AirmaleJUM From United States, joined May 2009, 40 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11694 times:
Does anyone remember crazy short flights that were widebodies! United and Delta come to mind when they used jumbos on short routes. United used a DC-10 from DEN-OMA and from ORD-CLE in the 1990s. Delta was flying MD-11s on DFW-ATL in 2003. They also used Tristars on many MCO and FLL flights from ATL. Delta had flight 227 ATL-DFW-SLC it was a Tristar for a long time then changed to a 757 then a 727. Those were the days. DFW-MCO would go back and forth between 1011s 767-200s and 300s and 757s. Even ATL-CVG had 767s and Tristars on it. DL16 HNL-DFW-ATL and DL17 ATL-DFW-HNL. If I remember the flights right, DFW-ATL had about 12-15 flights a day.
1 KYAir: Capacity and frequency - nirvana! I remember lots of L1011s while spotting at CVG in the 90's. I loved seeing DL landing lights stretching out for mil
2 AvConsultant: In 1993, DL operated an L-1011 FLL-MIA on Saturday nights. This was obviously for reposition.
3 Rutankrd: Didn't National use a DC10-10 from Miami to Tampa pre-history?
4 Type-Rated: Arond 1970 when the 747 began service it seemed it was a prestige thing with the airlines to have them. NW ran quite a few between ORD-MSP per day. Th
5 JoseMEX: I remember Eastern flying an A300 between IAH and SAT at some time.
6 BP1: UA used a DC-10 Kona to Hilo in the 1980's Today there is a 777 Maui - Kona on United. Cheers, BP1
7 Delta763: I remember when LGA used to be packed with DC-10s. I'd see them constantly flying over my old home in Yonkers. Now I don't think even 767s go there an
8 ItalianFlyer: Heck, DL even brought the L10 into KNOXVILLE (TYS) from ATL in the early 80s...(thanks in part to the K-ville Worlds Fair of 1982)
9 AA737-823: We also saw such great aircraft as the L10 on the route, the 772, the 764, and others. Well, actually, it's was AA's request for an aircraft that was
10 TravelExec: Believe it or not, JL still flies B747-300s, B747-400Ds, B767-300s, B777-200s & -300s on domestic flights for example from HND to ITM... a whole 45 mi
11 DeltaCTO: How about Delta Boston-Hartford - 2 L10's every day in 1979 http://www.departedflights.com/DL121579p11.html
12 Ridgid727: National used a DC10 from SAN-LAX. I flew on it as a child in 1973... They named their palnes and one I was on was "Tammy"
13 MKENut: I don't know if this counts but NW use to fly MIA-ORD on a DC-10 then continue on to MKE. They probably picked up PAX at MKE to continue on to MSP. I'
14 MtnWest1979: And Western flew DC-10s MIA-FLL on theri FLL-MIA-LAX trip. I would have liked to fly on NWs SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-MSP (or ORD) on the DC-10 in early 80s the
15 Spacecadet: I used to fly DC-10's EWR-ORD all the time. Nowadays you're lucky if you get a 757 on that route. A few times I flew 747's transcon, though that was h
16 N62NA: Yes. And at times, FLL-MIA too. The D10 and L10 were both designed to be able to meet the maximum weight requirements of LGA's "pier" runways - the p
17 HAL: After the sale of National to Pan Am, they sold that plane to AA, and re-registered it as N139AA. Unfortunately it drifted off the runway while landi
18 MSYtristar: The good old days of hour long (or less) widebody flights out of New Orleans... MSY-ATL: DL L10/767/763 (occasional 764 and M11 sub), EA AB3/L10 MSY-D
19 DLPMMM: I used to fly Pam Am from DTW to ORD on a 747 in the early 1980s. The plane was always pretty much empty.
20 ChrisNH: I did the vast majority of my business flying in the 1980s and 1990s...when it was still fun. Lots of neat stuff. Some included DL L-1011s and EA A300
21 TAN FLYR: For anumber of years TW in the 80's, TW ran an L10 DAY-IND-LAX..or once in while it would be CMH-IND-LAX. also ,as I recall there was L-10 and 767 ser
