wow, 99%! Also, very good LF on routes from CCS, GIG and EWR to OPO... However, it is strange that none of the OPO departing routes are among the best ones (OPO-GIG with porr 55% LF)... Maybe this is made mostly my leisure traffic, which returns via LIS?
LIS-CNF is not among the list, so I presume it is featuring low/mid-sexties LF also... I'm quite plaesed with CNF, regarding both AA's and TP's services...
In general numbers, it's amazing how TP does well in Brazil (and also in CCS and EWR). They created such a strong base here, and even non-stops like CNF and BSB, that I was doubtful in the beggining, are now performing well, mainly BSB.
The flight probably had a lot of overbookings leading pax to be rebooked on GRU-LIS. 99% is indeed amazing load factor.
Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 4): Seems that NAT is still not working good for TP. Perhaps they should stop serving it non-stop, adding a tag on FOR service (LIS-FOR-NAT-FOR-LIS)...
Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 4): They created such a strong base here, and even non-stops like CNF and BSB, that I was doubtful in the beggining, are now performing well, mainly BSB.
Overall all ruotes in Brazil are doing very well except for NAT. There is no reason why to connect NAT with FOR or REC because both are doing well as dedicated flights. Perhaps TAP could operate LIS-NAT-MCZ-LIS for example or LIS-NAT-SLZ-LIS. Or they could drop NAT and start MAO or BEL instead.
Interesting to note that FOR and REC are among TAP best performing routes with load factors on the +80%. Probably NAT releases some pressure on REC flight.
SSA is also doing well with load factors of 74% for SSA-LIS and 68% for LIS-SSA.
LAXintl From United States, joined May 2000, 12122 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7875 times:
Quoting Carmelo (Reply 6): I dont get it...OPO-CCS got a 90s laodfactor but CCS-OPO only 50s...do they hate Portugal that much to not fly back?!
Such monthly directional variations are quite common globally.
For instance a few days ago I posted about LF for United's Hong Kong services. A month like April saw very strong Eastbound demand- 94.4%, but Westbound was only 65.8%.
Such variations over longer periods smooth themselves out, except in some peculiar markets where other things are in work such as large immigrations flows.
A good example of this has been Tijuana Mexico which has always had stronger inbound loads on domestic Mexico flights, but weaker outbound loads as these passengers mysteriously cross the US border and dont catch their return flights.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
JJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 706 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7822 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5): The flight probably had a lot of overbookings leading pax to be rebooked on GRU-LIS. 99% is indeed amazing load factor.
True.. Overbookings would explain it.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5): Overall all ruotes in Brazil are doing very well except for NAT. There is no reason why to connect NAT with FOR or REC because both are doing well as dedicated flights. Perhaps TAP could operate LIS-NAT-MCZ-LIS for example or LIS-NAT-SLZ-LIS. Or they could drop NAT and start MAO or BEL instead.
Interesting to note that FOR and REC are among TAP best performing routes with load factors on the +80%. Probably NAT releases some pressure on REC flight.
SSA is also doing well with load factors of 74% for SSA-LIS and 68% for LIS-SSA.
You are right, considering both FOR and REC are doing well, adding NAT to the flight would not be smart. I like the idea of dropping NAT in favour of other route, that could be LIS-BEL-MAO-LIS or LIS-BEL-MAO-BEL-LIS, this way I think they would get better loads than by serving only one of them non-stop.
Considering they are doing so well on CCS, I'd say both BOG and LIM could work for them.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7878 posts, RR: 63 Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7806 times:
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High load factors explained by additional service cut during June. Some routes just got 50% of the scheduled service. Good for TP for sure, but still with equipment parking (lease costs) and crew at home. Also, some flights were merged (NAT/LIS for example) in one or more dates.
Notwithstand, performance in Brazil , in special Sao Paulo, was very good.
July numbers seems to be even better (with more services)
Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 4): wow, 99%! Also, very good LF on routes from CCS, GIG and EWR to OPO... However, it is strange that none of the OPO departing routes are among the best ones (OPO-GIG with porr 55% LF)... Maybe this is made mostly my leisure traffic, which returns via LIS?
