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Trying To Understand B777 Cancellations  
User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

In the latest Boeing database update covering up to June 30th they indicate one 777 cancellation. This appears to be a LAN Cargo 777F. I think LAN had two 777Fs on order earlier, and now show only one. Is it correct that this was a LAN 777F cancellation?

There were two new UFO 767-300ERs ordered this week. Since LAN is one of the few airlines still receiving passenger 767s, one could speculate that it is possible that the two new UFOs 763s were ordered by LAN "in lieu of" the 777F that was cancelled.

The other 777 cancellation from earlier this year appears to be one of Continental's recent 77E orders. I think Continental previously had eight (2+6) on order and now show seven (2+5). Is this correct?

Thanks in advance for any corrections or corroborations.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Well CO didn't have a 777 delivery, so something has happened, right?

Also of note, Boeing delivered 246 aircraft for the first half of 2009. That is a lot. Most have been narrowbodies of course, but considering the lack of 787 deliveries slated for this year that are now off until who knows when, 246 in a down economy is big news.

last year they delivered 375 and the year before, 441. So they are on a pace to deliver more than those years. They are on pace for the best year since 2001.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31059 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5844 times:
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Yes, LAN canceled one of their 77Fs. Boeing also had a 737BBJ and 787VIP cancellation recently in addition to the 15 frames canceled by the Qantas Group.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5433 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Yes, LAN canceled one of their 77Fs

I thought both LAN B-777Fs were built, but one was pareked in the desert. Is that not correct?


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5350 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought both LAN B-777Fs were built

These were ordered by GECAS, and leased to LAN, afaik.

LAN had separately ordered two 777Fs directly from Boeing. One of these direct orders was cancelled.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4806 times:

There were two more 777 cancellations recorded in the period ending July 14th. I suppose we will not know for certain whom these were for till early next month but I wonder if these two cancels are 9W? They have three on order, but one of the three is built and out on the PAE ramp.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4373 times:



Quoting WestWing (Thread starter):
The other 777 cancellation from earlier this year appears to be one of Continental's recent 77E orders. Is this correct?

Correct.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3850 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 5):
There were two more 777 cancellations ..... I wonder if these two cancels are 9W?

Aviation Week reports that 9W deferred delivery of two 777s. If accurate, then these two cancels are not 9W.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31059 posts, RR: 87
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3782 times:
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Might be AI?

Supposedly they were to cancel their last seven, but are now said to be taking the five already in production or ready for delivery. So maybe they are only canceling two of the seven?


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3758 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
Might be AI?

Supposedly they were to cancel their last seven, but are now said to be taking the five already in production or ready for delivery. So maybe they are only canceling two of the seven?

No it's not AI. The same report also says: "Although reports have surfaced that Air India may defer or cancel its 777 orders, Keskar confirmed that no discussions have been held with the carrier."



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

The July cancels were the two 77Ws that EgyptAir ordered last August - they ordered eight 737s instead.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2790 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 10):
The July cancels were the two 77Ws that EgyptAir ordered last August - they ordered eight 737s instead.

So they are. Interesting. Thanks.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31059 posts, RR: 87
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
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EgyptAir is still said to be going to lease the 777s they planned to, so they might feel those are now enough for the current time and the monies are better spent on 737NGs.

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2660 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
EgyptAir is still said to be going to lease the 777s they planned to, so they might feel those are now enough for the current time and the monies are better spent on 737NGs.

Yes, EgyptAir had announced six 77Ws were to be leased from GECAS. After I made my post above, I saw that Boeing today have issued a new press release about the 737 orders which also confirms the two 77W cancellations and the fact that EgyptAir will still receive the six leased 77Ws.



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Anyonw know what is going on with the EL AL 772 order?
still no engine type mentioned.
I know at first they were discussing transferring the order to 77W, now i heard they are getting 787 instead of the 772.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought both LAN B-777Fs were built, but one was pareked in the desert. Is that not correct?

It was a firm order for 4 777Fs, 2 delievered. 1 deferred, 1 switched for 763s pax and freighter versions.

Saludos,



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