Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 2206 posts, RR: 6 Posted (4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7234 times:
A change in format this week. In order to cut back typing for me I now show "2>1" instead of "2rts to 1". The point is still the same. That means two roundtrips were selling last week and now it is 1 roundtrip selling, thus a reduction of 1.
AA
SFO-SNA 5>2 eff 9/09
SJC-SNA 7>5 eff 9/09 (rumored cxld, but still not in OAG)
THESE TWO KEEP MOVING BETWEEN DL/NW
LGA-IND XFER 3>5 EFF 9/09
LGA-JAX XFER 3>0 EFF 9/09
UA
LAX-SGU CXLD 2>0 9/09
By the way, since Mariner recently said "I'm always wrong" which is patently ridiculous. I thought I'd take this opportunity to provide a quote from me on April 24th:
Thread: "OAG Changes 4/24/2009: B6/CO/DL "
"the looming capacity cut they announced for September will be focused around cvg. "
As of this new cut, here are the new numbers:
These are departure comparisons for Nov09 vs. Nov08
ATL +3% (largest hub)
DTW-1.6% (second largest hub, etc.)
MSP -3.1%
SLC +11.5%
MEM -5.6%
CVG -25.2% (Yes, MEM is now bigger for the first time in many years)
JFK -11.4%
Knope2001 From United States, joined May 2005, 1612 posts, RR: 30 Reply 1, posted (4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7214 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): F9 (Lynx)
Last week Lynx ended GJT/HDN/ELP and moved the planes into some mainline markets. These were filed this week in the Lynx exclusive markets.
It appears Lynx may move surplus A/C to another REP partner or open new markets.
Some may suspect MKE in the service of Midwest, however the REP purchase could still fall through. Seems sort of hasty to think that REP is already filing schedule changes and juggling aircraft between subsidiaries at this point.
Super80DFW From United States, joined Oct 2007, 1256 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7193 times:
Wow, glad to see OKC getting somemore seats to ATL. Although, I'd much rather they go from 6x CRJ to 3-4x CRJ + 1x M88; but hey will take what we can get.
So sad to see CVG becoming less and less each week. It's a nice/easy airport to connect through.
Right now, there is an AA MD-80 on approach over my house.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 13529 posts, RR: 94 Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): By the way, since Mariner recently said "I'm always wrong" which is patently ridiculous. I thought I'd take this opportunity to provide a quote from me on April 24th:
It doesn't sound like me and if I did ever say that, I don't recall doping so. I searched the archives back to April and I cannot find that statement by me, of you.
TheGreatChecko From United States, joined Mar 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6989 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): F9 (Lynx)
Last week Lynx ended GJT/HDN/ELP and moved the planes into some mainline markets. These were filed this week in the Lynx exclusive markets.
It appears Lynx may move surplus A/C to another REP partner or open new markets.
It seems to me there is a lull between 9/9 and 9/14 when the ramped up flying to OMA, SLC, and ABQ begins.
Just doing the visualization in my head, it seems that all the 9/9 reductions seem to pretty much come back in the form of L4 doing 4xOMA, 6xSLC, and 5xABQ daily (that's a ton of flying IMO).
As for the reductions in OAG is showing for October (BZN and RAP), according to Frontier's schedule (crosschecked on Orbitz), the change is occurring on 9/14, just in time for all that extra flying.
I'm thinking the changes are simply going fund the significant additional flying that Lynx is doing for Frontier to free up airbii for other destinations. I don't see any signs of an ulterior motive just yet.
DLHFLYER From United States, joined Apr 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6951 times:
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 1): These are departure comparisons for Nov09 vs. Nov08
ATL +3% (largest hub)
DTW-1.6% (second largest hub, etc.)
MSP -3.1%
SLC +11.5%
MEM -5.6%
CVG -25.2% (Yes, MEM is now bigger for the first time in many years)
JFK -11.4%
Do you have the number of flights per hub?