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5): The flight probably had a lot of overbookings leading pax to be rebooked on GRU-LIS. 99% is indeed amazing load factor.
TP has scheduled OPO-GRU/GIG as 2x weekly which will show to us something like 2,000 seats in one month. AFAIK OPO-GRU got less than 1,200 seats or in other words, TP just run one weekly service, with the others going thru GRU-LIS. Just to compare GIG-OPO, also with some scheduled services canceled carried something like 600 more passengers, or, 3/4 more flights were realized.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5): Overall all ruotes in Brazil are doing very well except for NAT. There is no reason why to connect NAT with FOR or REC because both are doing well as dedicated flights. Perhaps TAP could operate LIS-NAT-MCZ-LIS for example or LIS-NAT-SLZ-LIS. Or they could drop NAT and start MAO or BEL instead.
TP in fact flew last month some LIS-NAT-REC-LIS flights, merging passengers of two routes into one plane.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7571 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7606 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11): Notwithstand, performance in Brazil , in special Sao Paulo, was very good.
July numbers seems to be even better (with more services)
Performance in all routes were excellent to very good, except for NAT.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11): TP in fact flew last month some LIS-NAT-REC-LIS flights, merging passengers of two routes into one plane.
It seems the right decision to merge NAT with another Northeast flight. REC is the wise choice given proximity.
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11): AFAIK OPO-GRU got less than 1,200 seats or in other words, TP just run one weekly service, with the others going thru GRU-LIS. Just to compare GIG-OPO, also with some scheduled services canceled carried something like 600 more passengers, or, 3/4 more flights were realized.
Which means that TP cancelled some flights driving up loads on OPO-GRU and at the same time LIS-GRU because of rebookings. Both had loads above 90% which does not necessarily mean good operational performance because it results in a lot of overbookings.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 7878 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7600 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12): Passengers by route in June:
Rio de Janeiro - Porto 1636
São Paulo - Porto 1053
Porto - Rio de Janeiro 1026
Porto - São Paulo 757
Thanks, just confirms that OPO-GRU-OPO got 4 flights only during june and OPO-GIG-OPO 7 flights (both should be 8 or 9). If the scheduled time table 2x weekly) was run, the load factor would be lower for sure.
Airbazar From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3931 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7367 times:
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 1): INdeed strange, same as EWR-OPO and OPO-EWR. Huge difference in loadfactor.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 9): It's the other way around, they go to Portugal and "stay" there. It's probably seasonal, but if it isn't the reason might possibly be
The Portuguese have the habit of going back to Portugal in the summer to visit friends and relatives and stay a long time, as much a whole month. What you're seeing is the first wave of this annual ritual. On top of that you have Portuguese students abroad, especially in the US, who finished school in May and are returning home for the Summer but not coming back to the US until late August.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7571 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14): Thanks, just confirms that OPO-GRU-OPO got 4 flights only during june and OPO-GIG-OPO 7 flights (both should be 8 or 9). If the scheduled time table 2x weekly) was run, the load factor would be lower for sure.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 1599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6995 times:
Any numbers on their european route. Have used them on BRU-LIS-BRU and I was really impressed with their crews and inflight service. I can say that they are on top of the airlines I have travelled with in shorthaul lately.
Next flights : VIE-CDG-GIG-CDG-VIE (AF), VIE-BRU-VIE (OS)
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7571 posts, RR: 58 Reply 22, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6888 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20): I agree, especially with the recent announcement from Ryanair that they'll be setting up a base in OPO. I suspect TP's days there are numbered.
Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 19): I think LIS-EZE would be smarter...
TAP does not need to operate in EZE because it already counts on TAM codeshare to EZE.
Airbazar From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3931 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22): TAP does not need to operate in EZE because it already counts on TAM codeshare to EZE.
Well, not exactly. That would be ok if there was enough O&D demand from/to Portugal but I suspect that's not the case. I don't think there is a lot of demand for travel between Portugal and Argentina. I suspect the majority would be connecting passengers from Spain and other points in Europe, making a trip to EZE a 2 stop trip instead of a 1 stop with another carrier via some other hub.