22 EA CO AS: As did EA for many years before their 1991 shutdown.
23 Type-Rated: I took that flight back in 1980. The route was PHL-IAH-SAT-LAX. That was my first trip in a A300.
24 YXwatcherMKE: MKEnut you are oh so correct, NW did do the MIA - ORD - MKE - MSP run with DC-10's and the other way down to MIA. Even before the DC-10 entering servi
25 Citation501SP: I believe EA would Overnight a L1011 in SYR back in the heyday of the late 70's early 80's
26 Maxpower1954: NAL flew the DC-10 MCO-TPA during 1974,,,
27 FCKC: BA with L10 and 747 LHR-CDG EI with 747 DUB-SNN IT with A300 ORY-SXB , ORY-LYS , ORY-BOD , ORY-BIQ KL with A310 SPL-CDG BR with A310 LGW-CDG LH with A
28 ABQ747: TW used to fly STL-ABQ with the B762 and L-1011.
29 Scanorama: QF used to (not sure if they still do) fly B763 SYD-CBR.
30 Danfearn77: We have ERJ's flying MAN-LHR! With the occasional 319! Was it JAL that flies the 747's on domestic routes?
31 Igneousrocks: Actually the flight was EA #59 JFK-IAH-SAT and EA#64 SAT-IAH-JFK-BOS. Stated with L1011 in 1977 and finished with and AB3 around '84. Of course, East
32 TrnsWrld: Not sure if it was scheduled or not but back in the 80's I remember flying on a 767-200 from STL to ORD on TWA. That was a fun flight.
33 ThegreatRDU: I know RDU had some...somebody help me out here
34 JAAlbert: I remember in the late 80s, AA flew its new 767 from SAN to LAX. I skipped the first day of law school just so I could fly the plane and see what the
35 WILCO737: Until 3 days ago LH used the A300 on short haul routes: FRA-HAM FRA-TXL FRA-LHR FRA-MUC These routes were served on a regular bases, but I flew on the
36 Mayor: It wasn't that so much as the fact that DL didn't operate any routes where they were economical. Thy operated them for 7 years, not really a short ti
37 MSYtristar: RDU-MCO had triple daily AA D10 service for a while. RDU-DFW had a D10, as well.
38 Mayor: Almost forgot.....DL had DC-10/L1011 service ORD-MSY and IIRC ORD-MEM in the mid 70s.
39 OzarkD9S: I recall that before TW sold ORD-LHR to AA, they used to run STL-ORD-LHR on a 747 for one summer at least.
40 KPHXFlyer: I remember taking my first 747 from PHX to LAS on America West back in 1989/1990
41 STT757: Eastern used to fly A300s and L1011s between Buffalo and Toronto, and between MIA and Freeport and Nassau.
42 MCIGuy: We had plenty of wide body traffic at MCI in the 70s but now that I think about it, I don't remember ever actually departing MCI on a wide body. Did D
43 Dc10rules: My first widebody flight was a D10 (UA) from DTW-ORD in 1996. To quote Archie Bunker, "those were the days"
44 Cha747: My favorite "domestic" wide body route from 1985 HNL-OGG and back on AA's DC-10....total flight time of 15 minutes. You could even listen to ATC throu
45 Pe@rson: Entirely intentional due to demand. I wonder what effect high-speed trains are having on demand for air travel between some key Japanese cities; for
46 JBirdAV8r: Back in the REALLY good days DL flew a daily L10 or two ATL-TYS...man, I wish those days were still here... Edit: whoops, see I was beaten to the punc
47 SierraAir: The only reason that existed is because up until recently, there was a mandatory stop requirement. Any flight to (and/or?) from Dublin was required t
48 _AA_777_MAN: DL operated regularly scheduled daily ATL-ORD with the L1011 it always parked at L10 at ORD. I remember summer or winter it would always have smokey e
49 Drerx7: When were 764s and M11s ever on the ORD schedules? I remember the L10 and I flew in on a 762 once from ATL and the return was swapped with a 763 - an
50 _AA_777_MAN: I never said that the 764 and M11 was on scheduled service I just said that we have had them there on scheduled flight numbers from ATL whether they w
51 AndrewUber: I've done a few Delta L1011 trips between ATL and TPA - not that long ago either (1999). Those were the days....
52 Rampart: There are plenty of examples of short tag-on flights. UA did one, for example, from DEN-COS-DEN on a DC-10, early 90's IIRC. It overnighted in COS. I
53 Nomadic: My first flight on a 747 was in the spring of 1970 on TWA from New York/JFK to Chicago. My father worked for the airline and we flew to Chicago for t
54 Atlanta: I flew many 767 flights on that route!!! I remember when the Eastern Shuttle used to be great to catch a widebody on a short route! I also remember w
55 Type-Rated: I always thought that DL bought the 747 to use on the ATL-DAL-LAX route, which seemed to be their most prestigious route at the time. I don't remembe
56 Mayor: DL had DC-10s on the SLC-ORD route, right after the WA merger. They were only on that particular route for a few months. IIRC, DL didn't have a LAX-H
57 N62NA: Gate "L10" for the DL L1011? That's nice!
58 Mayor: The Tristars, DC-10s and 747s also used to park at H11A/B before DL moved into L concourse. Are you sure there was a DL MD-11 at ORD? Since they were
59 Tymnbalewne: "Back in the day" I took NW3 fro JFK to IAD. It was a 747 and I believe the aircraft continued on to ORD, then NRT. C.
