RJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 7448 posts, RR: 54 Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
A few questions about MIA:
How is the construction going on the North Terminal for American/OneWorld airlines? Still shooting for 2011 completion? When will the tram open up there? And will the gates be re-numbered when it is complete?
Who will use the E concourse once the North Terminal is complete? Will non-aligned international airlines still remain in Concourse F?
Finally, what is the current shape of Concourses F/G/H? I haven't flown from any of those in years...Was H re-built as part of the South Terminal, or are there big differences between Concourses H and J?
I'm sorry for all of the questions! I've been reading a lot of articles and old threads about MIA, and I'm just trying to clear up these questions. Thank you!
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IcelandairMSP From United States, joined Dec 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
F/G/H weren't touched by the South Terminal construction. They're all still awful. Little will be done to change this until the North Terminal is complete which, in my opinion, has taken so long that it is already a little outdated.
DFWEagle From United States, joined Dec 2006, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter): How is the construction going on the North Terminal for American/OneWorld airlines? Still shooting for 2011 completion?
Yes, the entire project is scheduled for completion in March 2011.
The full length of track won’t be operational until project completion in March 2011, but as Mark said above, the first section of track and 2 stations will open later this year. When the full system is operational, there will be four stations along the terminal length.
Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter): And will the gates be re-numbered when it is complete?
Yes, all 48 mainline gates will be re-numbered in the ‘D’ series from D1 to D51, missing out 13, 18 and 35. A total of 9 gates will be large enough to accommodate the 744, while the rest will vary in size for either the 767, 757 or 737.
The two commuter contact gates will be numbered D53 and D55. In addition, there will be a commuter facility at the end of the terminal with 15 hardstands connected by a covered walkway for ERJ or ATR aircraft. A further three hardstands will be connected to the terminal by bus.
Quoting 28L28L (Reply 3): What's the status of concourse A construction? Do they plan on closing concourse C when A reopens?
Cheers.
Concourse A re-construction is progressing on schedule, and it should re-open in the second quarter of 2010. However, the gates will be without access to the FIS until the project is complete in the first quarter of 2011. Concourse C will be closed later this year, before Concourse A re-opens.
MIASkies From United States, joined Jun 2004, 1213 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4): The two commuter contact gates will be numbered D53 and D55. In addition, there will be a commuter facility at the end of the terminal with 15 hardstands connected by a covered walkway for ERJ or ATR aircraft. A further three hardstands will be connected to the terminal by bus.
So no RJ dedicated Eagle gates at all? hmm it would be nice if they built at least 4 RJ dedicated gates at the "Commuter Satellite" no chance of that happening? I know MIA see's a ton of ATR traffic but RJ gates would be nice as well, the same way they were built at JFK.
DFWEagle From United States, joined Dec 2006, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
Quoting MIASkies (Reply 5): So no RJ dedicated Eagle gates at all? hmm it would be nice if they built at least 4 RJ dedicated gates at the "Commuter Satellite" no chance of that happening? I know MIA see's a ton of ATR traffic but RJ gates would be nice as well, the same way they were built at JFK.
Yes, the two commuter gates I mentioned (D53 and D55) will be dedicated regional jet gates, accessible from the main concourse. These will be just like the ones at JFK with full jet bridges.
Ckfred From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
What happens to Concourse E? That place looks like it hasn't seen any remodeling since the 1970s.
I understand that the tram used to connect the "low" domestic gates and the "high" international gates, but now, the low gates and the D gates all have FIS access.
So, will AA (or whoever uses E) eventually take out the tram and fill in the space with gates?
No, it was rebuilt about 10 years earlier. It matches the style of A and D, so there was no need to rebuild it.
Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Who will use the E concourse once the North Terminal is complete? Will non-aligned international airlines still remain in Concourse F?
E and F will be shared equally by nonaligned international carriers.
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 2): F/G/H weren't touched by the South Terminal construction. They're all still awful.
H was completely redone about the same time that Concourse A was built. I think you mean Concourses E/F/G. Though F hasn't really seen any major changes since the 1980s, it's held up well and is a pretty nice concourse compared to E and G.
