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Big Weather Mess/diversions In The Making At NYC  
User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Going to be a messy evening!
So far as of 5pm

American 024 B763 SFO-JFK Div to Detroit
Jetblue 350 A320 BUR-JFK Div to Pittsburgh
United 006 B752 SFO-JFK Div to Chicago

AirTran 502 B717 MKE-LGA Div to Pittsburgh
American 4854 E135 DTW-LGA Div to Pittsburgh
Delta 5933 E175 ORD-LGA Div to Scranton
Northwest 522 A319 MSP-LGA Div to Pittsburgh
Northwest 524 A319 MSP-LGA Div to Cleveland
United 310 B752 DEN-LGA Div to Pittsburgh
United 678 A320 ORD-LGA Div to Pittsburgh
United 680 A320 ORD-LGA Div to Pittrbusgh
US Airw 3614 CRJ2 IND-LGA Div to Scranton

American 114 B762 LAX-EWR Div to Wash Dulles
American 1184 MD82 ORD-EWR Div to Wash Dulles
Continental 1029 B738 DEN-EWR Div to Indianapolis
Continental 1134 B737 DFW-EWR Div to Cleveland
Continental 1166 B737 ORD-EWR Div to Cleveland
Continental 1403 B738 LAX-EWR Div to Buffalo
Continental 1580 B738 SEA-EWR Div to Buffalo
Continental 171 B735 MSP-EWR Div to Pittsburgh
Continental 1703 B752 LAX-EWR Div to Baltimore
Continental 1733 B752 CUN-EWR Div to Baltimore
Continental 1827 B738 SAN-EWR Div to Baltimore
Continental 186 B737 SNA-EWR Div to Philadelphia
Continental 2838 E145 CMH-EWR Div to Allentown
Continental 2916 E145 OMA-EWR Div to Allentown
Continental 349 B738 SFO-EWR Div to Detroit
Continental 485 B738 PDX-EWR Div to Cleveland
Continental 734 B739 PHX-EWR Div to Cleveland
Delta 1260 B738 SLC-EWR Div to Buffalo
Northwest 1905 E170 MSP-EWR Div to Pittsburgh
United 422 A320 DEN-EWR Div to Harrisburg
US Airw 687 A320 PHX-EWR Div to Baltimore

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21421 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

My mother is flying EWR-CDG tonight, CO54. The plane is stuck in CLE at the moment.  Sad

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

Any news on international arrivals? I've got a friend on KU 101 en route from LHR to JFK, left LHR late and is due in at 18:06 local time according to JFK's website (KU's flight status feature is a joke)...


Keep Discovering
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11130 times:

We (Air Canada) have pretty much thrown in the towel for LGA, and EWR doesnt look any better. We still have a few YYZ-EWR flights on tap for tonight, but I'm not too optimistic. The FAA website is showing 180 minute delays into EWR!!

You know it's pretty much a cluster-youknowwhat when AC has a 767-300 scheduled for LGA tomorrow.


User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Deja vu...there were just some severe storms that wreaked havoc there this past Friday evening.
Sounds like a good evening to tune into JFK Tower on liveatc, some of the often impatient controllers (although I frankly don't blame them given what they have to deal with) can be entertaining to listen to.
I'm really hoping won't have to deal with a mess like this on July 16 as I'll be flying into EWR that afternoon on CO Express (always the first flights that are delayed or canceled).


User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11091 times:
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United 90 going to Harrisburg as well


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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/

Click on "NAS Status". What a mess.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21421 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11047 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 2):
Any news on international arrivals? I've got a friend on KU 101 en route from LHR to JFK, left LHR late and is due in at 18:06 local time according to JFK's website (KU's flight status feature is a joke)...

International arrivals aren't affected by the delay programs, so the only delays they would be subject to would be capacity limitations and weather shutting down certain flight paths.

Flightaware currently shows the flight on its descent into JFK (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAC101)

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 3):
The FAA website is showing 180 minute delays into EWR!!

