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User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16387 times:
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Dear friend,


Is there any site where I can now medium costs of leasing brand new planes, Boeing, Airbus, Embraer and Bombardiers?

best wishes,

Leonardo

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16378 times:

I've posted the info previously.
Updated: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing (by LAXintl Mar 13 2009 in Civil Aviation)

If you need the cost of a specific type, I can get you updated rates.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29667 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16365 times:
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You may also be able to access Aircraft Value News from your local library online database. That is what I use to determine lease, sale and residual values for planes.

User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16346 times:
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Dear friends,


Thank you very much for the info. Any idea about about what it would be a 787 leasing?


best wishes,


Leonardo


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

Well 787 prices are far from firm however estimated valuation puts a 787-8 at $750-900k month on an operating lease for the type, in the ballpark of what a 777-200ER goes for today.


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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16249 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
If you need the cost of a specific type, I can get you updated rates.

How about 747-400BCF's and -400F's?

Thanks.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15996 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I've posted the info previously.

A fine chart BTW, thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15838 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I've posted the info previously.

Your data for the 772ER:

B777-200ER - $61M-$124M - $610-1,000,000

is more or less confirmed by the BA Annual Report 2008-09 published a month or so ago. In Note 10 to their financial statement it details the monetary impact of the write-off of the 772ER, G-YMMM, at LHR early last year.

The report says the 'loss' because of the write-off of the book value of the aircraft was £60 million (or US $ 98 million at today's exchange rate). The 'gain' from the insurance payment received is given as £63 million (or US $103 million).

I suspect that the difference between these two figures is not a 'profit' acruing to BA. Rather I think it is likely to be reimbursement of other insured costs (in addition to the loss of the aircraft frame) that have arisen directly as a result of the accident.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15762 times:

IIRC, it costs $200,000 a month for an A320.


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User currently offlineCO38 From Norway, joined May 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15584 times:

A friend of mine who works at a company that lease out aircraft told me that the lease rates (pr year) is roughly 1/7 of its market value. So in the 777 example a couple of posts up, a 777 with a current market value $61mill will have a yearly lease rate of $8714285. ($726 190 pr month)

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15390 times:



Quoting TropicBird (Reply 5):
How about 747-400BCF's and -400F's?

BCFs are much dependent on their feed stock, and need to earn ROI back on conversion cost but price out around $550-800k/mo while -400F on the other hand are more in the $750k-975k range.
I'm sure the recent depressed cargo market however will put furhter pressure on their pricing.

Quoting CO38 (Reply 9):
is roughly 1/7 of its market value.

I would be very cautious to use any such assumptions, as lease cost are very market driven, and at times are not quite linked to the actual cost of the plane. For instance for many years the A320 and 737NG series leases were quite inflated in relationship to their actual acquisition cost due to their popularity and managed to garner rate premium.



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