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
I understand that the tram used to connect the "low" domestic gates and the "high" international gates, but now, the low gates and the D gates all have FIS access.
So, will AA (or whoever uses E) eventually take out the tram and fill in the space with gates?
The tram is on its last legs. We haven't been running the south train since last November (accident), and the north train goes tech on a fairly regular basis. The rumor I've heard is that the train will be demolished as soon as possible, and the E Satellite will be closed down indefinitely.
RJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 7448 posts, RR: 54 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Another question: Will there be an airside connection between any of the three terminals when everything is complete?
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
Yes, all 48 mainline gates will be re-numbered in the ‘D’ series from D1 to D51, missing out 13, 18 and 35. A total of 9 gates will be large enough to accommodate the 744, while the rest will vary in size for either the 767, 757 or 737.
So there will be no Concourse A/B/C anymore?
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 9): No, it was rebuilt about 10 years earlier. It matches the style of A and D, so there was no need to rebuild it.
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 9): H was completely redone about the same time that Concourse A was built. I think you mean Concourses E/F/G. Though F hasn't really seen any major changes since the 1980s, it's held up well and is a pretty nice concourse compared to E and G.
So H is in good shape? Is Concourse J that much nicer than H? Besides, passengers on airlines using H still check-in at the new South Terminal right?
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 26003 posts, RR: 77 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13): So H is in good shape? Is Concourse J that much nicer than H? Besides, passengers on airlines using H still check-in at the new South Terminal right?
H and J are both part of the South Terminal.
Concourse H is in excellent shape. No, its not as nice J, but its still quite nice.
Sflaflight From United States, joined Nov 2005, 934 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13): Another question: Will there be an airside connection between any of the three terminals when everything is complete?
It's a misnomer. They are not separate terminals. It is really North side of Terminal, West side of Terminal and South side of terminal. I'm one who hates that because to me terminals are separate buildings like LAX or FLL. Currently North part and West part are linked together in the secure area to allow AA passengers to connect freely. If you are asking if there will be a secure connection between parts (North, West and South) after comlete construction, I can't remember if that will be possible. I believe that passengers will have to leave secure area, walk to other termnal area and reclear security. However, the new MIA was alliance designed so most people will be connecting alliance to alliance. Correct me if I'm wrong about future secure connections between terminal areas.
IcelandairMSP From United States, joined Dec 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 9): H was completely redone about the same time that Concourse A was built. I think you mean Concourses E/F/G. Though F hasn't really seen any major changes since the 1980s, it's held up well and is a pretty nice concourse compared to E and G.
You're right. My bad. I wish they would rebuild concourses E-H to be as slick as J. Haven't had a chance to fly through it yet but it's one of the best looking in the US.
The North Terminal just looks like a giant hodge podge. The quixotic, if-this-were-Asia part of me wishes they had rebuilt A-D to be completely linear. An opportunity to get a MAD terminal 4 or something. But alas, this is the US and not just the US, but Florida. Architecture was probably the last thing on their minds all those years ago when they were designing it.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 26003 posts, RR: 77 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
Quoting MIASkies (Reply 18): Will British Airways, Iberia, Finnair, Mexicana and AA partners all move to "A" part of the North Terminal?
Yes. North Terminal will be Alaska Airlines, American Airlines, American Eagle, British Airways, Iberia, Finnair and Mexicana, as well as the four LAN airlines; and hopefully El Al will be back shortly, as they announced last month they are considering returning. They'll go to north, as well.
AA will also be building a brand-new Flagship Lounge and British Airways will be remodeling their Terrace and First Class lounges.
OB1504 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 2318 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1490 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20): WHY though has it taken 20 years since the first AA 767 took off for LGW, EZE and GRU to do the NORTH terminal ? It should have taken 5 years.
Ask AA. They were the ones originally in charge of the project until they screwed it up so badly the county had to take control of it from them.
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 15): It's a misnomer. They are not separate terminals. It is really North side of Terminal, West side of Terminal and South side of terminal. I'm one who hates that because to me terminals are separate buildings like LAX or FLL.