60 PDXBJV: How about all those airlines back in the day that would fly widebodies on the PDX-SEA route?? That seems like a pretty crazy route to do it on!
61 _AA_777_MAN: I know it was there at least once early 2000's, the 764 maybe at least twice. Again the M11 and 764 were never scheduled but it was still nice to see
62 STT757: CO would schedule 7-9 daily A300s between EWR and MCO during the peak Winter and Spring Break seasons, up until 1995. I flew them many times.
63 Bpat777: Back in the late 80's I remember flying an AA DC10 DFW-LGA. The flight continued to YYZ from LGA. If I remember correctly the flt number was 122
64 Aces727: Today AV operates the A330 between BOG and CLO (35 minute flight) as part of the BOG-CLO-MAD flight. In 2005 RG operated the 777 between GRU and GIG (
65 ItalianFlyer: Looking at the 3-1-1973 DL timetable on departedflights, i see that they flew the 747 from ATL to DTW and DC10 from BOS-PHL-MIA, BOS-LGA and LGA-MSY-I
66 28L28L: AA flew DC-10s on DFW-AUS/IAH/SAT throughout most of the late 1980s; 747s on ORD-DTW in early 70s and JFK-BDL in Summer of '73 Cheers.
67 WA707atMSP: In 1977, AA flew DC-10s BUF-ORD-LAX, and BUF-DTW-SFO. AA had TWO DC-10s overnighting at BUF every day!
68 Sspontak: I remember being on a TWA BOS to JFK flight operated by a 747. The flight was about 1/2 full and the FA actually were able to complete the beverage se
69 AVLAirlineFreq: AA operated DC-10s between BNA and DFW for a while in the late 80s/early 90s Nashville hub days. As mentioned above, they did the same between RDU and
70 Danielb: I can remember when AC used to bring their 762's from YYZ / YUL to YEG direct. That is very seldom now as you're lucky to even get an A321. Normally i
71 Ridgid727: In the 80's and early90;s they ran an L1011 on a morning flight from SLC-DEN. (I think it went on to JFK from there)
72 AirFRNT: I thought I read once that UA every now and then would run a DC-10 between DEN and COS.
73 Mayor: Well, you could be right. The only reason I remember is that they had a container loader on station, there in SLC and we borrowed it once (pre DL/WA
74 MogandoCI: Sorry for splitting hairs, but I believe ITM has instituted a 4-hauler ban (IIRC, due to noise), so no more 744Ds. AC continues to fly their transcon
75 ConvairNut: Well I know it has nothing to do with widebodies but regarding short hops.....does anyone remember when TWA used fly from Oakland to San Francisco? I
76 AADC10: The airlines touted their widebody domestic service back in the days of regulation. Because of limits on flights, widebodies were a way of increasing
77 CairnTerriAir: Over the years just out of BDL there were the following flights operated with widebodies **EA: L-1011's on the BDL-BOS-SJU run...as well as tags back
78 DocLightning: As late as 2002 NW operated a DC-10 on MSP-DTW. That was a fun flight.
79 EDICHC: 1988 on my first visit to the USA I flew MIA-MCO on an Eastern A300, the return was on a 727. Strangely those two flights were my only ones on those t
80 Golftango: Throughout the late 80s I was on several UA DC10 legs between BOS and ORD. I was also on several People Express 742 trips between LAX and EWR. Not tha
Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 4116 posts, RR: 11 Reply 81, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2892 times:
Quoting Golftango (Reply 80): As late as 1994 I took a DL L1011 from MCO to ATL (actually it was the same day as US Flight 427).
There were some DL schedules where EVERY flight ATL-MCO-ATL was a widebody.
I remember coming back from MCO in the early 90's and we got to the airport and the morning Tristar to ATL had been cancelled because of a mechanical delay. The flight we were listed for had a school group on it besides the pax from the cancelled flight. That flight left, without us, but when they fixed the first Tristar, they made it an extra section to ATL and took all of us, mostly non-revs.
