AirmaleJUM From United States, joined May 2009, 40 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11722 times:
Does anyone remember crazy short flights that were widebodies! United and Delta come to mind when they used jumbos on short routes. United used a DC-10 from DEN-OMA and from ORD-CLE in the 1990s. Delta was flying MD-11s on DFW-ATL in 2003. They also used Tristars on many MCO and FLL flights from ATL. Delta had flight 227 ATL-DFW-SLC it was a Tristar for a long time then changed to a 757 then a 727. Those were the days. DFW-MCO would go back and forth between 1011s 767-200s and 300s and 757s. Even ATL-CVG had 767s and Tristars on it. DL16 HNL-DFW-ATL and DL17 ATL-DFW-HNL. If I remember the flights right, DFW-ATL had about 12-15 flights a day.
KYAir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 361 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11645 times:
Capacity and frequency - nirvana!
I remember lots of L1011s while spotting at CVG in the 90's. I loved seeing DL landing lights stretching out for miles on approach and trying to guess types. In those days, many of them were heavies. Ahhhhhh....
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Type-Rated From United States, joined Sep 1999, 2265 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11530 times:
Arond 1970 when the 747 began service it seemed it was a prestige thing with the airlines to have them. NW ran quite a few between ORD-MSP per day. They also had a huge artists conception of a NW 747 behind the ticket counter at MSP.
DL, TW,AA, BN all had the 747 for awhile. DL discovered that the -100 series was not very economical and got rid of them pretty quick. A few others did the same as well.
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Delta763 From United States, joined May 2008, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11372 times:
I remember when LGA used to be packed with DC-10s. I'd see them constantly flying over my old home in Yonkers. Now I don't think even 767s go there anymore. I think DL pulled theirs out shortly after I went back there in 2005.
Wasn't it one of AA's original DC-10 requirements the ability to fly in and out of LGA?
We also saw such great aircraft as the L10 on the route, the 772, the 764, and others.
Quoting Delta763 (Reply 7): Wasn't it one of AA's original DC-10 requirements the ability to fly in and out of LGA?
Well, actually, it's was AA's request for an aircraft that was both big and capable of doing LGA that led to the development of BOTH the DC-10 and the L-1011. Thus, both airplanes had to be very similar, as they were both targeted at a very specific requirement.
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TravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 354 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11182 times:
Believe it or not, JL still flies B747-300s, B747-400Ds, B767-300s, B777-200s & -300s on domestic flights for example from HND to ITM... a whole 45 minute long flight...
Some of these are 3 class aircraft with F, C & Y class, and the B777-300s are 10 abreast in Y with 500 seats (78 C, 422 Y). They get 546 pax (80 C, 466 Y) into the B747-400Ds.
I think that ANA also use jumbos on domestic flights...
MKENut From United States, joined Jul 2007, 471 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11113 times:
I don't know if this counts but NW use to fly MIA-ORD on a DC-10 then continue on to MKE. They probably picked up PAX at MKE to continue on to MSP. I'm not sure since I always got off at MKE.
N62NA From United States, joined Aug 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10932 times:
Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 3): Didn't National use a DC10-10 from Miami to Tampa pre-history?
Yes. And at times, FLL-MIA too.
Quoting Delta763 (Reply 7): Wasn't it one of AA's original DC-10 requirements the ability to fly in and out of LGA?
The D10 and L10 were both designed to be able to meet the maximum weight requirements of LGA's "pier" runways - the portions of the runways built out on piers over the water.
Here's some other short widebody flights from the past:
NW D10 PHL-EWR
EA L10 BDL-JFK
AA D10 BDL-JFK
UA D10 LAX-LAS
EA AB3 LGA-BOS
AA D10 SYR-BUF
AA D10 LGA-BUF
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 14): I would have liked to fly on NWs SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-MSP (or ORD) on the DC-10 in early 80s they flew for awhile.
I think at one time or another that flight ended at EWR.
I had made a comment in my thread "The Dismal State of Flying In the USA" that perhaps the airlines were ahead of their time back in the 70s when they had all these widebodies flying domestically - and some on very short routes too. The frequency wasn't as high back then as it is today, but then again, the delays weren't nearly as commonplace or horrendous then as they are today either.
HAL From United States, joined Jan 2002, 1789 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10749 times:
Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 12): National used a DC10 from SAN-LAX. I flew on it as a child in 1973... They named their palnes and one I was on was "Tammy"
After the sale of National to Pan Am, they sold that plane to AA, and re-registered it as N139AA. Unfortunately it drifted off the runway while landing in DFW in 1993, collapsed the nose and left main gear, and the plane was written off.