I hate that, too. Fortunately, the newer signs going up in the airport are downplaying the different "terminals" and they seem to be reduced to marketing names.
Once all is said and done, Concourses D and E and Concourses H and J will be linked behind security. No connections between E and F, F and G, and/or G and H. Of course, if you have ramp access, then they're all linked behind security...
Sflaflight From United States, joined Nov 2005, 934 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1459 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21):
I hate that, too. Fortunately, the newer signs going up in the airport are downplaying the different "terminals" and they seem to be reduced to marketing names.
In what sense? Are they just directing to gate numbers rather than using North, West, South. Maybe the MIA powers that be figured out that many people, especially Europeans, might thing that they need to take a train or bus to the other terminal! But then aain, these are the same people that have a major plan to raise revenue without extrapolating it from airlines!
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21):
Once all is said and done, Concourses D and E and Concourses H and J will be linked behind security. No connections between E and F, F and G, and/or G and H
Would that be next to D31? The original current location?
Jfk777 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 3444 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1274 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21): Ask AA. They were the ones originally in charge of the project until they screwed it up so badly the county had to take control of it from them.
That is an AA Miami statement, AA doesn't have that problem in DFW or ORD or JFK. IF it can happen at other airports why not Miami ? ITs the political culture in Dade County.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 26003 posts, RR: 77 Reply 25, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 24): That is an AA Miami statement, AA doesn't have that problem in DFW or ORD or JFK. IF it can happen at other airports why not Miami ? ITs the political culture in Dade County.
AA had the same exact problems at the JFK terminal - way overbudget and delayed. Facts always fly right by you.
mark miami/los angeles
26 Incitatus: Valid question: Once this is all done, will MIA cease to look like a zoo? The immigration halls are just awful and too small for the job. They are sta
27 MAH4546: MIA's immigration is easily one of the most efficient in the country. It's huge. The South Concourse immigration is a lot bigger, but North Concourse
28 Jfk777: MAH4546, You always defend MIA status quo, WHY ? You seem to some in at Miami-Dade or AA in Miami but I live in Florida have seen it all at MIA, Char
29 MAH4546: AA drastically reduced the final size of the terminal, cutting mainline gates and an entire commuter terminal was put on hold. The terminal is design
30 MIASkies: Doesn't this argument get old fellas? We get it...MIA/Miami-Dade Politics is a mess..We get it..it's been said over and over and over again...AA has
31 Jfk777: Boy that is very Ted Kennedy and Frank Lorenzo, " don't look here at the bad stuff but over here at the good things we've done". Terminal H is great
32 Sflaflight: To me it is one of the best. It always flows really well and quick. Agents are never a problem. At least going thru the line for citizens. Cant talk
33 FlyMIA: Well E,F,G wont look nice but the rest will be world class. I never had a problem and have never had to wait more than 10/15 minutes I have been thro
34 Ckfred: Here's my complaint. The First Class/AAdvantage elite line merely gets you to the front of the main line. You can still wind up behind someone who ha
35 OB1504: Wouldn't you be mad if you had to work there? A new FIS is currently under construction in Concourse C (the entrance will be right above Gates D28 an
36 Incitatus: Really, the welcome you said you get is what I get in other places. Once I came out GRU-MIA and we were the first flight in. There was one officer an
37 OB1504: That's part of the problem, too. With so many INS and CBP agents, a minority can still be a pretty sizable amount of people. As is all too often the
38 RICARIZA: H is new. but I E has seen some work done too... This is the food court for H & J
39 OB1504: The International Satellite Terminal (E20-E33) opened in the late 1970s. Concourse E (E1-E11) was rebuilt in the early 1980s. Since then, they haven'
40 RICARIZA: Hm, maybe I was looking at D? I just walked through a series of detours to get into my gate E-10 a week ago for my AA-flight to MAD and I saw a new bo
41 OB1504: Yep, sounds like D. The food court is located at Gate D44. There's going to be a similar cluster of restaurants in the older portion of D (Gates D31
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