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BA's June Traffic Stats/Future Capacity  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bapress/public/en_gb

June traffic statistics

In June 2009, passenger capacity, measured in Available Seat Kilometres, was 1.7 per cent below June 2008. Traffic, measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometres, fell by 3.8 per cent. This resulted in a passenger load factor decrease of 1.8 points versus last year, to 79.6 per cent. Traffic comprised a 14.9 per cent decrease in premium traffic and a 1.3 per cent fall in non-premium traffic.

Cargo, measured in Cargo Tonne Kilometres, fell by 9.8 per cent.

BA have already grounded 16 aircraft. The remaining three mainline 757 aircraft will be grounded in summer 2010 and a further three 747-400s in winter 2010.

Manpower will reduce by approximately 3,700 in 2009/10. This is in addition to the reduction of around 2,500 achieved between June 2008 and March 2009.

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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9113 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2902 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
The remaining three mainline 757 aircraft will be grounded in
summer 2010

Does that include BPEK and BPEJ or are they classed as seperate now?



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2890 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):

Does that include BPEK and BPEJ or are they classed as seperate now?

They will remain with Openskies...


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9113 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2794 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 2):
They will remain with Openskies...

Ok then thanks. I was under the impression that all mainline BA 757's would be gone from the fleet by the end of Summer 2009. Was this ever correct and if so, when did it change?



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

They say numbers never lie however story can be manipulated and Willie is doing that at the moment either/or deliberately driving share price down and trying to use the economic conditions in an attempt to break the unions.

Of the 16 so called ground aircraft the majority 12 were Gatwick B733/B735 actually planned to be released ages ago.
2 B735 currently remain but should leave soon.
Only two B757 are currently stood down.
For the summer BA have increased the A319 fleet at Gatwick to cover former classic B737 routes however several will return LHR in the autumn also as planned reducing the Gatwick to 24 i think that about 5 or 6 frames but don't quote me on that -Also planned.

Those A319s returning to LHR will allow A320s to take over the Spanish/Finnish and Vienna services,allowing further B757s to stand down.

At the same time BA has actually added around dozen A320s including two used examples with a few MORE due in the autumn.

These plus the returned A319s should actually mean BA European ops at Heathrow will see a small drop in capacity on former B757 routes however contrary to perceived wisdom an increase in service with the transferred routes!

As to Long Haul the four new B772 aircraft are allowing few more B744s to be parked plus the spare for Gatwick should return with the canning of the JFK.
Again no frightening cuts in services to be expected .
(One of the Indian routes may be on notice however)

This is media manipulation at it best. Read due to the economic climate we have had to ground (think of a number) aircraft, but its not true is it?

They may have gotten a reasonable cash bonus from Fed Ex for those B757s and they are not going to sit in the desert are they.

I would however say the longer those B744s remain at CWL the less they are likely to return to traffic even more so with the "Freebie" B77Ws due next year


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9113 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 4):
At the same time BA has actually added around dozen A320s including two used examples

I like to think of those two as lost brothers that have returned to the fold after a slight midlife crisis.  Wink



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User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 4):
They say numbers never lie however story can be manipulated and Willie is doing that at the moment either/or deliberately driving share price down and trying to use the economic conditions in an attempt to break the unions.

I do personally agree, but at the same time believe that change in some areas is required.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2681 times:



Quoting 1peter (Reply 6):
I do personally agree, but at the same time believe that change in some areas is required.

Yes, and whilst change is very important, the way in which it is implemented is also vitally important.


User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 7):
Yes, and whilst change is very important, the way in which it is implemented is also vitally important.

Indeed.............!



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Air NZ
Quite right as of Tuesday am we have seen what is effectively a Lock out situation impossed by management.

The end of direct face to face negotiations in favor of ACAS mediation.

Regrettable this is leading in only one direction and August Bank Holiday disruption looms ominously close.

Can BA really afford any more damage to their public image .
Willie's actions seem to think so !


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3695 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

The one encouraging statement in BA's release is that traffic has remained constant for the last three months

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2410 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 9):
Regrettable this is leading in only one direction and August Bank Holiday disruption looms ominously close.

I completely agree. I honestly am somewhat perplexed (to put it mildly) at what BA management are playing at. I'm no union fanboy in the slightest, but my opinion is this is certainly not the time, nor certainly the way, for BA in particular to be going head-to-head. In my opinion, Walsh is taking a very dangerous set of gambles


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2396 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
Ok then thanks. I was under the impression that all mainline BA 757's would be gone from the fleet by the end of Summer 2009. Was this ever correct and if so, when did it change?

You are right all BA mainline 757's will leave the flight by end of this summer. The 2 Openskies aircraft have not formed part of the BA mainline 757 since there transfer. Those 2 aircraft now belong to Openskies.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3695 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2251 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11):
Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 9):
Regrettable this is leading in only one direction and August Bank Holiday disruption looms ominously close.