They're actually a lot less than that now. The reason the website shows 180 minutes as an average is that the GDP has been in effect since 1700Z (a little under seven hours ago). We're now on the back side of it, and so the delays are slackening off - ranging from 60 to 90 minutes mostly.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11001 times:

Well, at least PIT will be busy  Smile. I miss PIT's former US glory  Sad


Roar, lion, roar
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11000 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
and so the delays are slackening off - ranging from 60 to 90 minutes mostly.

That sounds like a normal, sunny day at EWR.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21421 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10991 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Quoting RP TPA (Reply 3):
The FAA website is showing 180 minute delays into EWR!!

They're actually a lot less than that now. The reason the website shows 180 minutes as an average is that the GDP has been in effect since 1700Z (a little under seven hours ago). We're now on the back side of it, and so the delays are slackening off - ranging from 60 to 90 minutes mostly.

And while I was opening my big fat mouth on that, they bumped the delays up.  embarrassed 

Now at least 2 hours for anything scheduled to arrive in EWR before 1030pm. At least 3 hours for anything between 715pm and 8pm.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10950 times:

Continental has already diverted more than 20 aircraft at this point...

JFK
AA024 B763 SFO Div to Detroit
B6 350 A320 BUR Div to Pittsburgh
UA006 B752 SFO Div to Chicago

LGA
FL502 B717 MKE Div to Pittsburgh
AA4854 E135 DTW Div to Pittsburgh
DL5933 E175 ORD Div to Scranton
F9 510 A320 DEN Div to Akron
NW522 A319 MSP Div to Pittsburgh
NW524 A319 MSP Div to Cleveland
NW532 DC93 DTW Div to Allentown
UA310 B752 DEN Div to Pittsburgh
UA678 A320 ORD Div to Pittsburgh
UA680 A320 ORD Div to Pittrbusgh
US3614 CRJ2 IND Div to Scranton

EWR
AA114 B762 LAX Div to Wash Dulles
AA1184 MD82 ORD Div to Wash Dulles
CO016 B752 LAX Div to Cleveland
CO171 B735 MSP Div to Pittsburgh
CO186 B737 SNA Div to Philadelphia
CO349 B738 SFO Div to Detroit
CO485 B738 PDX Div to Cleveland
CO629 B738 DEN Div to Indianapolis
CO712 B738 POP Div to Philadelphia
CO734 B739 PHX Div to Cleveland
CO751 B738 SDQ Div to Baltimore
CO860 B737 SXM Div to Newburgh
CO1029 B738 DEN Div to Indianapolis
CO1049 B738 SFO Div to Cleveland
CO1134 B737 DFW Div to Cleveland
CO1166 B737 ORD Div to Cleveland
CO1403 B738 LAX Div to Buffalo
CO1580 B738 SEA Div to Buffalo
CO1660 B738 BDA Div to Philadelphia
CO1703 B752 LAX Div to Baltimore
CO1733 B752 CUN Div to Baltimore
CO1827 B738 SAN Div to Baltimore
CO2838 E145 CMH Div to Allentown
CO2916 E145 OMA Div to Allentown
DL1260 B738 SLC Div to Buffalo
NW1905 E170 MSP Div to Pittsburgh
UA090 A319 SFO Div to Harrisburg
UA422 A320 DEN Div to Harrisburg
US687 A320 PHX Div to Baltimore


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

There's only one US Airways flight diverted at LGA and EWR? I though US was busy at this time at least in LGA.


Roar, lion, roar
User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10880 times:

It really looks like Newark has been hit hardest..
The orange and red on radar passed right over the airport and then moved North without affecting JFK at all.. and LGA only very slightly... although there is some more weather to the W and SW of JFK that could affect it shortly...


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Well, the skies are clearing here at JFK now and the backup for departures looks like it has thinned out. They had to do a 180 for the runways, the 22's were in use right before and during the storm, I see they are using the 4's now as the primary with extra departures going out on 31L.