HAL
One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
ChrisNH From United States, joined Jun 1999, 3176 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10676 times:
I did the vast majority of my business flying in the 1980s and 1990s...when it was still fun. Lots of neat stuff. Some included DL L-1011s and EA A300s between BOS-LGA. Lots of UA DC-10s and 767s. Today, airlines don't flaunt anything but their own ineptness. It seems like they're all in a never-ending contest to fly the smallest possible plane on the longest possible route.
TAN FLYR From United States, joined Aug 2000, 1489 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10676 times:
For anumber of years TW in the 80's, TW ran an L10 DAY-IND-LAX..or once in while it would be CMH-IND-LAX. also ,as I recall there was L-10 and 767 service from STL to IND.
Also AA ran DC-10 from ORD to IND...it was usuallly the tail froma red-eye from SFO-ORD..then on to IND. It became the 10 am or so to ORD then back to California.
YXwatcherMKE From United States, joined May 2007, 211 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9860 times:
MKEnut you are oh so correct, NW did do the MIA - ORD - MKE - MSP run with DC-10's and the other way down to MIA. Even before the DC-10 entering service NW did the route with 747's I did the trip 5 times from MKE to MSP & 3 time to MIA. That was a fun time to see those planes at MKE not only did NW have the 747's and DC-10's but so did UA to DEN and EA to ATL with their L1011 for one summer that was a site to see because that was before the big change to the terminal and the "C" concourse was that metal ground level walkway to the plane.
I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
Citation501SP From United States, joined May 2000, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9790 times:
I believe EA would Overnight a L1011 in SYR back in the heyday of the late 70's early 80's
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26 Maxpower1954: NAL flew the DC-10 MCO-TPA during 1974,,,
27 FCKC: BA with L10 and 747 LHR-CDG EI with 747 DUB-SNN IT with A300 ORY-SXB , ORY-LYS , ORY-BOD , ORY-BIQ KL with A310 SPL-CDG BR with A310 LGW-CDG LH with A
28 ABQ747: TW used to fly STL-ABQ with the B762 and L-1011.
29 Scanorama: QF used to (not sure if they still do) fly B763 SYD-CBR.
30 Danfearn77: We have ERJ's flying MAN-LHR! With the occasional 319! Was it JAL that flies the 747's on domestic routes?
31 Igneousrocks: Actually the flight was EA #59 JFK-IAH-SAT and EA#64 SAT-IAH-JFK-BOS. Stated with L1011 in 1977 and finished with and AB3 around '84. Of course, East
32 TrnsWrld: Not sure if it was scheduled or not but back in the 80's I remember flying on a 767-200 from STL to ORD on TWA. That was a fun flight.
33 ThegreatRDU: I know RDU had some...somebody help me out here
34 JAAlbert: I remember in the late 80s, AA flew its new 767 from SAN to LAX. I skipped the first day of law school just so I could fly the plane and see what the
35 WILCO737: Until 3 days ago LH used the A300 on short haul routes: FRA-HAM FRA-TXL FRA-LHR FRA-MUC These routes were served on a regular bases, but I flew on the
36 Mayor: It wasn't that so much as the fact that DL didn't operate any routes where they were economical. Thy operated them for 7 years, not really a short ti