I completely agree. I honestly am somewhat perplexed (to put it mildly) at what BA management are playing at. I'm no union fanboy in the slightest, but my opinion is this is certainly not the time, nor certainly the way, for BA in particular to be going head-to-head. In my opinion, Walsh is taking a very dangerous set of gambles

Once again I am totally baffled by your analysis.
BA is a legacy airline with a long trail of baggage from its nationalised days. Its staff enjoy perks which are in the present business environment virtually unknown, except for government employees, and it is losing money.
Thus it is the definitely the time and place to to "go head to head" with the staff adn their unions, as BA management have a strong case. If they had tried to negotiate last year the Unions would have immediately countered by waving a piece of paper stating "£900 million profit" Hopefully for BA, if negotiations are put of for a year or two, there will be a profit once more.

Hardly a month goes by, without the media reporting another UK company which has closed down its defined benefit pensions scheme. Well th situation on that will soon change, as apart from BA, there only appears to be BT who also still offer one, and they are more or less up the same creek without a paddle.

In short BA despite what you keep telling us is basically a World class airline, offering a good product that in general passengers are prepared to pay for. It is however still saddled with much of its past, the crewing arrangements at LHR still reflect BOAC and BEA, but now they call it Eurofleet and World fleet !!! How can you this situation have been allowed to drag on for over 30 years. You can't blame WW for this, he was still in short trousers when his predecessors should have sorted it out.
It appears that many of the allowances are based on running a fleet of Britannias and such like, which used to end up diverted to the four winds, with worn out crews needing two days r&r before resuming work.
If aviation routes were still tightly regulated, BA could continue as it is, the public however won't stand it, and you in particular keep banging on about how other airlines ar so much better, and offer better routings from more airports etc. Of course they can, as they have more flexible staff, who provide more flexible working for significantly less pay.

Another aspect which is hard to justify in a modern environment, is just how much better renumeration is for the longest serving staff. It is natural in any business for long serving staff to have better pay and conditions, firstly because their length of service, is likely to result in them hlding more senior positions, and secondly because many employers reward long service with slightly better perks. With BA however it seems that these differentials are stretched way beyond what is considered the norm. It would not in any way surprise me if junior cabin crew at BA are little if no better renumerated than their counterparts at VS etc, just as I am sure that their seniors are at the very top of the pay scales.

At present the only thing which keeps BA's head above water, is its 40% plus slot allocation at LHR. This will always be sufficient to keep "London Airways" afloat. The travelling public however deserve better than this, the chance to fly consistently from LHR to many destinations on a World class airline. This can only come about if BA is dragged into the 21st century. If nothing changes BA will continue to dominate LHR, whilst offering increasingly dirty planes, staffed by increasingly surly staff, doling out an increasingly rubbsih product, all because they have staff cosst which swallow up the money their competitors are using to provide a better service.
Finally if BA at LHR isn't sorted out once and for all, there little chance of anything happening BA wise anywhere else, thus "London Airways" it would continue to be.

Of course that would please you no end, as a revitalised BA would leave you with very little to post on A net  banghead 


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2005 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
Once again I am totally baffled by your analysis.



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
In short BA despite what you keep telling us is basically a World class airline, offering a good product that in general passengers are prepared to pay for. It is however still saddled with much of its past, the crewing arrangements at LHR still reflect BOAC and BEA, but now they call it Eurofleet and World fleet !!! How can you this situation have been allowed to drag on for over 30 years.



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
Finally if BA at LHR isn't sorted out once and for all, there little chance of anything happening BA wise anywhere else, thus "London Airways" it would continue to be.

Of course that would please you no end, as a revitalised BA would leave you with very little to post on A net

Here here Bongodog, I argree with every word of it


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7743 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1820 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 4):
They say numbers never lie however story can be manipulated and Willie is doing that at the moment either/or deliberately driving share price down and trying to use the economic conditions in an attempt to break the unions.

You have said exactly this on Thursday in another thread. To repeat such an outrageous claim when history now shows that your view is exactly the opposite of what has actually happened suggests more than an ulterior motif. And, of course, it significantly devalues all the other views you have expressed however valid they might be.

Rather than reacting to Willie Walsh's comments by selling BA shares on Friday, there was a rush to buy them. Those prepared to put their money where their mouth is chased the BA share price up. As a result BA shares rose by 5.46%, a pretty good return in these days of histyorically low interest rates. This was the biggest gain by any FTSE 100 stock on the LSE on Friday and the biggest one-day gain by a FTSE100 stock for some time.

Oh. And by the way. If there had been even the slightest truth in your claim, Walsh would have had a cleaner death jumping out of his office window. Afterall the British Airways AGM is less than two weeks away. And there he has to face his bosses, the BA shareholders who you claim he is trying to do down.

Here is a link commenting on the very sharp jump in BA's share price:

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/090703/214/ing0e.html


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