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DCA-ROCguy From United States, joined Apr 2000, 3824 posts, RR: 53 Reply 83, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2851 times:
Another favorite A.net chestnut, along with the NW DC-9's and the wisdom-or-lack-thereof of Deregulation. But it's so much fun to talk about those happy days when airlines flew large a/c into medium-and-smaller markets, and on short hauls. It didn't just end with Deregulation, either, as evidenced by the many post-1978 examples listed above.
My hometown, ROC, only had a brief window of scheduled passenger jumbo-jet service, from 1972 to 1973. AA flew DC-10's--four daily--once each to LGA, ORD, CLE, and how's this for short--SYR. SYR was the last leg of an LAX-ORD-ROC-SYR run. (And you could pay $17 to fly it--fares listed in the back of the timetable!)
It's presumably more efficient and faster to just have the traveler go LAX-ORD, connect, and go ORD-ROC or ORD-SYR. And today there are more options. But it sure must have been fun for an enthusiast (I was too young and missed out) to have all those take-offs and landings in a jumbo jet that goes right to your own airport.
I've long thought that ROC got ripped off during this period. BUF and SYR both had jumbos through the 70's and BUF had them into the 80's. ROC's enplanements were typically comparable to SYR's (now have pulled decisively ahead due to bigger LCC presence and somewhat better economy). I have never been able to find any reason why either of these two markets, and others of similar size, should have held jumbos so long and ROC didn't. But we did have AA 707's until Crandall retired them all in 1981, and those were certainly great to see.
DocLightning From United States, joined Nov 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 43 Reply 84, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 74):
I can't imagine how chaotic the airspace in Japan would be if they fly 15-minute frequencies between Tokyo and Sapporo using E-jets......thank goodness for sensible slot-controlling policies (which we lack here in US due to all those obsessed with lasseiz-faire and infinite frequencies for the businessmen)
Amen, brothah! Say it! Say it loud!
Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 83): It didn't just end with Deregulation, either, as evidenced by the many post-1978 examples listed above.
Well, many widebodies stuck around, but those did so because they were there. NW had their DC-10's, so it made sense to use them. I was on many a full DTW-SFO flight on a DC-10. Now, there are 757's and A320's operating that route.
In the end, I don't care. I'm going to be jammed in a Y-class seat in a plane for 5 hours. Widebodies are not more comfortable because you are still disturbing your rowmates to allow you to get out of your seat and the waits for the lavs are longer. There is a higher probability that you will have neither an aisle nor a window. I love widebodies because they're cool, but they aren't necessarily better.
Jeffry747 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3 Reply 85, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
I remember as a kid flying good ole' Pan Am back and forth between JFK and IAH on 747 aircraft. At one point my grandparents (R.I.P) flew the route on a TWA L-1011. Over the years, the airlines flying the route downsized to 727s and MD-80s. Nowadays you might be lucky to get a 737.
Oh, and if you guys wanna see plenty of widebody action, just watch the freight dogs! Especially UPS, where now the only narrowbody in the fleet is the 757. UPS sends widebodies everywhere now. MD-11s fly SDF to MEM, MCO, DFW, CLE, MCI, STL, MSP, ORD, MSP, DTW. ONT, PHL, EWR. Airbus A300 to OMA, AUS, BWI, BOS, ICT, SGF, MKE, JFK. Boeing 767 to ONT, BFI, SAN, PHL.
I'm sure FedEx has widebodies going just about everywhere to.
BMI727 From United States, joined Feb 2009, 3108 posts, RR: 1 Reply 86, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 85): Especially UPS, where now the only narrowbody in the fleet is the 757.
That is true. I like going to STL to see the MD-11 and the pair of FX MD-10s that spend the day there. Heck, even PIA gets an A300 sometimes on RFD-PIA-SDF.
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DCA-ROCguy From United States, joined Apr 2000, 3824 posts, RR: 53 Reply 87, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2614 times:
I'm sure FedEx has widebodies going just about everywhere to.
A good point to remember, because that's how many medium-size markets get widebodies today. FedEx started flying A300-600's to ROC in 2001, and we've had them darkening our skies ever since. This year, ABX started flying 762's too.
In the end, I don't care. I'm going to be jammed in a Y-class seat in a plane for 5 hours. Widebodies are not more comfortable because you are still disturbing your rowmates to allow you to get out of your seat and the waits for the lavs are longer. There is a higher probability that you will have neither an aisle nor a window. I love widebodies because they're cool, but they aren't necessarily better.
Every type of plane has its strengths and weaknesses. I've never had trouble getting a window seat on a jumbo jet, but it's probably because I usually book far enough out. I love the feel of the wider cabin, with its straighter walls and higher ceiling, and the slower-feeling, heavier takeoff and landing. Y seating doesn't bother me, so I'm happy either way.
