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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

So I just got off the phone with my dad who is flying back from FNT this morning. He said going through security there were 11-12 TSA agents standing around talking while only about 3 passengers at a time were showing up to go through security. Now that a planes are starting to depart, these agents have spread out to different gates and are making passengers have their bags randomly rechecked...... what is that about?

I think it smells like maybe FNT TSA is just insecure about the job they are doing and if they really did a good job they wouldn't need to recheck these bags....


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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

There are checks being done at random gates all over the country. It's not just FNT.

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Why??? Because they are afraid they will let something through that they should have already been done CORRECTLY.


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 2):
Why??? Because they are afraid they will let something through that they should have already been done CORRECTLY.

You obviously know very little about security procedures, it's various aspects, nor have you obviously ever been involved in it. It has nothing whatever to do with "feeling insecure" or something not done "CORRECTLY". A statement based on ignorance. The important aspect of security is not to be routine so things can be anticipated.......random is the way to find something. Not because something previous was 'incorrect', but because things can change form very easily indeed (as in brought together!).


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1823 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Thread starter):
Now that a planes are starting to depart, these agents have spread out to different gates and are making passengers have their bags randomly rechecked...... what is that about?

Random searches are now starting again. I thought this was done away with a few years ago. Why bring it back now? Somebody must of ticked off the loonies at the TSA HQ's.

Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 1):
There are checks being done at random gates all over the country.

I have not seen this at DEN, yet. But I did see this done at SAN and SLC this year so far....



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 2):
Why??? Because they are afraid they will let something through that they should have already been done CORRECTLY.

TSA procedures are prone to human error just like any other human operation, but finding mistakes made during primary screening is not the goal of gate checks. The goal is to keep everyone on their toes. Things can be brought in a variety of ways that can bypass security. This is one final check that is not part of the usual routine, and will keep everyone on their toes.


User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

This is an unthinkable waste of time. The TSA themselves said that their goal was to "get it right the first time." But they've violated their promise to the public by relaunching gate screening.

This means that passengers are subject to full-body x-rays, but then asked to be pulled out of line to be frisked in front of everyone else.

This can only be viewed as both redundant and needlessly humiliating.

All of us need to remember that airport personnel and cargo are not screened. Instead, we're screening passengers twice.

The TSA has the responsibility to the traveling public to discontinue its random gate screening, and focus its attention on EVERYONE who has access to sterile areas of the airport, and EVERYTHING that is loaded on to the aircraft.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1811 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 6):
The TSA themselves said that their goal was to "get it right the first time."

This is the same thing my premise of this post was based on but I got  flamed  ...

Good luck



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1783 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 6):
All of us need to remember that airport personnel and cargo are not screened.

That is partly true..... Careful there.... Airport personnel are still screened, however.



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1766 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):
That is partly true..... Careful there.... Airport personnel are still screened, however.

Not at every airport. There is even a bypass door for crewmembers at some certain airport, if you have a SIDA badge for that airport.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1748 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 6):
This is an unthinkable waste of time. The TSA themselves said that their goal was to "get it right the first time." But they've violated their promise to the public by relaunching gate screening.

Absolute and utter nonsense! The first time something is prevented I sure hope you recollect saying all that. Nothing like Monday morning quarterbacks!

Quoting Mats (Reply 6):
The TSA has the responsibility to the traveling public to discontinue its random gate screening

The TSA has the responsibility to the travelling public of securing their safety at an airport and whilst flying.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1713 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 9):

Again, that is partially right. Some CSA's who work the ticket counter also do duties at the gates. This means going through security anyway.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 10):
...and whilst flying.

I believe that is the duty of the FAM's, not the TSA screeners.



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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

I really think they should go back to rescreening all staff; especially with that recent incident where an airline employee brought a traveling friend's gun through so he could avoid checking it. With people that dumb in the work pool I would say the privilege can't really be trusted. Until that happens however, what other alternative is there except to randomly rescreen those actually getting on a plane?

User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2115 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1651 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 3):
The important aspect of security is not to be routine so things can be anticipated.......random is the way to find something. Not because something previous was 'incorrect', but because things can change form very easily indeed (as in brought together!).



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 5):
The goal is to keep everyone on their toes. Things can be brought in a variety of ways that can bypass security. This is one final check that is not part of the usual routine, and will keep everyone on their toes.

