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User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 18437 times:
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Dear friend,


Is there any site where I can now medium costs of leasing brand new planes, Boeing, Airbus, Embraer and Bombardiers?

best wishes,

Leonardo

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 18428 times:

I've posted the info previously.
Updated: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing (by LAXintl Mar 13 2009 in Civil Aviation)

If you need the cost of a specific type, I can get you updated rates.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31061 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 18415 times:
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You may also be able to access Aircraft Value News from your local library online database. That is what I use to determine lease, sale and residual values for planes.

User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 18396 times:
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Dear friends,


Thank you very much for the info. Any idea about about what it would be a 787 leasing?


best wishes,


Leonardo


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

Well 787 prices are far from firm however estimated valuation puts a 787-8 at $750-900k month on an operating lease for the type, in the ballpark of what a 777-200ER goes for today.


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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18299 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
If you need the cost of a specific type, I can get you updated rates.

How about 747-400BCF's and -400F's?

Thanks.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 18046 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I've posted the info previously.

A fine chart BTW, thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7573 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 17888 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I've posted the info previously.

Your data for the 772ER:

B777-200ER - $61M-$124M - $610-1,000,000

is more or less confirmed by the BA Annual Report 2008-09 published a month or so ago. In Note 10 to their financial statement it details the monetary impact of the write-off of the 772ER, G-YMMM, at LHR early last year.

The report says the 'loss' because of the write-off of the book value of the aircraft was £60 million (or US $ 98 million at today's exchange rate). The 'gain' from the insurance payment received is given as £63 million (or US $103 million).

I suspect that the difference between these two figures is not a 'profit' acruing to BA. Rather I think it is likely to be reimbursement of other insured costs (in addition to the loss of the aircraft frame) that have arisen directly as a result of the accident.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months ago) and read 17812 times:

IIRC, it costs $200,000 a month for an A320.


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User currently offlineCO38 From Norway, joined May 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17634 times:

A friend of mine who works at a company that lease out aircraft told me that the lease rates (pr year) is roughly 1/7 of its market value. So in the 777 example a couple of posts up, a 777 with a current market value $61mill will have a yearly lease rate of $8714285. ($726 190 pr month)

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17440 times:



Quoting TropicBird (Reply 5):
How about 747-400BCF's and -400F's?

BCFs are much dependent on their feed stock, and need to earn ROI back on conversion cost but price out around $550-800k/mo while -400F on the other hand are more in the $750k-975k range.
I'm sure the recent depressed cargo market however will put furhter pressure on their pricing.

Quoting CO38 (Reply 9):
is roughly 1/7 of its market value.

I would be very cautious to use any such assumptions, as lease cost are very market driven, and at times are not quite linked to the actual cost of the plane. For instance for many years the A320 and 737NG series leases were quite inflated in relationship to their actual acquisition cost due to their popularity and managed to garner rate premium.



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