Duluth is a nice city, we even get 3 months without snow per year
FlyPNS1 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 3783 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6922 times:
There was an article in the Cincy paper today (or yesterday??) that was discussing the CVG cuts. Supposedly, CVG will go down to 215 flights and 73 destinations, though DL admitted they may not be done cutting yet. These cuts would represent a 17% capacity cut versus previous September.
The thing now is that CVG is going down the slippery slope where each round of cuts just begets another round. Even routes that were doing ok won't do so well as they lose connectivity to other markets (like BHM, IAH or CID).
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 2206 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6716 times:
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 1): Some may suspect MKE in the service of Midwest, however the REP purchase could still fall through. Seems sort of hasty to think that REP is already filing schedule changes and juggling aircraft between subsidiaries at this point.
REP could be offering an opportunity for the places regardless of the deal because they are also the DIP financier and probably the largest creditor
Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
It doesn't sound like me and if I did ever say that, I don't recall doping so.
You said it. There may be an extra word in the quote like "seem to be" or something, but I remember it.
There was a reduction of weekend flying (5.7) and when I rounded for simplicity it rounded back up to 6.
Quoting Panam330 (Reply 5):
What equipment? I'm guessing we'll go from mainline to CRappyJets?
For that period it was already selling 4 CRJs and now is 5 CRJs. Looks like mainline already went away in August.
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 6): Answered my own question. We go from 3x D95 1x CRJ to 5x CRJ. Typical Delta. Peace out - I'll stick to UA and B6, thanks.
Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 7):
I'm thinking the changes are simply going fund the significant additional flying that Lynx is doing for Frontier to free up airbii for other destinations. I don't see any signs of an ulterior motive just yet.
You may be right about Qs. It's actually the A319s that are falling from 6062 departures in July to 5254 in November. That's 14%. That equals about 5 airplanes. What's weirder is that the low is in November and not September which is a worse month. That tells me that it's not a seasonal move. Maybe the Q400s replaced the A319s so the A319s could go to MKE? Any other ideas, Mariner?
Let me also mention that these numbers include the additional Floridas and such that were announced.
TheGreatChecko From United States, joined Mar 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6685 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 10): What's weirder is that the low is in November and not September which is a worse month. That tells me that it's not a seasonal move. Maybe the Q400s replaced the A319s so the A319s could go to MKE? Any other ideas, Mariner?
I think its just a temporary low and it will be fixed as the RAH deal firms up. The deal would go through in August and additional flying could easily be planned in the next few months to occur in the November timeframe.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 13529 posts, RR: 94 Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 12): I think its just a temporary low and it will be fixed as the RAH deal firms up.
I think that is the point.
I've said from the git-go that I expect to see some "intermingling" and I imagine some of that may -- stress "may" - involve the fleet.
I think a number of things will happen that may involve some fleet shuffling but not until after the deal is confirmed.
At this moment, Republic have only made a bid. There is no guarantee it will be the final, or the accepted, bid and to commit aircraft to anything involved in that bid would be premature.
There may - again, stress "may" - be a coupe of fleet actions taken that would survive even if Republic lost the auction.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 2206 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6561 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 13): At this moment, Republic have only made a bid. There is no guarantee it will be the final, or the accepted, bid and to commit aircraft to anything involved in that bid would be premature.
There may - again, stress "may" - be a coupe of fleet actions taken that would survive even if Republic lost the auction.
I don't think it is unheard of for a company with a pending deal on the table to start factoring that into their planning. They would just be holding the airplanes back for whatever their new mission might be rather than selling tickets to a customer that might have to be refunded/reaccomed if the planes are bound somewhere. That fits with Frontier's usual customer friendly mantra. It's also possible the planes are being sold, but that would contradict some of the comments in the reorg plan. I suspect they are bound for LGA-MKE-LAX or something like that.
Also, keep in mind that the Florida stuff they added is more than likely seasonal so that's more available airplanes come April. Something is going on. Putting Q400s into DEN-SLC in particular smells like a temporary move to me to occupy the planes.
