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Welcome, Delta, To The Six Continent Club!  
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

With its newly inaugurated service to Australia, Delta thus becomes the first U.S. airline in over 20 years to operate scheduled passengers service to all six continents simultaneously (no haggling about Antarctica, please).

For two decades, membership in the vaunted Six Continent Club ( as it was dubbed by yours truly, http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/02/03/askthepilot172 ) has been the exclusive province of a small handful of Asian, European, and Middle Eastern carriers. Delta becomes the first U.S. member since the legendary Pan Am. And it achieves this status, by the way, independently of any routes from Northwest, with whom it is in the process of merging.

As for why the average American citizen might care, let's go back for a moment to the weeks and months following the terrorist attacks of 2001. As a nation we were becoming increasingly withdrawn and insular, at times xenophobic, and the nation's airlines curtailed many international routes. One of Delta's first moves, for example, was the elimination of Dubai and Cairo from its network. If on one hand this made sense for the bottom line, it struck me as counterintuitive to the long-term sensitivities of geopolitics -- and was furthermore anathema to everything I believe in as an pilot and avid traveler.

Well, that was then. The turnaround has been fairly unprecedented. The effects of the ongoing economic malaise notwithstanding -- and indeed they are serious -- Americans have turned out to be a lot less squeamish than I had feared. And Delta more than anybody has been taking advantage. It is back to Cairo and Dubai, not to mention routes into Jordan, Israel, and several cities in sub-Saharan Africa.

Prior to 2006, the total number of African cities served by * any * major U.S. airline stood at exactly zero, and had been that way for 15 years.

In celebrating this, we need to take pride not only in ourselves, as citizens, but in our airlines as well. That's a very tough task for the average disgruntled traveler, but love them or hate them, airlines are more than mere corporations. They operate, in a sense, as de-factor ambassadors, carrying the flag -- and us -- to the world's far corners. Pan Am did this with an almost mythic dignity and flair, its trademark once as globally recognized as that of Coca-Cola. That will never be matched in quite the same way, but give credit where it's due.

Everybody hold hands now and feel the love...

Okay, maybe I'm too romantic, and possibly delusional, but hopefully you'll see my point. It’s so easy to take flying for granted, but how can a traveler not appreciate the fact that countries and cultures, separated by once-insurmountable distances, are now so eminently connectable? And it’s the airplane -- these beautiful machines -- that make it happen. Flying to all the continents? No matter which ever airline gets your money, it's a rediscovery of adventure -- the thrill of striking out somewhere new. Isn’t that what travel is all about? Isn’t that what airplanes are for?


The other Six Continent Club Members, last I knew...

British Airways
Emirates
Malaysia Airlines (still?)


And.... who am I missing?


Patrick Smith


Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Delta's SkyTeam partner Korean Air is also in the Six Continent Club.

Aside from plenty of Asian destinations, they serve (amongst others) LAX, LHR, CAI, SYD and GRU.


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10941 times:

Thanks. I didn't realize KL now served GRU or CAI.


P



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10900 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 2):
I didn't realize KL now served GRU

KE operates LAX-GRU a few times a week.


User currently offlineGabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3222 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10742 times:

Qantas too. They fly to JNB, EZE, LHR, LAX, SIN and SYD!


http://my.flightmemory.com/shefgab Upcoming flights:LHR-VIE-PRN,SPU-OSL-LHR,STN-SNN-STN,LHR-ARN-OSL-TOS-LYR-OSL-CPH-LHR,
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6318 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

And add South African Airways too

User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10245 times:

Welcome Aboard ,Delta Airlines to the club.


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

Finally Delta is a member!!!!!  champagne 

Hopefully they will stay a member for a very long time!!!!

Atlanta



Welcome To The New Delta- The World's Largest Airline
User currently offlineExtspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10087 times:

I thought TUI group, however as a single entity, they no longer serve Oceania after Corsairfly pulled out of New Caledonia, but were in the past. At the moment both Corsairfly and Thomson Airways are in the 5 continent club, which was something I wasn't expecting.


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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Are any major European airlines looking into Oceanic services...

...maybe LH, AF* or KL?


*AF serves French Polynesia.



seemyseems
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8801 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 9):
*AF serves French Polynesia.

