AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2546 times:
We're officially one week away from the start of DAL-MEM service on DL/NW/Pinnacle.
I just dug up the old thread, but we never reached a solid conclusion as to which gates DL would be using.
What we basically ended up with was an AA spokesman being quoted as saying, "We'd be willing to consider a sublease, but we have no negotiations until now, and it would require a resolution to the ticket counter issue."
Further, we agreed that as AA does the CO ramping, AA would probably try to convince DL to sign on also.
SO- what gates will the CRJ's be parked at?
As a side note, I think it's humorous that DL's inaugural Memphis flights into DAL will probably be operated by an airplane in a different airline's paint... NW!!!
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Thread starter): As a side note, I think it's humorous that DL's inaugural Memphis flights into DAL will probably be operated by an airplane in a different airline's paint... NW!!!
Well it is a "NW" flight and being managed by NW and their system. The flight loads are already looking pretty decent for a couple weeks out, not steller but not horrible.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1): Well it is a "NW" flight and being managed by NW and their system.
Which is still humorous, considering that NW is a division of Delta, and the two operating certificates are on schedule for elimination soon.
Anyhow, do you know what gate space? I'm glad loads are looking up; Continental's loads on their flights are odd. That is to say, often times when I book, the planes are wide open- yet the flights go out mostly full. That implies, to me at least, a lot of last minute B and Y fares... which must be lucrative...
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
DAL's website does not indicate anything about NW's service.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
CO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1): Continental's loads on their flights are odd. That is to say, often times when I book, the planes are wide open- yet the flights go out mostly full. That implies, to me at least, a lot of last minute B and Y fares... which must be lucrative...
I have to agree. I can't say how many times I book my Continental flights out of DAL and it looks wide open. Then at the gate, flight is full with people standing by. There has to be a lot of last minute fares purchased and or changes. I have paid CO plenty of $25 fees for changin to later flight or paying dearly for my last minute DAL-IAH or IAH-DAL flights.
I should've flown with someone else or gone by car cause United breaks guitars.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1996 times:
Do people want to fly to IAH? Isn't HOU vastly preferred?
RedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 730 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1980 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): I'd like to know how DAL-MEM will be a success when DAL-ORD wasnt?
Well I would say that DAL-ORD was in direct competition with AA's own DFW-ORD routing. The DFW-ORD route had much larger aircraft with first class seats and DAL-ORD was on American Eagle ERJ's which does not bring Business Travelers in. Also, most people who come from connecting flights would connect in DFW to DFW-ORD.
SkedGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 133 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1949 times:
Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 7): Well I would say that DAL-ORD was in direct competition with AA's own DFW-ORD routing. The DFW-ORD route had much larger aircraft with first class seats and DAL-ORD was on American Eagle ERJ's which does not bring Business Travelers in. Also, most people who come from connecting flights would connect in DFW to DFW-ORD.
Among other things...
My house is located within two minutes of DAL's curbside, and even if I were a SkyTeam flyer, I still wouldn't choose DAL over DFW to fly to MEM. Why? Well, for starters, just like the ORD situation, DL will offer a daily D9S, 319, and CR9 flight from DFW. It's only an extra 15-20 minutes to get to DFW from DAL, and that's worth it to not sit in a cramped CRJ -- even if it is a relatively short flight to MEM.
FlyingSicilian From Croatia, joined Mar 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6): Do people want to fly to IAH? Isn't HOU vastly preferred?
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Depends, obviously some of those CO flyers are connecting out of Houston IAH, others are flying to the North side of town. Even though HOU Hobby is closer to my US Jobsite and home I almost always fly CO IAH-DAL for the added fflyer miles and points. Plenty of others on the North Side or Woodlands prefer IAH also. Recent anecdote for me-two weeks ago flying IAH-DAL in the morning and DAL-IAH the same evening. I recognized 4 other people on the flight home that came up on my flight and both flights were full. Fair amount of checked luggage coming into DAL as well. CO "seems" to do well with these flights
The nice thing about the Houston-Dallas market is you have AA flying both IAH and HOU to DFW, CO flying IAH to DAL and DFW, and WN flying HOU-DAL
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1870 times:
All of this is great, but the original question (if you're forgotten, WHERE ARE THEY PARKING THE PLANES!?!?!) remains!!!
