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BA 777 And Hainan A346 Accident.  
User currently offlineFxramper From United States, joined Dec 2005, 5070 posts, RR: 99
Posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27542 times:

BA #77 (G-RAES) was parked at LAD while the HU A346 taxied out on the apron and collided at the stand with the Boeing. BA reported the wing hangs significantly down following the collision. Anyone see a picture?

Got wingwalkers?  rotfl 

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1 SW733: Well I tried to check BA.com flight status but the result states that they do not fly to Luanda...someone should have told the crew that, this whole s
2 Jfk777: Luanda, Angola ? or other ciry ?
3 SW733: There's another Luanda?
4 Fxramper: 1x week; flight 77 Curious about the status of G-RAES.
5 SW733: Oh I know, I have flown it before. Sorry, guess my joke didn't quite come through...my bad.
6 Post contains images Fxramper: I thought I recalled you mentioning previously on the site you flew into LAD. A/c involved.
7 Dano1977: According to Pprune. A new Aileron has been borrowed from Boeing, and its making its way to Luanda, along with a BA team of engineers to fix. Thats th
8 TristarSteve: The BA B777 was parked on the stand. The Chinese A340 was taxying too fast onto a parking area and was 18m off the centre line, when it skidded on sky
9 Pawsleykat: I didn't even know Hainan flew to Luanda. Jeeezo, 18m off the centre line. How would one not even notice that they're that far off it? At least BA hav
10 SW733: Aw shucks I'm remembered now? Yeah, LAD can sometimes be a (believe it or not) cheaper way to get to WDH than via South Africa, so I have done it a f
11 Fxramper: IIRC, via DXB. Thanks for information.
12 Pawsleykat: Ah sweet. Thanks for the info man! JG
13 NA: Oil workers?
14 TaromA380: I wonder what the capitain of the Cardiff BA777 did say about that.
15 SBON: I didn't know either; however there is a large Chinese presence in Angola (for oil and other mineral extraction) so it doesn't surprise me.
User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1196 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23589 times:



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
I wonder what the capitain of the Cardiff BA777 did say about that. embarrassed

Any 777s at CWL are undergoing heavy maintenance or cabin fittings and able to provide spare parts if needed quickly. BA don't operate any scheduled flights to CWL, let alone with a 777!


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2806 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23589 times:



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
I wonder what the capitain of the Cardiff BA777 did say about that

Keep up. Cardiff is the Major Maint Hangar for BA Widebodies.
The aircraft don't have Captains.
A new aileron is en-route from the USA, it was just quicker to rob one in the UK, than wait for the one in the States.

User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20836 times:

Crew flew back to London via LIS with TAP; Chinese aircraft was apparently under guidance from "Follow Me" car after landing; whether this contributed to the incident is something I don't know.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 4868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20566 times:

http://www.mmad.dk/Anet/fnluramp.jpg

To say that ramp space is tight at LAD would be quite an understatement. I would imagine that the widebodies park in the section with the 747, so for an aileron to get knocked, the Hainan A346 must have been trying to park to the left of the BA 777. A bit too much speed going into that tight turn coupled with a slippery surface, I can easily see it skidding.

User currently offlineWexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20567 times:

Anyone know the damage to the 340??

Sounds like someone is gonna get into the sh1t over this anyway.

This kind of links the a question I was thinking about earlier today. Recently had an incident with a ground vehicle colliding (well being driven into) an aircraft and putting a hole into the aircraft, not huge, but substantial enough. I was thinking the driver of the ground equipment could possibly lose his job, it was undeniably his fault and is obviously a very costly mistake to make. Is it likely a situation like this is a sackable offence?


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3801 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17938 times:



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
I wonder what the capitain of the Cardiff BA777 did say about that



Quoting SBON (Reply 15):
Any 777s at CWL are undergoing heavy maintenance or cabin fittings and able to provide spare parts if needed quickly. BA don't operate any scheduled flights to CWL, let alone with a 777!

Currently these include two 772s that have been recently delivered to BA and are at BAMC for cabin furbishment. The second of these, G-YMMT , only arrived at CWL on delivery from Paine Field on Friday last. It is not due in service for several weeks. By that time a further 772, G-YMMU that I believe was rolled out onto the Boeing flight line at PAE in full BA livery on Saturday having made its maiden flight on 17 June before it was painted, will be at BAMC. So there is no great urgency to get a spare from Boeing.

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 1909 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15050 times:

Was the Hainan bird one of the airframes formerly leased to CX?


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineGKirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23776 posts, RR: 69
Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13541 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 16):
Any 777s at CWL are undergoing heavy maintenance or cabin fittings and able to provide spare parts if needed quickly. BA don't operate any scheduled flights to CWL, let alone with a 777!



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 17):
Keep up. Cardiff is the Major Maint Hangar for BA Widebodies.

Chaps, I think you've misunderstood his joke  Wink


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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

Now from a practical point of view, who foots the bill for the damage & costs?

Is it an insurance claim like an auto accident?  Confused


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User currently offlineWowpeter From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Oct 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7257 times:



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 24):
Now from a practical point of view, who foots the bill for the damage & costs?

