Brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5856 times:
It is a not established whether children's survivability is greater in an air crash. You are asking this in response to the fact a child survived the 310 crash. There are no statistics to support this and I don't think it has to do with anything but just being fortunate. Far more adults have survived air crashes then children. Its more just luck if you survive an air crash. My philosophy is the further back in the plane you sit you are the last one to hit the mountain so maybe you would survive that crash.
Rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5821 times:
This is an interesting topic.
There are two examples that I can think of, in which children were the only survivors:
United Airlines DC-8 collision with TWA Constellation. This happened back in the late 50's. The only survivor was a young boy who was pulled from the DC-8. Regretfully, he eventually succumbed to his injuries.
IIRC, JAL 747 crash into terrain. In this case, a young girl was found in a tree. I might have this accident partially confused with another asian carrier crash, so correct me if I am wrong.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5719 times:
There was also the AA plane that crashed in Cali. Two children, as well as two adults and a dog in the cargo hold, survived the crash, though unfortunately one of the children would pass away shortly after. It is actually likely that far more people survived the Cali crash then just them, but it took rescue services hours to get to the plane.
Smolt From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
The case Rikkus67 mentioned above is that of JAL flight 123 crashed on 12 Aug 1985 (reg JA8119),
in which only 4 of 524 passengers survived. All survivors were females, two were children.
They were respectively 8, 12, 26 and 34 years old. The 12 years girl was with both of her parents and a younger sister.
I remember one of seven survivors was a boy below ten years old, out of 271 passengers on board China Airlines flight 140 crashed on 26 Apr 1994.
Aidanoc5793 From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5523 times:
Children are less likely to panic, whereas adults would stiffen up on impact a child would be more likely to move with the plane, theres no scientific proof but in many car crashes more children are less likely to die than adults because they are not resisting the forces of impact.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5271 times:
I seem to remember reading a report which agreed that children can survive harsher impacts because their bodies are more subtle. It makes sense - as a young kid you can throw yourself around for hours and not break anything, try it when you're 30 though and you'll probably end up in A&E.
The was a plane crash in Egypt/North Arfica where the sole survivor was a small baby or toddler, can't recall any more details though, but I think it was a 737 which crashed.
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Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3649 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5240 times:
Quoting Brilondon (Reply 1): There are no statistics to support this and I don't think it has to do with anything but just being fortunate.
There actually *are* statistics to support it. In crashes where there are very few survivors (1-10), those survivors are disproportionately children and crew members.
There are logical reasons for it. Children are often physically protected by their parents, and they're also smaller and are therefore able to withstand being forced into smaller spaces that might crush an adult. They're also less likely to suffer fatal events like a heart attack or cardiac arrest from an age-weakened body (many passengers don't die on impact, but later from their injuries or from secondary causes).
Crew members are often seated at bulkheads with shoulder harnesses on. It's also well established that backward-facing seats are safer in an accident, and cabin crew are often seated in backward-facing seats.
So it's not really surprising when you hear that the sole survivor of any accident would be a child, or a flight attendant.
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DenverDanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5235 times:
It's probably just by chance that a child was sitting in the right seat in some cases, like the DC-8 Constellation collision.
It is interesting though that on UA232, 3 of the 4 infants survived the crash, even though they were not really restrained. One of the concerns with adults is what happens during deceleration. Because I think that's the reason you grab your ankles or place your head on your arms on the seat in front of you, so as not to hit your head full force into the seat. So, I'm betting because children are smaller, they don't have that problem of being big enough to hit the seat back with tremendous force like adults can, which results in incapacitating injuries. In that regard, they do have a small advantage in a crash, but not much. They might be more flexible too, which could mean less injuries and successful escape. Other problems encountered could be undoing your seat belt or successfully exiting a plane. Children are at a disadvantage there unless someone assists them. One of the casualties in the A320 air show crash was a child who could not unbuckle her seatbelt. Another casualty in that crash was the lady that went back to help her. Children may have better chances of surviving a crash because adults will stop to help a child--it's in our genes.
There are pluses and minuses to being a child. It probably all depends on the particular circumstances of the crash that the child faces.
Id have to agree and thats the first thing i thought of. There have been a few cases where adults have been sleep walking and fallen from 4/5 stories high but have survived, because their body is limp because they are asleep. And thats why i agree with you. I imagine children dont fully understand the gravity of the situation and dont tense up as much.
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AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Children fit into the seats better too. Being tall, I often find myself too big for the seat, my head 'flopping' over the back of the headrest and my arms and legs flopping into the aisle in a manner which doesn't bode well for my surviveability in a major crash
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Ryanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4966 times:
Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 2): IIRC, JAL 747 crash into terrain. In this case, a young girl was found in a tree. I might have this accident partially confused with another asian carrier crash, so correct me if I am wrong.
Keiko Kawakami was 12 when JL 123 crashed. She survived the crash together with 3 others. One of whom was her mother, I think. All 4 survivors were seated at the extreme rear of the plane.
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