"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5278 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

Must be summer on the east coast. I'm looking out my downtown DC window at an ugly-looking thunderstorm right now. I'm glad I'm flying out of IAD tomorrow morning instead of tonight...


Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4228 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10484 times:



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 12):
There's only one US Airways flight diverted at LGA and EWR? I though US was busy at this time at least in LGA.

The LGA operation for US is almost exclusively Express, with only the Shuttle, and a couple of CLT flights for Mainline. Regionals are a lot quicker to cancel flights in this type of weather than Mainline. The diverted flight was an Air Wisconsin flight and the routing that plane is usually on would have the crew bringing the plane into LGA and being done their trip in LGA, so this is why they decided to try to run that one. Unless a crew was starting or ending a trip in LGA, chances are ZW would have cancelled the flight and just repoed aircraft to get in position for tommorrow and not cause any bigger problems.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10397 times:

Hmmmmm.... Maybe I missed the news, but I hadn't heard of any category 5 hurricane hitting NYC today.... oh wait, it was a line of showers that passed through.... well, THAT explains why the whole system fell apart.

Really, when is the flying public going to stop putting up with these inexcusable delays and diversions everytime moderate rain passes through the NYC area? Enough already!


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

PVD has a lot of BOS diversions on the ground right now. I knew something was up when I was taking a walk and an Air Tran 717 flew over my house! I think we have like 8 on the ground now and more on the way in.


Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

My friend is on UX 092 and at the moment both Fightaware and the JFK website show it as "on schedule), but it should have left 25mns ago (at 9 30).

Any idea where he is now?


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9998 times:

UX 092 took off at 10 26, 1hour late, not too bad.

User currently offlineSLCPDXATL From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9921 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):
Really, when is the flying public going to stop putting up with these inexcusable delays and diversions everytime moderate rain passes through the NYC area? Enough already!

Probably about the same time they stop putting up with the traffic jams on the highways, and they all start walking.


User currently offlineBTVB6Flyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

Here are some of the BOS diversions (although not related to NYC):

BGR:
BAW239
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20090630/1852Z/EGLL/KBOS

PWM:
JBU472
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...2/history/20090630/1824Z/KOAK/KBOS

PVD:
UAL176
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...6/history/20090630/1914Z/KSFO/KBOS

VRD364
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...4/history/20090630/1851Z/KLAX/KBOS

AWI3598
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/V...4/history/20090630/1851Z/KLAX/KBOS

TCF5990
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/T...0/history/20090630/2317Z/KCVG/KBOS

UAL446
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...6/history/20090630/2111Z/KORD/KBOS

COM504
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...4/history/20090630/1736Z/KBWI/KBOS

TRS268

DAL1390

BDL:
AAL436
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...R/history/20090630/2208Z/KDFW/KBOS

NWA210

JBU1244
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...4/history/20090701/0315Z/KBDL/KBOS

AWE2044

DHL420
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...0/history/20090701/0146Z/KBDL/KBOS

JFK:
AAL264
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20090630/1909Z/KLAX/KBOS

AAL2098
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20090630/2121Z/KORD/KBOS

AAL1930
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20090630/1957Z/KMIA/KBOS

SWR52
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20090630/1728Z/LSZH/KBOS

ROC:
TRS885
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/T...5/history/20090630/2347Z/KMDW/KBOS


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5278 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9576 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):

Really, when is the flying public going to stop putting up with these inexcusable delays and diversions everytime moderate rain passes through the NYC area? Enough already!

In fairness, severe thunderstorms are not exactly "moderate rain," and I would hope no one tries to fly through them.

That said, they happen most summer days in the East, and the system ought to work around them a bit more effectively than it does. Reducing the number of aircraft movements at peak times at certain airports would be a good first step.



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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

So with all of that noise yesterday about how great WN was to run ontime all day, I wonder how they did today? Any of their flights get caught up or did they get in and out before the mess hit?