Is it an insurance claim like an auto accident? Confused

hahaha... I would have thought so... I wonder do airline has no claim bonus... hahaha... anyway, I think it will be an insurance claim.

User currently offlineFlylku From United States, joined Apr 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6390 times:



Quoting Wowpeter (Reply 25):
hahaha... I would have thought so... I wonder do airline has no claim bonus... hahaha... anyway, I think it will be an insurance claim.

So would we see the captain of the 777 and 346 standing out on the ramp exchanging insurance information? Or maybe the captain from the 346 said "Hey, let's not report this. I know somebody who does great body work, cheap."

What's the deductible on a 777?


...are we there yet?
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 27, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4586 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 8):
The Chinese A340 was taxying too fast onto a parking area and was 18m off the centre line, when it skidded on skydrol contaminated ground.

Isn't there a clean up at the Airports for a fluid spillage?
regds
MEL...


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom (England), joined Sep 2003, 8721 posts, RR: 91
Reply 28, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4457 times:
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Quoting GKirk (Reply 23):
Chaps, I think you've misunderstood his joke

Exactly, I found it amusing at least!

Quoting Flylku (Reply 26):
I know somebody who does great body work, cheap

Said JAL flight 123.  duck 


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2007, 662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4419 times:



Quoting Flylku (Reply 26):



Quoting Wowpeter (Reply 25):
hahaha... I would have thought so... I wonder do airline has no claim bonus... hahaha... anyway, I think it will be an insurance claim.

I don't think we have a no claims bonus. After the incident with G-YMMM at LHR last January.

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 9):
Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 8):
The BA needs an aileron, which has now been robbed from a BA B777 at Cardiff.

At least BA have managed to get a spare Aileron in time. Good ol' BAMC Silly

G-YMMM was broken up and parted out. With parts been sent to BAMC. Maybe the aileron from this aircraft was the one sent to LAD.

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5480 posts, RR: 54
Reply 30, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4319 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 13):
Oil workers?

or weapons trading...


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User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 29):
G-YMMM was broken up and parted out. With parts been sent to BAMC. Maybe the aileron from this aircraft was the one sent to LAD.

The 777 L/H Aileron assembly came to LHR from LAX on a BA service, it was put on a truck to Ostend then went on a British Global (MK Airlines) scheduled flight to LAD via TIP.

The part(s) arrived there yesterday.

User currently offlineAirNZ From United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), joined Feb 2005, 2947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3538 times:



Quoting BAW217 (Reply 31):
The 777 L/H Aileron assembly came to LHR from LAX on a BA service, it was put on a truck to Ostend then went on a British Global (MK Airlines) scheduled flight to LAD via TIP.

The part(s) arrived there yesterday.

What happened to the parts which were reportedly sent from Cardiff to save time?


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2007, 662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

BA would never take the part of the two new aircraft that are currently in CWL. From what I have been told in the last hour or so BAW217 is right. A new aileron was sent from LAX to go to LAD.

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1196 posts, RR: 26
Reply 34, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3312 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 33):
BA would never take the part of the two new aircraft that are currently in CWL

Doesn't have to be one of the new ones surely? Other 777s at CWL all the time for C/D checks, for which a missing aileron is not the end of the world for a couple of days if it gets a stranded aircraft back into service quicker. Anyway, it sounds like plans changed (they often do in these situations).


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User currently offlineAirNZ From United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), joined Feb 2005, 2947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 35, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 33):
From what I have been told in the last hour or so BAW217 is right.

I wasn't remotely suggesting that anyone isn't right. I asked what happened to the aileron that was sent from Cardiff as there was no great urgency to expedite one from Boeing, or why wasn't it used if it was sent?


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User currently offlineValley1 From United Kingdom (Wales), joined Apr 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2866 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 33):
BA would never take the part of the two new aircraft that are currently in CWL

G-YMMS is currently at BAMC minus a LH aileron. Robbed for G-RAES. At present, none of the older 777's are at BAMC.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 35):
I asked what happened to the aileron that was sent from Cardiff

Probably now lost in the Black Hole which is the BA stores system.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 29):
G-YMMM was broken up and parted out. With parts been sent to BAMC

To the best of my knowledge no parts from MMM were ever sent to BAMC.

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2784 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 22):
Was the Hainan bird one of the airframes formerly leased to CX?

B-6510, MSN 0475, is indeed an ex-Cathay Pacific (B-HQC).

User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 38, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

heck, those boys take that A vs. B crap a bit far. So, what about the 346? 1:0 for A or what?


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User currently offlineFxramper From United States, joined Dec 2005, 5070 posts, RR: 99
Reply 39, posted (4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1698 times:





User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3801 posts, RR: 20
Reply 40, posted (4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1486 times:



Quoting Valley1 (Reply 36):
To the best of my knowledge no parts from MMM were ever sent to BAMC

MMM no longer belongs to BA. The BA Annual Report 2008-09 details a payment received by BA for the aircraft from its insurers. It was £63 million. This was a credit in the report.

The debit was a write-off of the book value of MMM, £60 million. The difference between the two figures is probably to cover other costs associated with the accident.

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