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YX B717 Sitting In The Desert, WHY?  
User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

I was looking at the top 5 pictures on the main page tonight (07/01/09) and to my surprise to see 2 YX 717's sitting in the middle of the pack of a/c at Victorville minus their engines. I thought Boeing wanted the aircraft back because they wanted them to lease them to Mexicana's LLC operation (sorry but the name I can't come up with). I would think that Boeing would not them sitting there not making any money at all. I know YX was having problems making payments but they were making payments. Boeing could have let YX at least keep operating the a/c until the new airline could take over the aircraft thus making some type of income for both YX & Boeing. I'm I a pie eyed thinker here or what?  scratchchin 
See the Pic by AC B777 below.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/1547706/L/


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
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User currently offlineNycbjr From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 13433 times:

Well the operator is Mexicana Click, what they are doing in the desert...? maybe waiting for adaptation and then reassignment? I dunno...

cheers!


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 13217 times:

Click was getting the B-717's but I think the picture is of the MD-80 (or is it 88) that YX had.

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 13186 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 2):
Click was getting the B-717's but I think the picture is of the MD-80 (or is it 88) that YX had.

Both ex-YX aircraft are clearly 717s. They aren't long enough to be MD-88s, plus the small white line in the blue curve below the cheatline just forward of the engines is the "Boeing 717" emblem.

I believe all the YX 717s went thru VCV for conversion and refit prior to going to MX Click. I'm guessing since these two are very well-wrapped up and have their engines removed, they are merely waiting their turn in the hangar.

They have to be put somewhere in the meantime.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 13145 times:


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For the benefit of those who aren't aware, to post a.net photos in a thread like this one, you type < photoid:1547706 > without the spaces...

V/F



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 12893 times:

I remember seeing on flightaware,an ex-Midwest 717 flying VCV-MIA prolly in June.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5915 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

Several reasons.
First, these things take time. Cabin conversions aren't done with lightning speed.
YX was through with the airplanes- they can't afford to pay for planes that they can't afford to fly to destinations they can't afford to serve. So into the desert they go.
As far as why the engines are gone, there are several possibilities. First, they could have been removed to protect them from the sandy climate of VCV. The aircraft WITH engines most likely have been put into the "PRESERVED" condition as outlined in the AMMs. But, since Click will fly the planes soon, it doesn't make sense to go to the trouble of fully preserving the engines- simply yank 'em off, store 'em, and slap 'em back on in a short bit.
Another possibility is that the engines went in for overhaul. Most of YX's 717 fleet is in excess of 5 years old; part of the deal MX struck with Boeing COULD have included freshly overhauled engines to start things off right. ESPECIALLY considering the hot and high airports in Mexico that these birds are likely to see- makes sense to get that EGT back down out of the stratosphere, as you'd expect from an engine with a few years on it.

That's all I've got at 3am.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3830 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

Is that an Avianca 757 in the top right corner, wearing the new colors?

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months ago) and read 12454 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 4):
For the benefit of those who aren't aware, to post a.net photos in a thread like this one, you type < photoid:1547706 > without the spaces...

Thanks!! I've been trying to figure that one out for a long time.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months ago) and read 12388 times:

After the TPG takeover and subsequent cost reduction discussions, these did not go as planned so they essentially told BCC to take back 16 of the 25 lease 717-200s and allow them to "keep" the remaining 9 at reduced rates with a provision to allow them to be recalled with notice.

Beginning earlier this year, BCC agreed to a re-lease program for all 25 to Mexicana Click. This began with N918ME (XA-CLB) in Feb/Mar. The reason these aircraft sit in VCV is because it is nearly impossible to transition a large group of aircraft to another operator instantaneously. Each much go through a C check, interior reconfiguration, and engine overhaul/upgrade. This results in a schedule of approx. 1 per month and the 5th aircraft XA-CLF (N903ME) is about to deliver shortly.

The first 6 aircraft are being completed in Miami at AAR with the plan to complete the remaining 20 in MEX at Mexicana's MRO. This should complete at the end of 2010 into early 2011.