Having said that, I think there other cities that would be more valuable for TAP. I would expect to see IST, AUH, BOM, or even PEK well ahead of EZE. And if SATA gets into even more trouble than they are now and start dropping BOS and YYZ, I fully expect TP to jump on those 2 cities even if only 3/4 times a week.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 7571 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6639 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 23): I don't think there is a lot of demand for travel between Portugal and Argentina. I suspect the majority would be connecting passengers from Spain and other points in Europe, making a trip to EZE a 2 stop trip instead of a 1 stop with another carrier via some other hub.
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 23): I think there other cities that would be more valuable for TAP. I would expect to see IST, AUH, BOM, or even PEK well ahead of EZE
I agree there are many other options for TAP before EZE which anyway is well covered by the codeshare with TAM. TAP could capitalise on the Brazilian connection in LIS to establish a flight to a destination with strong Brazilian demand.
But I do not agree with any of the destinations you listed: IST (TH already operates in GRU), PEK (too competitive and TAM routes pax via FRA and MAD where it has codeshare with CA), BOM (many airlines are retreating from India and this is not a good time), AUH (this is an oil market with fierce Etihad competition).
I would rather think that TAP needs to open a new route to a Star Alliance hub with strong O&D could be YYZ for example. But then TAP would not attract Brazilian connections. The African markets also offer good opportunities. The same for opening a new Brazilian route such as BEL or MAO.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2496 posts, RR: 3 Reply 25, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6563 times:
I always wodered why TP doesn't fly LIS-VIE, that could have both O/D and Austrians going to various places in Brazil. I mean, TP flies to PRG, BUD, WAW, HEL and even ZAG but why not VIE? I know that OS had a twice-weekly flight some years ago that they pulled, and that Skyeurope is flying now - but they could go any moment. Would this be an opportunity for TP?
I am, therefore I think.
26 Airbazar: Here are my reasons: IST is a *A hub and Turkey is a significant tourist destination from Portugal. In addition, IST is a good alternative to FRA whe
27 LipeGIG: [/quote] If you want to carry passengers from EZE to Spain, TAM code share is not a solution as it demand 2 stops and 2 waits Agree. In order to have
28 JJ8080: Agree. And they would also be able to fill EZE-LIS with connections from SCL, ASU, MVD, LIM(?)...
29 LipeGIG: I don't think so, the market from such cities to LIS is limited and to do another connection is worst or the same IB for example already offers. EZE
30 JJ8080: Ok, thise cities doesn't have big demand to LIS, however, small demand from 4/5 cities is enough to colaborate with at least 20/30 daily pax... Regar
31 Airbazar: To tell you the truth I don't quite understand what TP's strategy is regarding OPO. Actually I'm not entirely convinced that TP knows what their state
32 Hardiwv: I was referring to traffic Portugal-Argentina only. EZE-MAD and EZE-BCN is already served and I do not see TAP playing a role here. I personally thin
33 Airbazar: Not really. For starters TAAG won't be serving many European cities, certainly not daily. Second, they are not a member of any alliance. And third, I
34 Hardiwv: You are correct. TAP will continue to dominate the corporate and business traffic to LAD, there is not doubt. On the other hand, the fact that TAAG w
35 LipeGIG: As i explained, the best strategy for an EZE flight would be to attract closer Spanish markets like Vigo, Santiago de Compostela, La Coruna and some
36 Airbazar: TP was never the only carrier between LIS and LAD, during TAAG's black list period. Just because TAAG will be flying its own metal to LIS, not much i
37 Hardiwv: You are correct. Thanks for the clarifications. TAP is now finalising its restructuring which will start with profound changes in its operations in B
38 Airbazar: I think concentrating their outbound connecting bank to Brazil in the afternoon and evening is great because it's closer to the African departures thu
39 JJ8080: I don't understand why they are doing such thing, since the only poor-performer was LIS-NAT, that AFAIK, kept the same frequencies.
