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Taca Starting Lima-Guayaquil-Cali  
User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Starting in August 16th Taca will start it's new flight LIM-GYE-CLO with the following schedules:


Lima - Guayaquil 10:38
Guayaquil - Cali 13:35
Cali - Guayaquil 16:00
Guayaquil - Lima 18:35


Flights will be operated 4x (Sun, Tu, Wed, Fri). Great to have a new airline in CLO and start having decent direct connections to cities in the Andean Region.

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User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

That is great. Is TAME still opearting CLO-Ecuador flights? I believe Cali has always been linked to Ecuador with direct flights, I remember back in the early 1990's AA had an Airbus A300 that started in LAX continued to MIA down to CLO and finalized in GYE, it didn't last long.

User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 4357 times:



Quoting Aces727 (Reply 1):
That is great. Is TAME still opearting CLO-Ecuador flights?

Yes, they are still operating a 3x operation between Cali - Esmeraldas - Quito. They stop the flights in May because of the AH1N1 Flu, but they will be resumed in July.

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 1):
continued to MIA down to CLO and finalized in GYE, it didn't last long.

Correct, that was when AA just opened flights to Latin America. They stopped because what AA really wanted was to have a separate operation between CLO/GYE and MIA


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4318 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 2):
They stopped because what AA really wanted was to have a separate operation between CLO/GYE and MIA

Was the CLO-GYE portion profitable? If they could get local traffic rights, could they launch one-stop flights like this throughout South America?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

I see an interesting move on TACA here:

The TA LIM-GYE flight would be adding the new tag-on heading to CLO in order to exploit better their assets. The current plane remains grounded a lot of hours at GYE tarmac in order to connect it with their evening departures at LIM which occurs mostly at [21:00 - 22:00].

CLO is likely not getting a strong market out of LIM in order to supply dedicated flights at this time. As a resemblance, TA commenced to fly to Asuncion in 2008, but the flight is actually including a stop in Montevideo because the shortage of demand. No traffic right between ASU-MVD and back.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

When are the schedules going to be published??

Just check in 1A and there is no flights yet.

TBYO787


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4223 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 5):
When are the schedules going to be published??

Actually I took those schedules from Taca website itineraries.

Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 5):
but the flight is actually including a stop in Montevideo because the shortage of demand. No traffic right between ASU-MVD and back.

Although I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong..) that Taca could transport pax from CLO to GYE.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

It's interesting how MDE and CLO are being added to the network on TA.
Another remarkable fact is that both MDE and CLO are not getting direct services from Central America for the time being on TA from either SAL or SJO. In other words, LIM is the initial objective for the mentioned Colombian destinations in order to provide immediate connections to the rest of its network located mainly in Deep South America through TACA system.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

The Flight is on the timetable but not saleable yet.

** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** CLO CALI.CO 16AUG09 23AUG09
1 *TA 138 2357 LIM CLO 1038A 325P 1 16AUG09 30OCT09 319 4:47

The flifo shows restricted for and SUBJECT TO GOVERMENT APPROVAL.

=============================================================
DOTA138/16AUG
* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * TA 138 41 SU 16AUG
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LIM 1038A SU CLASS NOT AVAIL-) 319 2:10
GYE 1248P SU 135P SU CLASS NOT AVAIL-) 0:47 1:50
CLO 325P SU 4:47

COMMENTS-
1.LIM GYE - OPERATED BY TRANS AMERICAN AIRLINES - TACA PERU
2.GYE CLO - OPERATED BY TRANS AMERICAN AIRLINES - TACA PERU
3.GYE CLO - TFC SUBJ GOVT APPROVAL
4.ENTIRE FLT- 9/ NON-SMOKING
5.LIM GYE - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
6.GYE CLO - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE

CONFIGURATION-
319 C 12 Y 108
============================================================

GYE CLO Segment is restricted.

Flight will be operated by a A319.

Regards,
TBYO787


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4040 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 8):
GYE CLO Segment is restricted.