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): I'd like to know how DAL-MEM will be a success when DAL-ORD wasnt?
DAL-ORD was about the dumbest idea since Skybus Airlines. Who would take this flight? Name ONE demographic for which this route makes ONE IOTA more sense than DFW.
I'm not sure that DAL-MEM makes much more sense, for the same reason- the same carrier/alliance is offering DFW-MEM service on elite-friendly airplanes. BUT- here's to hope.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6): Do people want to fly to IAH? Isn't HOU vastly preferred?
I don't- for where I'm going in Houston, Hobby might as well be in San Antonio.
Quoting SkedGuy (Reply 8): My house is located within two minutes of DAL's curbside, and even if I were a SkyTeam flyer, I still wouldn't choose DAL over DFW to fly to MEM. Why? Well, for starters, just like the ORD situation, DL will offer a daily D9S, 319, and CR9 flight from DFW. It's only an extra 15-20 minutes to get to DFW from DAL, and that's worth it to not sit in a cramped CRJ -- even if it is a relatively short flight to MEM.
To each his own- my family's home is four minutes from DFW on 183, and I ROUTINELY fly to Love Field instead. Now that I live out of state, the fact that rental cars are typically WAY cheaper at Love only helps that decision. I further prefer Love's facilities, size, and traffic situation.
BUT- none of this answers my question as to whether or not they're using AA's gates!
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 915 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
I was at DAL a week ago and unfortunately I did not have my video camera as a worker was painting over the AA ticket counter back wall into the DL blue. Main terninal signs pointed to AA but no AA there. Location: Next to the CO tkt counter. Pretty sure NW/DL will park their planes on the same lines where AA/Eagle once did.
Chapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 5): 'd like to know how DAL-MEM will be a success
The last minute fares from DFW - MEM are fairly high. If the DAL - MEM are within a few dollars of them I'm not sure how that works as well. (I'm off the top of my head here but I'm going to say $800 for a rt day trip ticket.)
That being said, I know of a local company that has people in MEM every week and does a lot (3-4 per month) day trips to MEM for meetings (within 2 miles of the MEM airport). They send virtually everyone out of DAL to LIT on SWA. A last minute ticket, rental car and the drive time work out cheaper than the DFW-MEM nonstop. They can easily make a late morning meeting/working lunch/mid afternoon departure and be back home that evening.
LRARjets From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
Quoting SkedGuy (Reply 8): My house is located within two minutes of DAL's curbside, and even if I were a SkyTeam flyer, I still wouldn't choose DAL over DFW to fly to MEM. Why? Well, for starters, just like the ORD situation, DL will offer a daily D9S, 319, and CR9 flight from DFW. It's only an extra 15-20 minutes to get to DFW from DAL, and that's worth it to not sit in a cramped CRJ -- even if it is a relatively short flight to MEM.
Of course only one of the three jets you list is a regional jet and all three have first-class. Also, the CR9 planes aren't that bad. Unless you are in the very back, the D9S is pretty nice.
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Quoting LRARjets (Reply 13):
Of course only one of the three jets you list is a regional jet and all three have first-class. Also, the CR9 planes aren't that bad. Unless you are in the very back, the D9S is pretty nice.
I believe that was precisely his point. He is more than happy to head over to DFW and catch jets with first class cabins rather than fly on CRJ's out of DAL, which is essentially the same problem AA had offering ERJ service DAL-ORD against huge mainline capacity up the road on DFW-ORD. Of course, AA also had the problem that many destinations accessible DAL-ORD-XXX could be reached non-stop DFW-XXX.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5336 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 11): Pretty sure NW/DL will park their planes on the same lines where AA/Eagle once did.
Thank you!
Quoting Steex (Reply 14): Of course, AA also had the problem that many destinations accessible DAL-ORD-XXX could be reached non-stop DFW-XXX.
ExAActly. Not sure how large the O&D market between DFW and ORD is, but AA seems to have proven it isn't very large, with their utter failure of the DAL-ORD route.
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