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Allegiant Cancels MRY-LAX And CAE-FLL  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Allegiant announced it will cancel the MRY-LAX service effective Sept 6. The flights started on May 3. The reason mentioned is low demand.
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20090702b.php

This didn't surprise me, it seemed like a hard route to compete with both UAX and American Eagle flights PLUS the distance is drivable in about 5 to 6 hours. American Eagle had already announced before today that it would be increasing frequency on the route next month.

Allegiant also announced it will cancel Columbia, SC to FLL eff August 19. This route also started in May 2009. The airline is citing low demand on this route also.
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/aaNews20090702a.php


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3792 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
This didn't surprise me, it seemed like a hard route to compete with both UAX and American Eagle flights PLUS the distance is drivable in about 5 to 6 hours

 checkmark  Cant say I am surprised either.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

I remember being having my doubts when this route was launched. G4's niche is really offering service in unserved markets, which MRY-LAX clearly wasn't.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Lets just say that a week or two ago, there were some very, very low fares available on MRY-LAX.

I always thought if they wanted to run 2 or 3 times a week within California they should have used SCK. Allegiant still does well at Stockton to Vegas and there is no competition to LAX at SCK or nearby MOD.

But my personal preference would still be FAT-SAN.  Wink  Big grin



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
I remember being having my doubts when this route was launched. G4's niche is really offering service in unserved markets, which MRY-LAX clearly wasn't.

They seem to do OK beating out new competitors on a route once they are established on it.

But FAT-LAS is probably one of the few where G4 really has competition and still does well. UAX and US have never been able to beat Allegiant on that route.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Soooo.... What's going to happen to the a/c that's running up and back between MRY and SAN. It needs to go somewhere - like FAT?

The fares between MRY and SAN are not exactly anything to get excited about... I've noticed any number of $9 fares in that market as well.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

MRY-SAN is currently staying. They made a point to say that in the press release.
"Our flights to Las Vegas and San Diego remain unaffected by this announcement."

But like you I wonder if it is going to be able to stick around for long. It has not been looking strong.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 5):
Soooo.... What's going to happen to the a/c that's running up and back between MRY and SAN. It needs to go somewhere - like FAT?

More precisely, the a/c currently op's LAX-MRY-SAN-MRY-LAX 3x weekly so what new service is MRY going to get to provide the a/c to do the MRY-SAN-MRY turn? (Or, at a minimum, they are going to have to completely revise the SAN and MRY schedules...)

Currently, the fall schedule shows both SAN-MRY and SAN-BLI op'ing 2x weekly (on Sun and Thur.) Interesting.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 5):
The fares between MRY and SAN are not exactly anything to get excited about... I've noticed any number of $9 fares in that market as well



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
MRY-SAN is currently staying. They made a point to say that in the press release.
"Our flights to Las Vegas and San Diego remain unaffected by this announcement."
But like you I wonder if it is going to be able to stick around for long. It has not been looking strong

However, it would have been a lot easier to just cancel both LAX-MRY and SAN-MRY (since both routes are intertwined) yet they apparently are seeing sustainable numbers out of Lindbergh. (And I will admit that I, too, am somewhat surprised that the SAN-MRY service apparently is doing OK.)

I certainly agree with you 'Flyer (as you know) -- maybe this will be the opportunity for our friends at G4 to try some sort of FAT-SAN service! Do keep us posted...

bb


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

So, does this mean that CAE has lost all G4 service..... Again??


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3385 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
However, it would have been a lot easier to just cancel both LAX-MRY and SAN-MRY (since both routes are intertwined) yet they apparently are seeing sustainable numbers out of Lindbergh. (And I will admit that I, too, am somewhat surprised that the SAN-MRY service apparently is doing OK.)

I'm not so sure about MRY-SAN. The fares are now $59 one-way, but they have been throwing in $19 ow fares into the mix the last few weeks to stimulate some flights.

Hopefully it will continue to work, but I've been keeping an eye on that route along with the MRY-LAX.



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User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3340 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Allegiant announced it will cancel the MRY-LAX service effective Sept 6. The flights started on May 3. The reason mentioned is low demand.
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaNews/a...b.php

Not surprising to me really, I love my home airport, but I don't think it could support MRY-LAX. I think this was a smart move by G4 because if you think about it, they were probably diluting their own business by offering another destination besides LAS or SAN. Looking back at XE loads also helps give an indicator as to why this didn't work out so well, as MRY-ONT/LGB were never very strong, but MRY-SAN did pretty well as a daily flight.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
I always thought if they wanted to run 2 or 3 times a week within California they should have used SCK. Allegiant still does well at Stockton to Vegas and there is no competition to LAX at SCK or nearby MOD.

 thumbsup   thumbsup   thumbsup 
I've also always thought SCK has more potential for G4 either to LAX or SAN.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
MRY-SAN is currently staying. They made a point to say that in the press release.
"Our flights to Las Vegas and San Diego remain unaffected by this announcement."

But like you I wonder if it is going to be able to stick around for long. It has not been looking strong.

I think G4 has found that MRY can support only two destinations profitably. I optimistic and I think both of these routes can hold on.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3207 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 5):
Soooo.... What's going to happen to the a/c that's running up and back between MRY and SAN. It needs to go somewhere - like FAT?