37 MSYtristar: RDU-MCO had triple daily AA D10 service for a while. RDU-DFW had a D10, as well.
38 Mayor: Almost forgot.....DL had DC-10/L1011 service ORD-MSY and IIRC ORD-MEM in the mid 70s.
39 OzarkD9S: I recall that before TW sold ORD-LHR to AA, they used to run STL-ORD-LHR on a 747 for one summer at least.
40 KPHXFlyer: I remember taking my first 747 from PHX to LAS on America West back in 1989/1990
41 STT757: Eastern used to fly A300s and L1011s between Buffalo and Toronto, and between MIA and Freeport and Nassau.
42 MCIGuy: We had plenty of wide body traffic at MCI in the 70s but now that I think about it, I don't remember ever actually departing MCI on a wide body. Did D
43 Dc10rules: My first widebody flight was a D10 (UA) from DTW-ORD in 1996. To quote Archie Bunker, "those were the days"
44 Cha747: My favorite "domestic" wide body route from 1985 HNL-OGG and back on AA's DC-10....total flight time of 15 minutes. You could even listen to ATC throu
45 Pe@rson: Entirely intentional due to demand. I wonder what effect high-speed trains are having on demand for air travel between some key Japanese cities; for
46 JBirdAV8r: Back in the REALLY good days DL flew a daily L10 or two ATL-TYS...man, I wish those days were still here... Edit: whoops, see I was beaten to the punc
47 SierraAir: The only reason that existed is because up until recently, there was a mandatory stop requirement. Any flight to (and/or?) from Dublin was required t
48 _AA_777_MAN: DL operated regularly scheduled daily ATL-ORD with the L1011 it always parked at L10 at ORD. I remember summer or winter it would always have smokey e
49 Drerx7: When were 764s and M11s ever on the ORD schedules? I remember the L10 and I flew in on a 762 once from ATL and the return was swapped with a 763 - an
50 _AA_777_MAN: I never said that the 764 and M11 was on scheduled service I just said that we have had them there on scheduled flight numbers from ATL whether they w
51 AndrewUber: I've done a few Delta L1011 trips between ATL and TPA - not that long ago either (1999). Those were the days....
52 Rampart: There are plenty of examples of short tag-on flights. UA did one, for example, from DEN-COS-DEN on a DC-10, early 90's IIRC. It overnighted in COS. I
53 Nomadic: My first flight on a 747 was in the spring of 1970 on TWA from New York/JFK to Chicago. My father worked for the airline and we flew to Chicago for t
54 Atlanta: I flew many 767 flights on that route!!! I remember when the Eastern Shuttle used to be great to catch a widebody on a short route! I also remember w
55 Type-Rated: I always thought that DL bought the 747 to use on the ATL-DAL-LAX route, which seemed to be their most prestigious route at the time. I don't remembe
56 Mayor: DL had DC-10s on the SLC-ORD route, right after the WA merger. They were only on that particular route for a few months. IIRC, DL didn't have a LAX-H
57 N62NA: Gate "L10" for the DL L1011? That's nice!
58 Mayor: The Tristars, DC-10s and 747s also used to park at H11A/B before DL moved into L concourse. Are you sure there was a DL MD-11 at ORD? Since they were
59 Tymnbalewne: "Back in the day" I took NW3 fro JFK to IAD. It was a 747 and I believe the aircraft continued on to ORD, then NRT. C.
60 PDXBJV: How about all those airlines back in the day that would fly widebodies on the PDX-SEA route?? That seems like a pretty crazy route to do it on!
61 _AA_777_MAN: I know it was there at least once early 2000's, the 764 maybe at least twice. Again the M11 and 764 were never scheduled but it was still nice to see
62 STT757: CO would schedule 7-9 daily A300s between EWR and MCO during the peak Winter and Spring Break seasons, up until 1995. I flew them many times.
63 Bpat777: Back in the late 80's I remember flying an AA DC10 DFW-LGA. The flight continued to YYZ from LGA. If I remember correctly the flt number was 122
64 Aces727: Today AV operates the A330 between BOG and CLO (35 minute flight) as part of the BOG-CLO-MAD flight. In 2005 RG operated the 777 between GRU and GIG (
65 ItalianFlyer: Looking at the 3-1-1973 DL timetable on departedflights, i see that they flew the 747 from ATL to DTW and DC10 from BOS-PHL-MIA, BOS-LGA and LGA-MSY-I
66 28L28L: AA flew DC-10s on DFW-AUS/IAH/SAT throughout most of the late 1980s; 747s on ORD-DTW in early 70s and JFK-BDL in Summer of '73 Cheers.
67 WA707atMSP: In 1977, AA flew DC-10s BUF-ORD-LAX, and BUF-DTW-SFO. AA had TWO DC-10s overnighting at BUF every day!
68 Sspontak: I remember being on a TWA BOS to JFK flight operated by a 747. The flight was about 1/2 full and the FA actually were able to complete the beverage se
69 AVLAirlineFreq: AA operated DC-10s between BNA and DFW for a while in the late 80s/early 90s Nashville hub days. As mentioned above, they did the same between RDU and
70 Danielb: I can remember when AC used to bring their 762's from YYZ / YUL to YEG direct. That is very seldom now as you're lucky to even get an A321. Normally i
71 Ridgid727: In the 80's and early90;s they ran an L1011 on a morning flight from SLC-DEN. (I think it went on to JFK from there)