This is going to come down to definitions, but French Polynesia is not on a continent. Australia is a continent, Oceania is a region. If we count Air France because it flies to French Polynesia, we should also count Virgin Atlantic because it flies to Tobago (which I would argue is closer both physically and culturally to South America than French Polynesia is to Australia)...

Obviously this is a bit of a stretch too, but you could argue Qantas flies to all seven continents (assuming you subscribe to the seven continent model) if you count the sightseeing flights to Antarctica. Granted, these are offered by a travel agency (Croydon Travel) and not by Qantas themselves, and the aircraft doesn't land there, but you definitely descend over the continent, and it is about as close as someone can get to Antarctica in a commercial flight...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Yes, AF belongs to that club too. French Polynesia is considered part of Oceania.

User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8736 times:

Hate to be picky, but Oceania is not a continent, it's a geographical region. Unless AF serves Australia then it can't claim the six continents club.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5051 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8732 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):


Prior to 2006, the total number of African cities served by * any * major U.S. airline stood at exactly zero, and had been that way for 15 years.

TWA served Cairo, Egypt, African Continent up until 2001.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Considering the US is the largest economy in the world with the most diverse population and the largest air travel market, it seems quite appropriate that a US carrier should be a member of the six continent club.

The fact that it is Delta Air Lines (three words), the least "chosen" of the current big 3 based on the routes received early in its history, it is clearly remarkable indeed. DL has had a long history of being a global airline and has now achieved it. DL has built a global network based on a lot of expansion which still has allowed DL to achieve this position despite pulling back a number of routes because of the current economic downturn. Even before the NW merger and this year's international expansion, DL flew more route miles than any other airline in the world.

Well done, Delta!


Where in the world does Delta fly? Just about anywhere you want. (used in DL ad campaigns after the PA asset acquisition).


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8414 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):

Where in the world does Delta fly? Just about anywhere you want. (used in DL ad campaigns after the PA asset acquisition).

^^^ yawn..... and you would have to go all out of your way to ATL just to get there... not the best deal I would say for more then half of the USA


User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
No matter which ever airline gets your money, it's a rediscovery of adventure -- the thrill of striking out somewhere new. Isn’t that what travel is all about? Isn’t that what airplanes are for?

NIcely said. People may often think that flying in an airplane is like taking a bus (and in certain parts of the world, that may be true), but one should never forget the remarkable development and advancement of the airplane over the past 30 - 40 years and what that now allows us to achieve - whether it be as passengers or freight.

[Edited 2009-07-05 05:49:03]


One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8374 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):

The other Six Continent Club Members, last I knew...

British Airways
Emirates
Malaysia Airlines (still?)


And.... who am I missing?

Qantas and as VirginFlyer points out they also do Scenic flights to Antarctica (but don't land for obvious reasons)



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 842 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Do Emirates not qualify now or are theys still missing somehwere?

Thanks



The best way forwards is upwards!
User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8323 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 15):
^^^ yawn..... and you would have to go all out of your way to ATL just to get there... not the best deal I would say for more then half of the USA

Not really true... Most European and African routes are served from JFK which is not out of the way for about 95% of the country... Most South American routes are served from ATL which is not out of the way for about 90% of the country... The new Australian route is served from LAX which is not out of the way for 100% of the country... and the Asian hub is served from SEA, SLC, SFO, LAX, MSP, DTW, ATL and JFK which is also pretty damned convenient, isn't it?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8256 times:



Quoting Sbworcs (Reply 18):
Do Emirates not qualify now or are theys still missing somehwere?

Thanks

Not sure if they operate to South America? Think they operate to Rio possibly?



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8251 times:

You can't count the Antarctica flights- AR/LA/QF all fly over it- none land on it.

So currently we have BA, DL, EK, KE, MH, QF, SA. QR soon.

[Edited 2009-07-05 06:42:45]

User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Qatar Airways will soon join the club by adding services to South America and Australia.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
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Delta has managed to do what merger mania in teh USA hasn't achieved until now. In 1988 then Pan Am CEO Tom Plaskett tried to merge with NW, to give Pan AM Asian routes again, it didn't happen. The next year NW was buyout in an LBO by a group of investors including KLM, where the famous alliance started. Delta has a from the Northwest merger gotten a presence everywhere, Japan especially. One thing I love about teh NW merger often ignored is the strong presence at LHR; JFK, ATL, MSP and DTW are now served from London's premier airport. Delta has done two great things though, its ATL is second to none for connectoins and turned Atl into a "Miami north" for Latin America.

