LIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 571 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10167 times:
Liverpool to Lanzarote (starting Nov. 3)
Liverpool to Fuerteventura (starting Nov. 2)
Luton to Sharm El Sheikh (starting Nov 3)
Luton to Paphos (Starting Nov. 4)
Stansted to Fuerteventura (starting Nov. 4)
Edinburgh to Lyon (starting Dec. 17)
Gatwick to Hamburg (starting Feb. 2, 1010)
Gatwick to Porto (starting Nov. 2)
Rome Fiumicino to Athens (starting Oct. 15)
Rome Fiumicino to Amsterdam (starting Nov. 2)
Rome Fiumicino to Lisbon (starting Nov. 2)
Rome Fiumicino to Lamezia Terme (starting Nov. 2)
Rome to Geneva (starting Oct. 26)
Rome to Madrid (starting Oct. 26)
Madrid to Amsterdam (starting Nov. 2)
Pe@rson From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2001, 16776 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10119 times:
Wow, great. Particularly nice to see more development from FCO.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10028 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 2): Two new AMS destinations (FCO and MAD), excellent :bigthumbsup:
It's a good day for Dutch low-cost destinations
A bit of history on the routes:
FCO has been the domain of KL and AZ for many years. Since a couple of years both carriers are codesharing on the route and there isn't much competition. Fares are quite high, typically 179 or 189 euros for a round-trip, when booked in advanced, and often with horrible timings.
The last carrier that served AMS-FCO on a low-cost basis was Virgin Express, but this has already been at least 4 years ago, maybe longer.
AMS-MAD has been a battlefield around 2006-2007, when Vueling and Transavia were competing very much on the route. Also IB offered attractive fares at these days.
After Vueling stopped the route, it didn't take long before KLM pulled HV off the route too, and fares when back to the original fare level.
Just before Vueling started AMS-MAD, U2 had already requested slots for the route AMS-MAD but they never started it. Probably as they didn't want to become operator no. 5 on the route. Now it's nice to see them back!
All these new routes from FCO, will it finally become a base now? It is already a night stop destination for 3 aircraft, but it isn't technically a base yet.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 2780 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9948 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 3): It's a good day for Dutch low-cost destinations
Indeed it is, with FR also starting OPO-EIN. Great summary about the history on the FCO and MAD route. Of course FR services Ciampino airport, so there is some competition at the moment to Rome (from the NL), but not on the AMS-FCO route. Very happy to see this, as Rome is still very high on my "to see" list.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2001, 16776 posts, RR: 58 Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9932 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 5): Rome is still very high on my "to see" list
Been 3 times. Great place! Incidentally, must go to Amsterdam at some point.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2792 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9503 times:
I'm pleased to see Porto receive yet another route, and one that I consider to be very important. Hopefully EasyJet will also add Porto-Funchal in the near future also.
Its amazing how many airlines operate the London - Cyprus route and still there is space for more. This will be an excellent boost for the new terminal at PFO where passenger numbers are reduced this year due the economic crisis.
Jamotcx From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 41 Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7100 times:
WTF why are they launching LPL-canaries?
Surely they would be better suited to manch and just bring in the 4th aircraft! Better road links, better train links and better bus links?
Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23869 posts, RR: 69 Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7055 times:
Quoting Jamotcx (Reply 16): WTF why are they launching LPL-canaries?
Surely they would be better suited to manch and just bring in the 4th aircraft! Better road links, better train links and better bus links?
Plus you want to fly those routes by any chance?
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Jamotcx From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 41 Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7008 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 17): Plus you want to fly those routes by any chance?
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6765 times:
Quoting Jamotcx (Reply 16): Surely they would be better suited to manch and just bring in the 4th aircraft! Better road links, better train links and better bus links?
Funnily enough, some people do actually live in Liverpool. With that argument, I'd say why don't all airlines just fly from London instead of the regions? Better road links, better train links, better bus links....
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2267 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
Great to see the new routes from LTN and finally easyJet are offering routes to people who live north of London and don't want travel round the M25 the opportunity to fly to SSH and PFO which have only been available from LGW until now!
Im sure both routes will be a great success, and as their is limited competition on both routes from other regional airport they could potentially attract independent travellers from the Northern Home Counties, London, East Anglia and the Midlands...
PFO was very successful when Helios Airways, and no one has filled the airlines shoes on this routes since its demise...
Would be great to see some other longer distance routes from LTN to the likes of the Canary Islands as we currently only have ZB's service to TFS at the moment.
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 940 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
I am with Jamotcx on this one. Whilst I never believed in the LPL=Short/City, MAN=Long/Leisure theory that others assumed was the strategy, keeping TFS at MAN and then launching ACE and FUE does seem a but disjointed IMO.