72 AirFRNT: I thought I read once that UA every now and then would run a DC-10 between DEN and COS.
73 Mayor: Well, you could be right. The only reason I remember is that they had a container loader on station, there in SLC and we borrowed it once (pre DL/WA
74 MogandoCI: Sorry for splitting hairs, but I believe ITM has instituted a 4-hauler ban (IIRC, due to noise), so no more 744Ds. AC continues to fly their transcon
75 ConvairNut: Well I know it has nothing to do with widebodies but regarding short hops.....does anyone remember when TWA used fly from Oakland to San Francisco? I
76 AADC10: The airlines touted their widebody domestic service back in the days of regulation. Because of limits on flights, widebodies were a way of increasing
77 CairnTerriAir: Over the years just out of BDL there were the following flights operated with widebodies **EA: L-1011's on the BDL-BOS-SJU run...as well as tags back
78 DocLightning: As late as 2002 NW operated a DC-10 on MSP-DTW. That was a fun flight.
79 EDICHC: 1988 on my first visit to the USA I flew MIA-MCO on an Eastern A300, the return was on a 727. Strangely those two flights were my only ones on those t
80 Golftango: Throughout the late 80s I was on several UA DC10 legs between BOS and ORD. I was also on several People Express 742 trips between LAX and EWR. Not tha
81 Mayor: There were some DL schedules where EVERY flight ATL-MCO-ATL was a widebody. I remember coming back from MCO in the early 90's and we got to the airpo
82 747400sp: DL used to fly SAN-LAX with L1011 until around 97or 98. It was to connect San Diego passengers to HNL.
83 DCA-ROCguy: Another favorite A.net chestnut, along with the NW DC-9's and the wisdom-or-lack-thereof of Deregulation. But it's so much fun to talk about those hap
84 DocLightning: Amen, brothah! Say it! Say it loud! Well, many widebodies stuck around, but those did so because they were there. NW had their DC-10's, so it made se
85 Jeffry747: I remember as a kid flying good ole' Pan Am back and forth between JFK and IAH on 747 aircraft. At one point my grandparents (R.I.P) flew the route on
86 BMI727: That is true. I like going to STL to see the MD-11 and the pair of FX MD-10s that spend the day there. Heck, even PIA gets an A300 sometimes on RFD-P
87 DCA-ROCguy: I'm sure FedEx has widebodies going just about everywhere to. A good point to remember, because that's how many medium-size markets get widebodies tod
88 Bmacleod: AC used to have 747s on their Rapidair YUL-YYZ service until 1998 when the 747 "Classics" were retired... Today the Rapidair service is lucky to get o
89 ATAflyer: In the mid-70's I wanted to fly TUS-PHX for a day of airplane watching. So I whipped out my Frontier Youth Fare Card (called the 'Cut-Out-Card') and b
90 Viscount724: You're overlooking the 767 where 6 out of 7 Y class passengers have either an aisle or window, far better than a 6-abreast narrowbody.
92 Mayor: DL also flew Tristars LAX-SFO during the 70's, IIRC. This was before we had HNL service from anywhere, so this could have only been for positioning.
94 Fxramper: What a fantastic idea for a thread; great history lesson. I recall the countless Eastern and colored Braniff widebodies in Houston.
95 Ridgid727: We cannot forget America WEst and their 747 from LAS-PHX (in late 1989 early 1990) it left LAS at about 1:30am and got into PHX at about 3:30am
96 Type-Rated: Did IAH have BN 747 service? I thought it was all out of DFW.
97 ElDanno: My memory is foggy, as I was 5 at the time, but I seem to remember a widebody flight from CLE to ORD in 1984 on UA ... seems that my young mind rememb
98 KELPkid: Suprised no one has mentioned AA's intra-Texas DC-10 flights, like ELP-DFW or SAT-DFW (both of which I've flown on )...and they were operating into th
99 WA707atMSP: UA did not fly 747SPs until after they purchased Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986. UA did fly 747-122s out of CLE regularly in the 1970s and early 198
100 Ckfred: Up until the late 90s, DL used to fly 3 types on ORD-ATL, 757, L-1011, and 767. Now, the largest plane is a 737-800, and there are a number of RJs on
101 Mayor: The largest a/c I remember AA had as scheduled into SLC was a 727 and that was from the 80's, on.........now, I think the largest is an MD-82 (does A
102 DLDTW1962: DL had a flight from DTW-DAY-ATL. Also the same time had DTW - TPA. I think it was sometime in the late 1970's. I remember flight on both flights. Tha
103 474218: LTU use to fly L-1011-500's DUS-SFO-LAX and return. Because the LTU crew was out of time upon reaching SFO the contracted a Lockheed to supply flight
104 EjMDWfan: My first flight was back in 1989 on a UA 767 from ORD to MCO. The return flight was a 727. Again in the fall of 1990 back from Orlando was also a 767
105 Teva: Even better than this, before the merger with AF, in the mid 90s, IT used A330 on domestic routes. (not sure, but I think it was from ORY to TLS, MRS
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