User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8048 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
Well done, Delta!

 checkmark   checkmark  Delta has always been a world-class carrier, with this merger and integration with NW, Delta truly gets to expand its horizons globally and provide an excellent service.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 15):
and you would have to go all out of your way to ATL just to get there... not the best deal I would say for more then half of the USA

ATL is a very easy airport to get to, and it is very easy to connect in ATL on Delta or any other carrier.

Atlanta



Welcome To The New Delta- The World's Largest Airline
25 AirNZ : With all due respect, and in all seriousness, when has Delta ever been a world class carrier? What are you comparing it relative to to arrive at that
26 Atlanta : A solid Business class, expanding into Africa before any other U.S. carrier had tried again, opening new successful routes in Africa, South America,
27 Danfearn77 : The continent is Australasia. But that is a by-topic, i hate it when it turns into a continent arguement!! Well done to Delta anyway
28 Coalways : Ummm successful routes have u seen the list of longhual routes they cute? PVG, ICN, BOM, CPT, DKR. DL has grown there network to fast and is now slas
29 Atlanta : Korean Air and DL both operated ICN-ATL, now DL just puts there code on the KE flight. Either way, it is not DL's fault, the economy proved the route
30 Post contains links VirginFlyer : I agree, although I was not referring to regular flights that overfly the Antarctic continent but rather the Antarctic sightseeing charters which ope
31 PlunaCRJ : They operate to GRU nonstop from DXB with 77Ls. Regards,
32 Atlwest1 : Ummm Delta is a world class carrier. They have beeen running a hub that EVERY airline envies and tries to copy ala DUBAI. Yes the soft product can alw
33 Atlanta : That was the exact point I was trying to make. Atlanta
34 Danfearn77 : Just quoting Mrs Morgan. My trusted georgraphy teacher! Seriously though, in school over here, certainly up to 16yr old it is referred to as Australa
35 AusA380 : Australasia and Oceania are not continents. Australia is a continent (the smallest - of note also known as the largest island). Austalasia is generall
36 Zkpilot : " target=_blank>http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/ Actually none of those flights to South America fly over it... they do fly quite far South howev
37 MilesDependent : Let me play Devil's Advocate. What about the UK, is that part of Europe? Technically I guess it is not. So if QF ever ditch FRA, they would no longer
38 Zkpilot : Yes it is considered to be part of the Europe continent. All that has happened is that the English Channel has been worn away by glaciers and then th
39 OzGlobal : Good for Delta if they can make it work and good for Oz to dilute the QF monopoloy. However, I don't think your logic follows: Americans are quite mo
40 WorldTraveler : Funny, though, DL's ATL hub is probably the highest revenue hub in the US... its size and international reach more than dwarf other hubs which are mo
41 MogandoCI : Joining the 6-con club is one thing.... being able to sustain LAX-SYD and not axing it within 4 months "due to economic conditions" is another. Out of
42 Atlwest1 : I think Delta will be fine. Yes Virgin can connect to Virgin America but where does it fly? A token jfk service and a shuttle service to Sfo? DL has t
43 Jetlanta : American are quite modest international travelers primarily because no nation on Earth can match the diversity of domestic attractions that the U.S.
44 OzGlobal : Yawn, A patriotic opinion. Inbound tourist stats don't necessarily support this view. Again, some good patriotic support of the industry, but most ho
45 Post contains links Jetlanta : Then please share these "stats". If Americans don't travel internationally, and don't travel domestically, where do they travel? How does a nation wi
46 AirNZ : I would disagree with that as any sort of major reason......a large percentage of Americans don't travel much, if at all, outside their own state so
47 Notdownnlocked : A large point missing for this topic is the amount of vacation days per average of each country. The US is usually quite low especially compared to ot
48 AirGabon : And AF former flights to New Caledonia? It's very near Australia. And for a long period after having bought UTA, AF flew to Australia, NZ, New Caledon
49 Jetlanta : Love your use of facts and data here. Very convincing. A "large percentage" of Chinese people are poor. I guess that means that the Chinese have no m
50 Atlwest1 : The statement that US citizens dont travel beyond there own state is absolutely ridiculous. If that was the case I-75 I-20 and I-85 or I-95 wouldn't b