Jamotcx From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 41 Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6169 times:
Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20): Funnily enough, some people do actually live in Liverpool.
Yup they do and great for them. And its not too bad for most people who like to drive to the airport who dont live closer to manch. But if you live anywhere North or North East of LPL and want to get the train it can be a pain. But not to worry theres plenty of other airlines at manch and london who I could give my money to and not have to bother with having to get to LPL and I'm sure lots of potential passengers willing to fly from LPL but I'm not one of them.
AAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5810 times:
I was under the impression that the A320 carnt make it to SSH from the UK?
It is a long flight for a LCC however as its outside EU EZY could make a small fortune on inflight sales of Duty Free goods... and Drinks/Snacks!
26 Mariner: Great Circle say that LGW-SSH is 2404 miles. United used to fly the A320 DEN-ANC which is 2405 miles and Frontier flies it with the A319 as well as D
27 Spetouss: Equipment ? I am almost sure that the A319 cannot make it, especially inbound to LTN. Is it going to be operated with B73G or A320 based at LTN ?
28 Joost: Lower thrust-rated and therefore, lower MTOW, in their typical A319 configuration. For most (if not all) aircraft, the thrust rating of the engines c
29 Joost: On a sidenot, does anyone know the details of the CIA noise ruling? Already back in 2004 IIRC, an Italian court blocked expansion from CIA after comp
30 Cyba: Do we know the frequencies on these new routes?
31 Gilesdavies: Luton to SSH is three times a week and PFO is four times a week... LTN-PFO 11.10am --->5.40pm PFO-LTN 6.25pm--->9.15pm LTN-SSH 11.10am --->6.30pm SSH
32 Douglasdc10: Does anyone know some more details about the LGW-HAM service? Will it be additional to the current LTN-HAM route or will it replace it?
33 Acelanzarote: Have you forgotten ZB's twiced weekly service to ACE then?
34 Gilesdavies: Silly me, forgot that route! ----------------------------------------------------- Are any of these new routes being operated by additional metal to
35 Richardw: BTW on Saturdays LGW-SSH and LTN-SSH both arrive at 18.30, if A320s this may be a clue for a maintenance handover ie a LTN-SSH-LGW
37 Gilesdavies: Yes they did, but there was an argument between Ryanair and the local tourist board who were supposed to be supporting the route and probably paying
38 GT4EZY: Equipment on LPL-FUE/ACE will be A320's so I assume LTN will be seeing the bigger buses too.
39 Humberside: XL tried last summer when they did LCA-LTN-PFO/SSH-LTN-LCA rotations on a scheduled basis. LCA was 5xWeek. PFO was either 2 or 3 times a week. Surpri
40 BasilFawlty: AMS will also see some scheduled A320 services in the winterseason: _____6_ EZY2155 LTN-AMS 07.10-09.20 320 _____6_ EZY2156 AMS-LTN 09.55-10.05 320 __
41 El Al 001: Will Easy Jet commence a TLV service on November as previously stated? I know it does not appear in the above list, but was reported so in the past...
42 Acelanzarote: Sure hope the demand is there, was thinking 3 x weekly was a lot to start with with a A319 but a A320 is even more seats to sell... Fingers cross the
44 Joost: You mean U2 returning to DUS? But they have never served DUS, did they?
45 GLAGAZ: Oops yeh. Dunno what I was thinking. But yeh, new flights to DUS. Gaz
46 Airbuseric: Then the battlefield is back this winter, as also UX will introduce 2 daily flights MAD-AMS-MAD by Emb-190 equipment. Since they're part of Skyteam,
47 MillwallSean: I don't know the answer to your question but wasn't that dependent on Israel and the EU negotiating and implementing a Common Aviation Area? I am not
48 Joost: Ah, I didn't hear of that one before. Where did you find this news? I saw that easyJet today increased frequencies on other AMS routes: MXP will go f
49 Pe@rson: What I love is how KL proudly announce their 'specials' on their website, e.g. Madrid just €173, Helsinki €177, Prague €172, Milan €181, Berli
50 Richardw: Will the A320s be maintained at LGW or LTN or elsewhere?
51 Wirelock: how dd you figure this out. the thrust rating of an engine has nothing to do with MTOW. typically thrust rating is different on different aircraft. a
52 PHX Flyer: I doubt that very much. Easyjet is hanging on to Dortmund, which is less than 50 mi from DUS, and they also have CGN as a fallback, which is only 40
53 BasilFawlty: There's no news yet about this. The only news is that UX has received slots for this route but that does not mean they will use them. BSL goes up to
54 Gilesdavies: Seems like you wish has come true... Was announced today, a 6 times weekly service LTN-TLV with an A320. I have created a seperate thread, as is a se
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