Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1864 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2565 times:
I've wondered extensively if Alaska Air Group has considered operating an aircraft in the 100 seat category. Unbeknownst if there's even a realistic market for that capacity in the AS/QX system
I've heard extensively about the airlines commitment to aircraft in the 738 size range as they move away from the 73G/ 734 platform.
Seems like the 737s are well suited to most of their operations. And in lower capacity markets such as PDX, Horizon's smaller aircraft capacity seem to fill-in rather nicely at non-peak times of day, or even on specific routes during the year hence the bay area entirely operated by QX now.
Is AAG in a financial position for such an expenditure to bring a new jet on property? Nonetheless one would have to acknowledge that an airline in AS position would probably be reluctant to spend money on new capital costs.
Personally I wonder if utilizing the Q400's on routes over 500 miles actually provides the Air Group an efficiency platform superior to having a regional jet on property.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2558 times:
IIRC, the F28's were 100 seaters....Or were they 90 seaters? I forgot. But why would the AAG want a 100 seater when they are going more towards the Q400s and 738 platforms, while some 73G's were phased out of the fleet?
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Ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1008 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2501 times:
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2): Horizon's F28s were showing 69 seats. Not sue if that was the -1000 or -4000s. Wasn't much difference betwen the two though. Sure miss hearing those quiet jets LOL!
I flew on those quite a bit from BOI to SEA and PDX. They were nice, fast, and Noisy.
Best thing was the QX Snack BAsket which always featured "Hazel Nuts" from Oregon, and a bottle of wine from Ste. MIchelle or Ste. Chapelle Vinyards
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28617 posts, RR: 84 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2501 times:
Quoting Flyboy80 (Thread starter): I've wondered extensively if Alaska Air Group has considered operating an aircraft in the 100 seat category.
I would think this is unlikely. I know many people in AS' Fleet Management and Revenue Management departments and their studies have shown that their 157-seat 737-800 is the optimal plane for their system, with trip costs very similar to their 124-seat 737-700, but offering more revenue potential thanks to the 4 extra First Class and 29 extra Economy Class seats. I have heard that AS have subsequently changed their remaining 73G orders over to 738s.
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
About 2 years ago there was internal discussion of possibly getting a 3rd
party to operate 100 seaters for AS in markets where QX jets don't have enough
capacity but aren't profitable enough for AS jets to operate.
This was before oil skyrocketed and the economy tanked so it hasn't been pursued
actively for some time.
Jetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
I think a 100 seat A/C would be perfect for AAG, operated by Horizon which obviously has lower costs than Alaska. Consider an Embraer 190 in a dual-class configuration (9FC/88CC). They are a supremely comfortable aircraft in both cabins and are incredibly versatile. Air Canada uses the 190 on SEA-YYZ, which is a good indication of the range capabilities. While Alaska can and does provide marginal frequencies to cities like DFW, ORD etc, a 190 could fill in the gap during periods when loads are thinner and could also be a great aircraft to launch new routes with. Of course, this would require a lot of thinking outside the box and will not likely happen.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6): offering more revenue potential thanks to the 4 extra First Class and 29 extra Economy Class seats.
This is true only if those extra seats are actually purchased. The four extra seats in First Class go to complimentary upgrades (as do the majority of other FC seats) more times than not. Alaska should have no more than 12 First Class seats on any airplane. Until they do, there is no incentive to make it a true premium product and likewise there will be complaints about the lack of a real First Class Product. My Now flame away!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28617 posts, RR: 84 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 11): This is true only if those extra seats are actually purchased. The four extra seats in First Class go to complimentary upgrades (as do the majority of other FC seats) more times than not.
Depends on the routes. AS transcons, for example, often sell out the First Class cabin which makes the complimentary upgrades harder. And even if the F seats go out at the cost of an Economy seat, that still frees up an Economy seat that can at times be re-sold. And if all the AS Mileage Plan elites have upgraded and there are still seats left, AS can get an extra $50+ by offering them to passengers at check-in.