51 Post contains links OzGlobal : Stats: World Tourism Organization Barometer 2008 (link below) p13 Tourist spend by country for 2007: take only the top 20 EU countries vs the US. Eur
52 Atlwest1 : Could it be that Emirates and such are not widely know here in the US. Yes there are some who know but there brand recognition is small with the vast
53 OzGlobal : Again, air travel in Australia, Russia, China, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Japan, South Africa and numerous other countries is mainly d
54 Atlwest1 : The motive of Delta's Syd route is Connections from the entire DL network which yes is far more vast then Qantas and so thus the oppurtunity for poten
55 Viscount724 : But it doesn't make sense to fly to the world's far corners while losing millions of dollars doing it. Pan Am had very few solidly-profitable years d
56 Jetlanta : Completely disingenuous argument. Your data is for INTERNATIONAL tourism. Somebody crossing from Luxembourg to France is included in that data. But s
57 OzGlobal : Only results speak for themselves. All my life I have heard from Americans how they lead the world in business and how we should listen and learn. So
58 Atlwest1 : Once again Delta has 3 factors to pull from but keeping it international for a sec. They can connect pax from the entirety of the international netwo
59 DFWEagle : Come on, are you seriously claiming that BA’s sudden change in fortunes is entirely due to US-EU open skies, and nothing to do with the global econ
60 Conti764 : Not to be picky on details, but two out of three are wrong. The EU economy is larger than the US economy and the EU has a more diverse population. It
61 Conti764 : We're talking about money and jobs here, maybe it isn't the best moment to try?
62 OzGlobal : At last some reality is returning to the discussion. Never said American business was worthless, but it's revealing that I'm interpreted that way. A
63 Lufthansa : I would just like to add something here regarding the US market. It hasn't been allowed to reach equalibrium. Two things. Firstly Chap 11 has allowed
64 Post contains links Jetlanta : So who will you ask advice from this year? Are the people that LH dumber this year than last? AF? And since the U.S. carriers are generally projected
65 Jetlanta : True. And this has been going on for 30 years. We see much the same behavior in the E.U. these days. Alitalia. Olympic. Austrian. Etc.. The primary d
66 Atlwest1 : I don't have an insular view far from it. As I stated yes foreign management might be able to teach a few things and might be able to help improve on
67 AirNZ : Sorry, but could you explain that one for me? How could they have had a long history of being a global airline if they have just now achieved it? Yea
68 OzGlobal : Again, careful not checking. For what it's worth, the IMF cites the EU economy (not Eurozone which is roughly = to the US economy) as almost 30% larg
69 Atlwest1 : Delta isnt doing Anything that British Airways, Emirates, Ethiad, Singapore, Air France, asnd scores of others arent doing as we speak. And not Virtu
70 OzGlobal : " target=_blank>http://www.businessweek.com/managing...0.htm It's quite a good and interestingly written article on the straight jacket a US airline
71 OzGlobal : Not in my experience. In France for example, I found people find superlatives somewhat adolescent. Talking in superaltives (biggest, most..est) is a
72 Atlanta : Sorry, but you never have been one nation unlike the U.S. Atlanta
73 Atlwest1 : Mr. OzGlobal sir I am always careful well usually lol ive been known to pontificate rarely though. My comment still in someways stand. Separately the
74 Jetlanta : With all due respect, name one major global airline outside of the U.S. with a route network NOT centered on one primary hub. Delta's network is far
75 Jetlanta : So? The point is you speak of the failure of U.S. airline managers as if they are incompetent. As if all it would take is a successful foreign CEO to
76 OzGlobal : Agreed. But the industry was deregulated in Australia 20 years ago (a much smaller market, you'll tell me), but your theory is that all markets must
77 Jetlanta : They certainly are caught up in a vicious cycle. But you'd be surprised how much new blood flows through the industry. The blood of managers who've n
78 Panamair : Indeed, witness how virtually no European carrier (except perhaps for Virgin) was screaming for cabotage rights and the ability to compete in the dom
79 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : I see the new route is dropping to six times weekly for a period of nearly three months http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/ As per GDS INVENTORY display
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