40 Hardiwv: This is a very good point. In fact there is no doubt that the higher utilisation rate of TAP fleet will lead to higher yields and maximisation of hub
41 JJ8080: Agree, it's smart to aim yields since they must not have the highest ones. However, I still think that NAT should have droped in favour of another de
42 Airbazar: According to the news, NAT is going back up to 4x weekly. http://www.opcaoturismo.com/noticia.php?id=15545 I think it's worth considering that some o
43 Hardiwv: I have information that NAT goverment spent a huge amount in promotional activities in Portugal. On the other hand, the reduction of charter flighst
44 LipeGIG: This is good news. I expect NAT to recover in the upcoming winter season when the traffic to Northeast is stronger. I'm sure that NAT (Rio Grande do
45 LatinThug: I've read recently that TAP are considering serving BEY (Beirut) as the next destination in the euro-med area. Do you think this would be a good optio
46 Hardiwv: Of course TAP did they homework. Brazil has the biggest Lebanese and Syrian community living abroad, mostly in Sao Paulo, and the market Brazil-BEY i
47 BuyantUkhaa: But MS already flies LIS-CAI. As said, VIE would be good, both for O/D and connecting two Star Alliance hubs.
48 LatinThug: what would be the benefits of serving CAI ??
49 JJ8080: I wrongly had in mind that it was already a 4x weekly service. Anyway, I hope LFs improve now with a bigger/better schedule and better overall market
50 LipeGIG: You will rely on BEL-Europa market as i doubt they will attract leisure traffic the other way. BEL is too limited, and with a little business market.
51 Hardiwv: I forgot MS already flies LIS-CAI in codeshare with TAP. I agree with Lipe and I do not think BEL would work and now is the wrong time to open any ne
52 LipeGIG: If they open LIS-POA-NAT-LIS, three days a week, to complement the service to NAT, this might work in my view. POA provides good cargo, good VFR beca
53 Rafabozzolla: Are you really suggesting that NAT bound pax should fly to POA and back??? If TP want to fly to southern Brazil, they now can with the overnights to
54 JJ8080: Your point is tottaly valid. Maybe, MAO would be a better tag than BEL... Plenty of eco-tourism and also some business... Sorry if I got you wrong an
55 LipeGIG: No, nothing changes on current LIS-NAT. I'm suggesting 3x weekly LIS-POA with return POA-NAT-LIS No, POA alone would take care of the flight LIS-POA.
56 Gayrugbyman: Why do TAP fly to places such as LUX, but not to major cities such as MAN/BHX or EDI? Can there really be a market betwen Portugak and Luxembourg?! Th
57 Airbazar: 13% of the population in Luxemburg is of Portuguese nationality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Luxembourger
58 LipeGIG: TP could use places like MAN and other market in UK and Europe to connect Portugal and also to feed their operations to South America, which could be
59 Hardiwv: " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugu...urger Luxemburg and Switzerland both have substantive Portuguese communities which explains wh
60 LatinThug: I believe TAP wont expand in the UK as they have a codeshare in place with BMI, that covers MAN BHX and EDI. Previously Portugalia had flights to MAN
61 LipeGIG: HAM is an interesting destination as there's a Portuguese community. TP already serve HAM. I believe what Hardi want to say was MAN and not HAM.
62 Hardiwv: Thanks, Lipe. I meant MAN. And as you point out I agree HAM must be a destination with good returns to TAP and surely some very good feed to Brazil.
63 LatinThug: where else in europe should TP expand?
64 Hardiwv: In my point of view: Europe - VIE, IST, DUS and Berlin. Rgs,
65 LipeGIG: Based on the potential of business to Brazil and some business to US and Angola Athens Stavenger (oil) Manchester Plus Istanbul Tel Aviv
66 Hardiwv: ATH has very poor yields, MAN has potential, while SVG has narrow traffic focused on oil and nowadays is very much a captive market of KLM and to les
67 LipeGIG: TP decided also to run LIS-GIG 10 weekly with 3 daylight operations LIS-GIG-LIS on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Therefore, GIG will have 12 week
68 LipeGIG: ATH is a low to middle yield but it's also high yield as wealthy individuals like to visit the country, and TP can attract the traffic to Brazil. SVG
69 LatinPlane: With regards to TAP's other African destinations, how are those perfoming? Particularly the countries that were ex-Portuguese colonies: Sao Tome & Pri
70 Hardiwv: Lipe, SVG is a very thin market and LIS is no hub to attract enough traffic from SVG. KLM has the hub location and density which makes SVG possible 4
71 LipeGIG: Load factor (average of the two directions) - June/09 Dakar - 73% Sal - 57% Bissau - 76% Casablanca - 65% Sao Tome - 70% Luanda - 73% Maputo - 86% Th
72 Hardiwv: ATH, VIE, IST have potential and in fact I think there is a chance for TAP-operated flight. Regarding a thin and narrow market such as SVG in which t
73 LipeGIG: So we disagree. I do believe there's market considering EWR, LAD, GIG and of course Portugal it self, to run a profitable operation SVG-LIS with ERJ1
74 WINGS: Would such a route even be profitable with an E145? I have serious doubts about this. Currently the F100 would likely be the best option, both in ter
75 LipeGIG: I considered a small plane, but even the F100 is a good equipment to perform such route. And i agree, considering E-Jets as the entry-level plane for
76 WINGS: I also agree. The E-Jets family would be the ideal aircraft for Portugalia's fleet renewal program. The F100 at times can be large for certain routes
77 LatinThug: when is the portugalia fleet renewal actually happening? this has been ongoing for years now... and how many aircraft would the go for?