If you ask why I know all this, I am the interior reconfiguration program manager as a contractor for BCC on this project.



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User currently offlineCO38 From Norway, joined May 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11955 times:

Boeing har 2 B717 for Sale/Dry Lease listed at their web site.
They are both 2000 models with 125Y seating. Could be those two seen on the picture...

Heres a link to the Available Aircraft site at boeing.com

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...=include/reports.cfm&pageid=m38072


User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2164 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11811 times:

Anyone know the regs of these two 717s? I can't really tell from the picture.


Midwest Airlines- 1984-2010
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11741 times:



Quoting CO38 (Reply 10):
Boeing har 2 B717 for Sale/Dry Lease listed at their web site.
They are both 2000 models with 125Y seating. Could be those two seen on the picture...

No, those are soon to be ex-Bangkok Airways aircraft that won't come off-lease until Oct. so they couldn't possibly be in the photo and all YX aircraft are 2-class C40/Y59 configuration.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineCozmoose From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11373 times:

What airline is the one in the lower left.
It has a red tail similar to NW but isn't.


User currently offlineThatplaneguy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10561 times:



Quoting Cozmoose (Reply 13):
What airline is the one in the lower left.


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I believe it's an Airbus A320 of Atlasjet reg. No. TC-OGL. I could be wrong about the reg.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Anyone know why that DL B-757 and two DL B-763s are parked there? I thought DL needed all of their 75s and 763s, including the non-ERs.

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9546 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
Anyone know why that DL B-757 and two DL B-763s are parked there? I thought DL needed all of their 75s and 763s, including the non-ERs.

I was surprised to see so many non ER's parked, but with the economy capacity was cut. N131DN was stored, but being brought back into service. MCO is primarily 757s now, with an occasional 763 once in awhile.

Stored
N121DE Boeing 767-300
N124DE Boeing 767-300
N132DL Boeing 767-300
N133DL Boeing 767-300
N134DL Boeing 767-300

N172DN Boeing 767-300/ER (WFU)
N173DN Boeing 767-300/ER


and 3 757's seem to be stored, N686DA, N616DL, N612DL, and 10 NW 752's were sold too. All data from the widgetheads site.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Thanks to all for the education to this topic, this was something I just did not have any understanding of. So now I know, why! Have a Great Day all!


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlinePhxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Is it possible that those are DC-9's? I see that they have the new YX livery and am not sure if any their old DC-9's were painted in that livery?

User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

No those are not Their old Mad Dogs, because what they had were MD9-83's these are to short also as stated above the is the Boeing logo by the door so they are 717's.


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7700 times:



Quoting Phxmkeflyer (Reply 18):
Is it possible that those are DC-9's? I see that they have the new YX livery and am not sure if any their old DC-9's were painted in that livery?

The rebranding from Midwest Express to Midwest Airlines coincided with the 717 replacing the DC-9s, so no DC-9s were ever repainted. Also, only 3 MD-80s ever wore the full new Midwest livery because they were acquired after the change. All the others only had the tail and titles repainted.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7039 times:

Additionally, the B-717s, like the MD-87s have an 12' extension of the vertical stabilizer above the horizontial stabilizer. MD-82/-83/-88/90s do not have that, nor does the DC-9.

These are definetly B-717s. YX never flew the MD-87.


User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

Also, according to the photo database, the DC9s went to MHV, not VCV.

User currently offlineChrisjw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Sorry to be a bit off-topic:

The DL plane thats in the center-left with its engines removed. Its in front of the sea of ex-ASA MD-80s. Is that a 737-200?


User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6892 times:



Quoting Chrisjw (Reply 23):
Is that a 737-200?

It looks like one. I think it's pretty likely... Here are some DL 732s at VCV a couple of years ago:


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25 VirginFlyer : Definitely is - if you look at the base of the fin it doesn't have the fin leading edge extension which is found on all 737s from the -300 onward. V/
26 Jeb94 : Even without the logo those are clearly 717s as has already been stated. First clue is the tail. Only the MD87, MD90, and 717 have that tall cap on to
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