727forever



727forever
25 JBLUA320 : If you're from here, then you are not only used to it, but you expect it. If the weather is beyond showers anywhere in the country and you are using
26 B595 : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../KBOS AA2098 sure took the scenic route. The passengers got to see every state in New England.
27 Mir : No, not showers. Thunderstorms. Throw that at any big airport and you'll get delays and diversions. Why should the busiest airspace in the country be
28 Apodino : It's almost to the point now when you have to stop and ask yourself. Airlines aren't stupid, the operations people see this every day from these airpo
29 8146659 : Excellent post Apodino.
30 Mir : But you'd still have to leave gaps on one of the approaches in order to let departures get out. The presence of many heavy aircraft (additional wake
31 MattRB : Doesn't look like 770 got out. Our LGA ops suffered the same fate as well. Looks like 728 was the only one out today. BOS even got cancelled. Not a f
32 Dispatchguy : When there is a lasting mideast peace - I've been hearing about that since I was around 5; I'm 42 now...
33 Richierich : Because airlines exist to make money, or at least collect it. They can only do this by adding flights, and thus the airports are now at or near max c
34 ADiZzy : JetBlue had a few flight in Boston divert more than once. Flight 1244 from CLT to BOS made two attempts to land in KBOS and then diverted to KBDL. It
35 Nkops : so how is it this morning?? been thundering all morning here in ACY[Edited 2009-07-01 09:11:46]
36 JustPlanes : It looks like there is stuff brewing... Right now its all over the water S and SE of JFK and in CT/RI.. so remains to see how that will develop but go
37 Nkops : I just saw that JBU150 from MCO-JFK div. to ACY.. don't know if wx related though.
38 N62NA : I actually disagree with your statement (the part about they can only make money by adding flights). They make money by selling seats on planes. Ther
39 JustPlanes : Looks like Boston may be hit this afternoon... its foggy, raining and thundering about the time that things are going to start getting busy... and rad
40 WA707atMSP : The weather delays are so bad now, that I always allow at least 4 hours to make a domestic - international connection. Even this won't help me if my d
41 AndyinPIT : I'm sitting in PWM waiting for a flight to IAD and DL had a JFK flight come back to the date, as did B6. I'm not sure why but all the UA flights to OR
42 Richierich : Oh boy, we could go on for ages discussing this and I'm not completely sure that this thread is the correct one to be discussing this. However I do w
43 N62NA : Hey Richierich, thanks for your reply to my post. Most days all those flights between NYC and MIA are delayed anyway (I'm just using that city pair as
44 SeaBosDca : Please be careful with which "quote selected text" button you use. I am not the author of the text you quoted -- in fact, I quoted it myself to take
45 ChrisNH : It is quite humorous to watch Southwest in Manchester in the winter. They often get in just fine during a storm while the others don't even bother. T
46 Contrails15 : its 0814 and BOS is in a ground delay. My flt was coming in at 0820 and has changed literally every 10 mins and now its showing 0920. Sucks for the ou
47 Mir : That could be a poor comment on WN just as easily as a good one. -Mir
48 Post contains links Revelation : Because if they didn't, someone else would. Yes, there's too damn many flights, but the way it gets sorted out is via competition, unless of course y
49 Apodino : I am thinking you shouldn't go to the bare minimum. But some airports are just too much. Take LGA for example. Even though the schedule is usually ab
50 Richierich : While I don't disagree with the fact that customers 'would be happier', the powers that be at the airlines apparently think customers want frequency,
51 Revelation : They can still have a boatload of options. The cutbacks wouldn't change things all that much, they'd just tailor demand to capacity a lot better than
52 Mir : Conflicts don't only exist on the runways. You couldn't have different departure paths, because anything on a climbout other than the Breezy Point Cl
53 Apodino : The other problem with shifting away from bigger airplanes is the fact that most of this flying has already been outsourced to regional partners curr
54 N62NA : Me too.
55 Mir : RNAV has nothing to do with it. They've already got a climb restriction on the SID, and it's not an RNAV SID. It's a problem of crossing flight paths
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