconomic and diluting the yield
206 Alangirvan : I thought the DUD-CHC-AKL flights would have gone OK, even if not non stop to AKL. They did offer two destinations out of DUD. Fares were offered to W
207 DavidByrne : From my understanding, it's extremely hard to make money with a 737 on a 45-minute sector. NZ has migrated DUD-CHC to the AT7s, and even WLG-CHC and
208 Alangirvan : If PacificBlue are OK about overnighting crew, perhaps two return flights HLZ-WLG-DUD and DUD-WLG-HLZ, so that people in DUD and HLZ can get to WLG f
209 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #60 New Zealand Aviation Thread #60 (by 777ER Jul 18 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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