ATAflyer From United States, joined Jul 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 89, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2084 times:
In the mid-70's I wanted to fly TUS-PHX for a day of airplane watching. So I whipped out my Frontier Youth Fare Card (called the 'Cut-Out-Card') and boarded an AA DC-10 for the 30-minute trip....all of 8 passengers aboard and PHX was busy so we circled for another 30 minutes...I certainly got my money's worth on that trip! Returned in the evening on a Hughes Airwest DC-9...the perfect way to spend a day!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10659 posts, RR: 9 Reply 90, posted (4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2036 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 84): There is a higher probability that you will have neither an aisle nor a window. I love widebodies because they're cool, but they aren't necessarily better.
You're overlooking the 767 where 6 out of 7 Y class passengers have either an aisle or window, far better than a 6-abreast narrowbody.
ElDanno From United States, joined Jun 2009, 17 posts, RR: 0 Reply 97, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
My memory is foggy, as I was 5 at the time, but I seem to remember a widebody flight from CLE to ORD in 1984 on UA ... seems that my young mind remembered a staircase, wouldn't have been a 747SP, would it?
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4131 posts, RR: 8 Reply 98, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
Suprised no one has mentioned AA's intra-Texas DC-10 flights, like ELP-DFW or SAT-DFW (both of which I've flown on )...and they were operating into the early 1990's. I took my last AA DC10-10 hop on DFW-SAT in 1992 while reporting to Lackland Air Force Base
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WA707atMSP From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1055 posts, RR: 6 Reply 99, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting ElDanno (Reply 97): My memory is foggy, as I was 5 at the time, but I seem to remember a widebody flight from CLE to ORD in 1984 on UA ... seems that my young mind remembered a staircase, wouldn't have been a 747SP, would it?
UA did not fly 747SPs until after they purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986.
UA did fly 747-122s out of CLE regularly in the 1970s and early 1980s, to ORD, MIA, and possibly other cities.
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 96): Did IAH have BN 747 service? I thought it was all out of DFW.
Correct. I don't believe BN ever flew 747s to / from IAH on a scheduled basis. Can someone else confirm?
Ckfred From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 2 Reply 100, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1102 times:
Up until the late 90s, DL used to fly 3 types on ORD-ATL, 757, L-1011, and 767. Now, the largest plane is a 737-800, and there are a number of RJs on the route.
Up until the early 90s, AA used to fly nothing but DC-10s and 767s out of ORD to almost every city west of the Rockies. I think the exceptions were SNA and SLC.
If you see a widebody on a short domestic route today, it's basically a repositioning flight. AA flies a 777 R/T between ORD and DFW. My understanding is that a 777 comes out of the hanger at DFW, leaves for ORD at 1pm, then it goes on to LHR.
Meanwhile, a 777 arrives at ORD from LHR, then goes on to DFW around 5:15 and into the hanger for scheduled maintenance.
Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 4116 posts, RR: 11 Reply 101, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1065 times:
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 100): I think the exceptions were SNA and SLC.
The largest a/c I remember AA had as scheduled into SLC was a 727 and that was from the 80's, on.........now, I think the largest is an MD-82 (does AA have '88s?).
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DLDTW1962 From United States, joined May 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 102, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
DL had a flight from DTW-DAY-ATL. Also the same time had DTW - TPA. I think it was sometime in the late 1970's. I remember flight on both flights. That is when I fell in love with
the L-1011 Tristar.
474218 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 3722 posts, RR: 1 Reply 103, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1000 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 92): DL also flew Tristars LAX-SFO during the 70's, IIRC. This was before we had HNL service from anywhere, so this could have only been for positioning.
LTU use to fly L-1011-500's DUS-SFO-LAX and return. Because the LTU crew was out of time upon reaching SFO the contracted a Lockheed to supply flight crews to fly the SFO-LAX/LAX-SFO legs.
EjMDWfan From United States, joined Mar 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 104, posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 915 times:
My first flight was back in 1989 on a UA 767 from ORD to MCO. The return flight was a 727. Again in the fall of 1990 back from Orlando was also a 767 on UA. I want to say it was 1994 and a DL 767 form ORD to MCO. I have only flown domestically (and numerous times to MCO) and those were the only times I was ever on a widebody.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1821 posts, RR: 21 Reply 105, posted (4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 796 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 27): IT with A300 ORY-SXB , ORY-LYS , ORY-BOD , ORY-BIQ
Even better than this, before the merger with AF, in the mid 90s, IT used A330 on domestic routes. (not sure, but I think it was from ORY to TLS, MRS, NCE)
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