They can send it here to CID, I would love to have LAX or PGD!  Wink

By the way, anyone know how PDG is doing, I see they have only two routes, do they expect morE expansion there, or would that cannibalize the PIE hub too much?

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
So, does this mean that CAE has lost all G4 service..... Again??

I see on the route map they still have SFB


User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

I say devote it to LAS-LAX  Wink


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

LAX-LAS now that really would be outside their business model.

While I am sure Allegiant Travel could manage to sell plenty of packages in LA for Vegas, I'm not sure it would ever want to dip it toes into an extrememly well serviced air market as this.



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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

The current 7:25am departure time for LAX - MRY didn't seem to make much sense, either. Sure it gives a full day in MRY, but that's awfully early for a leisure route for a short flight. Other than LAS and I guess SAN, seems that most MRY traffic to LAX, SFO and PHX is connecting to somewhere else anyway.

Sure is different than way back when, when UA and Hughes and Air Cal and PSA had bigger jets going up and down the coast.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

The MRY-LAX route was partially to try to start selling hotel packages for visitors TO Monterey. They had packages with 5 hotels in the Monterey area.


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User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2737 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
American Eagle had already announced before today that it would be increasing frequency on the route next month.

How funny AAE ground handles G4 in MRY. So now that G4 canceled the route, will AAE still add more frequency on this route? Prior to G4 entry, AAE has fewer flights than UAX.


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2554 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
More precisely, the a/c currently op's LAX-MRY-SAN-MRY-LAX 3x weekly so what new service is MRY going to get to provide the a/c to do the MRY-SAN-MRY turn? (Or, at a minimum, they are going to have to completely revise the SAN and MRY schedules...)

Makes you wonder if an announcement isn't just around the corner, doesn't it?

There was a story in one of the Monterey newspapers that SAN went out full Thursday. Of course, right before the 4th everything seems to be going out full. I would think with the new 2X frequency, that MRY-SAN can meet the test.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 17):
Makes you wonder if an announcement isn't just around the corner, doesn't it?
There was a story in one of the Monterey newspapers that SAN went out full Thursday. Of course, right before the 4th everything seems to be going out full. I would think with the new 2X frequency, that MRY-SAN can meet the test

I don't remember the XE numbers on the MRY-SAN route but they did run the route 2x daily for a year and a quarter, from the day they started flying it until they shut the airline down completely last September!

(I take that back; I just found figures from the T-100s, for Sept and Oct 2007, that's 4 months after they started flying SAN-MRY, and they had LFs of right around 70%. Of interest particularly to you, WhatU', is that from SAN, the MRY LFs were second only to, you guessed it, SAN-FAT, which were about 75%!  scratchchin  Makes you pause and think...)

Side bar. Come on now Allegiant. Where's that SAN-FAT service that is badly needed and, dare I say, kind of a natural for you?

As I've been thinking about this thread and the cancellation of LA-MRY service -- and for any service out of LA to be cancelled is pretty rare -- while SAN-MRY seems OK, the things that occur to me are: 1) there are about 7 daily r/t already in the LAX-MRY market -- and only connections over LA from SAN, and 2) LA to MRY is a somewhat drivable trip up 101, while the drive from San Diego is, well, 3 hours longer than from LA!

This is part of the reason I keep thinking that SAN is ripe for G4 to develop into a real destination city. A good sized market in its own right -- as an originating city, a popular year-'round, sun-golf-and-beach destination, and with only a few exceptions, mostly served by the airlines as a spoke-to-hub station (i.e., little p-2-p service that G4 would have to compete with.)  crossfingers 

bb


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
Side bar. Come on now Allegiant. Where's that SAN-FAT service that is badly needed and, dare I say, kind of a natural for you?

I agree that SAN-FAT might be a good idea, but other than that I think Allegiant has to be careful with what they add from, say, SAN - especially intra-California - and also with such suggestions as LAX-LAS.

Up until now, they have managed to avoid too many head-ons with other LCC and, especially, with Southwest.

I'm not saying Allegiant couldn't hold heir own against Southwest, but the other airlines are starting to become conscious of Allegiant (Alaska with the BLI flights, eg) and why look for fights?

mariner



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5441 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2486 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
I agree that SAN-FAT might be a good idea, but other than that I think Allegiant has to be careful with what they add from, say, SAN - especially intra-California - and also with such suggestions as LAX-LAS.

Up until now, they have managed to avoid too many head-ons with other LCC and, especially, with Southwest.

I'm not saying Allegiant couldn't hold heir own against Southwest, but the other airlines are starting to become conscious of Allegiant (Alaska with the BLI flights, eg) and why look for fights?

 checkmark  100% agreement here.

That's why SAN-MRY may work (no competition) while LA-MRY didn't. And that's why FAT-SAN would probably work (no competition), where LA-FAT wouldn't. And I certainly don't expect to ever see G4 start flying LAS-LAX or SAN; that's just not their "thing", and their "thing" works just fine thank-you-very-much! (In fact G4's "thing" works better than almost anyone else's!)

Time to go throw a burger on the 'barbie; Happy 4th everybody (even you, Mariner!)

bb


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