PlanesNTrains From United States, joined Feb 2005, 2200 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6340 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): By the way, since Mariner recently said "I'm always wrong" which is patently ridiculous. I thought I'd take this opportunity to provide a quote from me on April 24th:
Thank you for another great update, but why soil it with this backhanded comment. For the rest of us, do you think you could provide a link/context to the remark so we can at least understand what it has to do with the price of tea in China?
it still surprises me that Appleton, WI still gets non stop service to ATL when PIA and CID get dropped
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2): So sad to see CVG becoming less and less each week. It's a nice/easy airport to connect through.
it is sad, I was just there over a month ago, still a nice facility and really easy to connect in now that they closed C. Terminals A & B seemed rather busy actually. Hopefully they can keep it as a mini hub but its now going down to 215 dailies, any more cuts will make its situation really precarious. I personally liked it too because they were getting the ERJ's thru Cincy which I prefer over the CRJ. Looks like CVG could be going the way of what AA has done at STL.
this is probably to replace the lost ATL flight. I am assuming it will be a CRJ, really wish we could get a flight or two upgraded to CR9 to MSP and DTW from CID. Guess now at CID DL will have 4x MSP and 4x DTW.
YAY!!! ABOUT TIME!!! Now if we could only get FL into the mix to help combat the prices to the southeast.
Edit: And they're all on CR7's instead of the crappy CR2's they used to bring in. Of course, I remember when it was ALL mainline on 722's, M88's, 732's and 738's!
yea but why would i want to connect in ATL when i can go n/s???
but then again i work for one of DL's competitors here so it doesnt matter to me......
but i remember flyin that route back in 1997 when a EMB120 was still used....
KcrwFlyer From United States, joined May 2004, 2485 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6090 times:
Quoting BHMguy (Reply 23): yea but why would i want to connect in ATL when i can go n/s???
Sorry,didnt know anyone landing in CVG actually got off the plane, got their bags, and stayed in the Cincinnati area. I thought that's what DAY was for...
Quoting BHMguy (Reply 23): but i remember flyin that route back in 1997 when a EMB120 was still used....
Nwaesc From United States, joined Aug 2007, 1882 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6083 times:
Quoting NW (Reply 16): Off topic; NW/DL will be handling AS in IAH.
That's good to hear. The more work, the better....
Do not pass me just to slow down...
26 MAH4546: Key word being "supposed to." Reality is, the route is will not be resuming.
27 Knope2001: Both Appleton and Atlanta have big Kimberly - Clark operations, and the ATW-ATL market is somewhat bigger than one would expect given the size of the
28 Enilria: They added MSP-BHM last week if memory serves. Not speaking of Mariner specifically here, but there are a lot of fanboys on the site who attack bad n
29 ERJ170: Ohhhh.. could they at least make both flights a CR9 or even an E70? If they are both CRJ, then that's just sad considering B6 is only going to have 2
30 CIDFlyer: very interesting, I was always wondering why ATW had ATL flights. They have had them for quiet a while! Thanks for pointing this out. correct, the CV
31 MasseyBrown: I believe a number of route resumptions showing in current schedules will not happen. The future schedules, however vaporous, delay asset write-offs
32 KingAir200: Is it going to be NWA people or DL's own counter and DL's contract ramp doing the work?
33 SANFan: The second JFK-SAN flight has disappeared from and reappeared in the DL schedules thru 2009 and who knows what will happen in early 2010... (As of no
34 Mtnwest1979: That reason is why Midwest Express came into being. Originally K-C Aviation dept that grew into YX.
35 TheGreatChecko: Enilria, Have you been able to confirm through OAG the F9 schedule changes for RAP and BZN as actually occurring on 9/14 not 10/9?