 Yeah sure This is nothing but a way for the TSA to justify their huge budget to Congress. A few weeks ago leaving Tucson, there were 11 (!!!!!) TSA people standing at the gate for my flight with 75 people. There couldn't have been more than 10 of them at the checkpoint. This adds absolutely nothing to security at the airport. As any experienced traveler (or smart tewwowist) could tell you, you board the plane once all the agents are busy harassing other innocent people. This is all window dressing. For anyone to say it's not is fooling themselves. Maybe they should redeploy those people and screen cargo, mail and ramp workers.


User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1495 times:



Quoting Chrisair (Reply 13):
Maybe they should redeploy those people and screen cargo, mail and ramp workers.

You couldn't have said it better. I used to work for DL/OH at KDAY a few years back and I saw the absence of security for airline employees. I remember saying to one of my friends that if I were a terrorist, I wouldn't have to try very hard to smuggle a bomb onto an airplane. Simply bring it in a bag through the employee gate, through the coded door (which was already past security anyways) and walk it right on to the ramp!. Thankfully, there is nobody like that out there  pray 



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1367 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 5):
TSA procedures are prone to human error just like any other human operation, but finding mistakes made during primary screening is not the goal of gate checks. The goal is to keep everyone on their toes. Things can be brought in a variety of ways that can bypass security. This is one final check that is not part of the usual routine, and will keep everyone on their toes.

Nice in theory, but the problem here is that the check is coming at what is, for the passenger and the airline, a very time-sensitive part of the process, especially with full flights and baggage fees.

If things can be brought into the sterile area that can bypass security, then the answer is to close those holes, isn't it?

And I've seen the TSA employees doing these gate checks, and frankly, most of the time they're spending more time talking amongst themselves than actually looking that closely at the bags. It really does appear to be an exercise in headcount padding, or at the least, giving TSA agents something to do at slower times of day when all the lanes aren't needed.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1331 times:



Quoting Mats (Reply 6):
This can only be viewed as both redundant and needlessly humiliating.

I agree, but remember what is going on right now. The airline's are cutting capacity due to lack of travelers. In effect, airport administrations are cutting support staff and airport concessionaires closing up due to lack of passengers. The airlines are seeing up to a 20% decline in passenger travel in certain markets. A 20% decline is significant and the scary thing, we are in the peak travel season.

Yes, the TSA say it's security screening etc. While it is very simple what this is.......job justification!! The TSA is not cutting jobs because they're the government. I am not being political or taking one side etc. The new Administration is disparately trying to meet its campaign promise of creating jobs. The last thing they can afford to occur is cut a division of the government even though there are limited passengers to screen.

This is a touchy topic. If you say there is too much security be prepared to be lambasted!! It's the same argument in the United States that the DUI law are too strict. Yes, it's ridiculous you risk receiving a DUI after having 2 glasses of wine in an evening. Equally ridiculous as having TSA agents stand around without opening other lanes or meandering through the airports double searching what they missed at the check point.

Again this is a political football that no one will lay his "wee wee" on the line to have it chopped off b/c of the .001 chance some one will breach the checkpoint killing people. It is what is.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1295 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 1):
There are checks being done at random gates all over the country. It's not just FNT.

Yeah, I had my laptop bag looked at at MCO about 2 weeks ago... but it was a -very- quick look (I don't even think they reached in to the bag-- just unzipped it, glanced in, then zipped it back up) and they were -really- passive about it. No announcement, and I when I walked by [I was finishing up a conversation with a client] just did the body langugage "you want to look at this?" and they nodded, so I let them -- based on their posture, it's entirely possible had I just kept walking to the gate they wouldn't have gone to any effort to "force" it. But who knows, maybe they would have stiffened up...

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Somebody must of ticked off the loonies at the TSA HQ's

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Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 9):
There is even a bypass door for crewmembers at some certain airport, if you have a SIDA badge for that airport.

Even if you aren't a crew member/have a SIDA badge if you're being escorted by someone who does. I've walked through one of those doors landside -> airside at CLE under escort with a big box o' tools and no one looked at me, the tools, or the person escorting me twice.

Someone who really wants to be evil will always find a way... There's something to be said for making it inconvenient for them, but doing checks at the gate I really don't think has that much of a benefit... for example, if an employee was doing it, I can think of at least 5 ways that wouldn't even involve passing through the passenger door.

Lincoln

Lincoln



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1261 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
I thought this was done away with a few years ago

It never fully went away. Occasional gate checks would happen. Generally you see more around holidays.


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