78 LipeGIG: Agree, it's a better equipment (on a cost basis point of view) than a regional jet for 50 seats, and fits small markets and places with small runways
79 Airbazar: At this point I'm not so sure there will be a Portugalia left for much longer. The aquisition of PGA has caused nothing but trouble for TAP, and with
80 WINGS: While I agree that Portugalia have caused Tap some recent headaches, they are not in a position to weigh down Tap. The loss accounted by Portugalia i
81 Airbazar: That wasn't my point. My point is that TP won't be allowed to buy any new aircraft any time soon given the huge losses that they are experiencing. I
82 BuyantUkhaa: But TK already flies LIS-IST, and weren't they a Star Alliance partner already, or soon to be? Does the E145 have the range for that?
83 Hardiwv: I forgot about it. Is TK codesharing with TAP on LIS-IST? I think the major destination missing from TAP network is VIE which is also a Star hub. The
84 LipeGIG: Would be very good for both Embraer and even more to TAP. Europe is a very competitive market and many new routes for sure present possible daily loa
85 Hardiwv: Here are the number of July, another holiday month (with more demand for loads rather than premium seats) - Top routes (load factor) - 1. EWR-OPO 99%
86 Airbazar: I don't see TAAG affecting TAP all that much. Remember that SAA was operating a daily 744 on behalf of TAAG before ,so there's really not that big of
87 Hardiwv: I think there is a chance for more frequencies LIS-EWR. As I mentioned and you agreed, EWR seems the perfect destination for TAP to expand service be
88 C010T3: I'm sorry, but when did they stop exactly?[Edited 2009-08-21 06:02:55]
89 Hardiwv: Continental started LIS in 1997 and has continued service since with B757. My mistake, what happened is that in 2004 Continental and TAP terminated t
90 LipeGIG: Yes, it's a holiday month but they are able to charge a premium (peak season) plus, with planes full, they got some very interesting Y higher fares.
91 C010T3: It's funny how you have a problem with LIS. First, HAM and CAI weren't served from LIS, now, CO stopped flying EWR-LIS.
92 Hardiwv: You are completely right. TAP fares remain very high, for example, AMS-Northeast Brazil in Y for limited stay are currently EUR 2,400 or over USD 3,5
93 Airbazar: They already serve EWR twice daily (from LIS and OPO), plus CO serves EWR-LIS. I think they would be better off going after another connecting and O&
94 Hardiwv: In the case of TAP makes sense to cut capacity, from end August business demand picks up and has stronger demand. KLM for example will add capacity i
95 Airbazar: It would have to be a city with a good mix or O&D and *A connections. SFO, YYZ, and BOS come to mind as the stronger candidates. MIA would be another
96 Pyrex: What strong leisure demand from Portugal? I have yet to meet a Portuguese person that has either been to Miami or is remotely interested. Portuguese
97 Airbazar: You must not know the right people then There are charters between LIS and Florida (White flies to FLL, and other fly with charters out of Spain), an
98 LatinThug: Whats stopping TAP and SATA code-sharing on the LIS-BOS route ?? I think that would be the next logical step for TAP to take in the North American mar
99 Airbazar: Actually a small news article I read today hints that they may be starting new destinations this year as a tactic to combat the crisis: http://econom
100 LatinThug: Can you add to that information.... will the new destinations be long haul or in Europe/Med area?
101 Airbazar: The article doesn't hint at any specific destinations. It simply states that they may be opening up new destination still in 2009.