36 Skibum9: That's funny! Anderson said that the latest cuts in Cincinnati are not moving to other hubs. When will all the lies stop and DL just come out and tel
37 NW: It will be both NW and DL above the wing and Delta Global below the wing.
38 Enilria: Bad news, the remaining trips are CRJ. BTW, isn't it odd they added SFO freq. VX related? I just download the monthly number of ops and approximate t
39 Nwafan20: I'm not sure if this was covered already (I looked but couldn't find anyting) DTW-PVG goes from 4 weekly 744 to 5 weekly 777 October 24th, and DTW-NRT
41 Runway23: Another one that seems to have slipped under the radar: DTW-YOW reduces from 3 to 2 also.
42 AirlineBrat: If DL ran one flight a day between ACV and SLC..... (6am ACV-SLC) and (9:30pm SLC-ACV), the load factor would be above the desired 70%. Both the am e
43 SANFan: My guess: the same day AA comes out and says STL is no longer a hub... (And, on a related note, probably also the same day WN comes out and says they
44 CIDFlyer: I posted this under the DL fall/winter cuts, but I see that MLI (Moline-Quad Cities IA-IL) goes from 2x to 1x MEM, and MSP goes from 4x to 2x
45 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: Notable Equipment swaps I see were loaded this weekend: ATL-FCO from 333 to 764 on Sept 1 ATL-LGW from 333 to 763 on Sept 1 JFK-FCO from 333 to 764 on
47 SANFan: Good point, 'Brat. The only problem I see with that reasoning is -- and I will preface my comment by saying that I have no idea how DL ground support
48 AWACSooner: Another change I'm showing is NW is changing their last flight of the day from MEM to OKC from a CR2 to a D95!!!! It showed up in a change notificatio
49 MSYtristar: The flight goes D95 on 01Sep and I don't see another equip. change down the road. That doesn't mean there won't be one. No one knows yet. ATL-OKC is
50 KcrwFlyer: I think theyre still moving things around. As of Saturday, this looks like its staying at 5x.
51 Lono: Expect to see more of this Delta Global BS in the future.
52 AWACSooner: I think our SLC service is moving to all CR7's as well... Too bad about CVG...but it's only a matter of time before they drop that route, just like e
53 Super80DFW: Good to see OKC getting some mainline service back, but too bad it's from MEM. Don't go overboard. Down from the summer's 3x CRJ. Wrong. It's becomin
54 Enilria: Always possible, since the merger DL's published future schedule has been an exercise in vacillation.
55 KcrwFlyer: Thats true, I hope they didn't bring the big paper map and the darts from the NW regional planning office down to ATL.
56 OOer: So how many flight will DL mainline have in CVG starting in October? To which destinations?
57 CIDFlyer: I see some Florida destinations that are currently RJ's like TPA and MIA go back to mainline this fall.
58 Intl767400: ATL-HNL goes from a 744 to a 333. I think it switches in Sep sometime.
59 SANFan: I also read that SEA-OGG is being suspended in Sept; I don't know if that's been reported yet or not... bb
60 PHXtoDCAtoMSP: I have heard CDG-CVG will go to a 764 in late October
61 Enilria: Most of the darts NW has thrown over the years are at competitor's hind ends. You know what is so lame about the CVG situation? They did the program
62 Sampa737: Never in a million years did I ever expect to see MEM larger than CVG. I keep waiting for cuts at MEM and there have been a few. But there seems to be
63 CIDFlyer: I mentioned this in another thread but I can see MEM retaining a role in the future of DL, its location is centrally located, the Fed Ex hub keeps op
64 Enilria: I don't think DL will do anything to MEM until CVG is totally dead, but clearly MEM is next if the airline shrinks further. I still think DL covets t
65 Panamair: Other DL September changes noticed after weekend update: - JFK-LAX will be all international BusinessElite-configured 752s except for one flight (ex-S
66 Rampart: Then don't mention it in the first place. Pot shot and poor form. As you always ask, "source?" -Rampart
67 NWAESC: Finally! A DL nickname that made me laugh...
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I thought that's what DAY was for... 
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