102 LatinThug: ok if i think logically... they dont have enough long haul aircraft to start a new far-away destination, therefore it must be in short-medium haul...
103 Hardiwv: Also considering that TAP will start operating LIS-GRU, LIS-GIG and LIS-BSB red-eye on both legs increasing ground time in these airports significant
104 Airbazar: Didn't they announce that they were parking aircraft this Fall as they reduce frequencies to their Brazilian cities? Also, doesn't OPO-EWR end at the
105 LatinThug: Where else in Northern Europe? They already fly to Copenhagen,Olso, Stockholm and Helsinki... are you suggesting St.Petersburg ???? as for Eastern Eur
106 Hardiwv: They will be used to run GRU and GIG because OPO-GRU/GIG will continue daylight and additional LIS-GRU/GIG flights will also operate daylight. In add
107 C010T3: Didn't you get the update? From 21/09 until 12/10 TP187 LIS 1100 1915 GIG 1__4___ TP188 GIG 2220 1200 LIS 1__4___ Effective 15/10 TP187 LIS 1100 1915
108 BuyantUkhaa: But those already have direct flights from their home carriers, and TP codeshares with PS on LIS-KBP. I agree that VIE would be the most obvious new
109 Hardiwv: TAP operations in Brazil after 12 October - GIG 12 weekly flights (7 red-eye and 5 daylight) GRU 12 weekly flights (7 red-eye and 5 daylight) BSB 6 w
110 Pyrex: Maybe, but the Disneyland and Caribbean cruise market is better served by charter airlines, no? You also have plenty of flights from LIS to Cancun, H
111 Airbazar: Every single A330/A340 flight arrives from Brazil/Africa/US early in the morning. MPM/JNB/LAD/GRU/GIG depart late at night. You will have at least 4
112 Hardiwv: There are plenty of routes which depart LIS in the morning: NE Brazil, CNF, additonal GRU/GIG daylight flights and even EWR, and then there is the in
113 Airbazar: I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that all of TP's arrivals are in the morning, so if a flight is departing at night that plane will have arriv
114 Hardiwv: I think you have a point, especially consideirng that KLM also operates with an extremely high aircraft utilisation ratio but maintains a very good o
115 BuyantUkhaa: And it seems they will, tomorrow and the day after. I can see why TAP is keen to get rid of them... http://dn.sapo.pt/inicio/economia/interior.aspx?c
116 Airbazar: Unfortunately TP can't get rid of Groundforce becuase they own it and as we know TP is a government company. At least this time the government seems
117 Airbazar: Looks like August performed slightly better than last year, at least in regards to passenger numbers: 1.7% increase compared with August 2008. Also of
118 LipeGIG: Also August show impressive growth on LAD route, that become the 2nd largest and probably will become the first soon. LAD, GIG and GRU (in alphabetica
119 Airbazar: With Europe continuously decreasing its dependency on foreign oil and increased use of renewable energy, that would mean that TP needs to extend its
120 LipeGIG: Agree, but i mean that Europe continue to provide substantial part of human resources required for the deep oil exploration. I can tell you Rio recei
121 C010T3: It's funny you should say that, because Galp's president said that Portugal has become self-sufficient in terms of energy because of Brazil: http://o
122 Airbazar: "Energy independence" is a very vague statement. What the article doesn't state is that the reason Portugal can achieve energy independence is becaus
123 WINGS: I don't believe that Portugal has reached the 40% target. I also believe that this figure only relates to ''electricity''. Regards, Wings
124 Airbazar: I think you're right nevertheless the march towards independence from foreign oil continues. The World's largest solar energy power plant is in Portu
125 WINGS: Correct. Correct. I have checked out the numbers, and I do believe that you are correct. Portugal apparently achieved this mark in 2008. We are now a
126 GayrugbyMAN: Is it true TP are to start LIS-LOS services again?
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