TA LIM-MDE commenced as dedicated flights and operating as 4x weekly, but the airline turned its initial purpose and for the time being it is routed as TA LIM-UIO-MDE 6x weekly, face to face with LA LIM-UIO-MDE 7x weekly.
It's not strange the intended TA LIM-GYE-CLO which makes a resemblance with the mentioned TA LIM-UIO-MDE.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4033 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
TA LIM-MDE commenced as dedicated flights and operating as 4x weekly, but the airline turned its initial purpose and for the time being it is routed as TA LIM-UIO-MDE 6x weekly

The MDE route has been operating in a A320 lately though.


SA.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
nother remarkable fact is that both MDE and CLO are not getting direct services from Central America for the time being on TA from either SAL or SJO

TA intends to connect SJO and MDE via PTY from middle September through Lacsa E190 service. The current bilateral allows a Costa Rican airlines to do this 3 times a week, with fifth freedom rights to and from PTY. Only snag is that it imposes that the airplane should not have more than 50 seats. Given that the flight is already on the timetable, I should think that this ridiculous condition is either being waived or the bilateral has been recently updated. I expect that the official request will be heard at Aerocivil's next public audience.

Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 6):
Although I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong..) that Taca could transport pax from CLO to GYE

It can indeed, just as it can carry MDE-UIO passengers.

[Edited 2009-07-06 10:47:53]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3984 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
Only snag is that it imposes that the airplane should not have more than 50 seats. Given that the flight is already on the timetable, I should think that this ridiculous condition is either being waived or the bilateral has been recently updated.

Hi Summa767, how are you doing? That is interesting information about the bilateral agreement between those countries. Where have you obtained the bilateral agreement information? Can you provide me with links to South American bilateral agreements?

A388


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3933 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 12):
Where have you obtained the bilateral agreement information? Can you provide me with links to South American bilateral agreements?

Hello A388. I certainly have a link to Colombia's Aerocivil that lists the different bilaterals it has with different countries. Brazil and United Arab Emirates have been recently updated, but they are not yet reflected on the versions online:

http://portal.aerocivil.gov.co/porta...erales%20de%20Transporte%20A%E9reo


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3901 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
The current bilateral allows a Costa Rican airlines to do this 3 times a week, with fifth freedom rights to and from PTY.

The possible TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 3x weekly looks like very unappealing as compared with CM/P5 PTY-MDE 21x weekly in terms of the possible amount of traffic carried out between Panama City and Medellin.
The route between SJO and MDE will also try to catch some traffic for their inbound flights at SJO; especially if the intended flight would have early departures and returning around 17:00 to San Jose, Costa Rica.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3850 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 13):
Hello A388. I certainly have a link to Colombia's Aerocivil that lists the different bilaterals it has with different countries. Brazil and United Arab Emirates have been recently updated, but they are not yet reflected on the versions online:

http://portal.aerocivil.gov.co/porta...E9reo

Thanks Summa767. Does the new bilateral between Colombia and Curacao allow fifth freedom rights to other airlines besides AV/4C and the local airlines in Curacao (9H & 7I)? Is the bilateral in the link you provided the updated version or the old version? Are AV/4C/P5 and 9H the only airlines allowed to fly between Colombia and Curacao on a scheduled basis?

A388


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3837 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
Does the new bilateral between Colombia and Curacao allow fifth freedom rights to other airlines besides AV/4C and the local airlines in Curacao (9H & 7I)?

No mention of 5th freedom rights on passenger services (only very limited 5th freedom for cargo)
So I guess only Colombian and Dutch Antilles airlines can carry passengers between the 2 countries, and there are still some frequencies to be allocated. Some more for BOG when its international terminal is operating (maybe 3 yrs away).

"open skies" between Cartagena, San Andres, Santa Marta and Armenia and the Dutch Antilles.

This does look like an updated version of the treaty.
AeroRepublica has a weekly frequency assigned, but has yet to start operations.


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
The possible TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 3x weekly looks like very unappealing as compared with CM/P5 PTY-MDE 21x

Correct, I do not see logic in Taca´s move here, when pax from MDE have at least two daily choices to connect to SJO trough CM´s hub in PTY (still with plenty of capacity). And even if there are possible connections from SJO, I´m pretty sure they can´t match those offered from PTY.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3809 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 17):
Correct, I do not see logic in Taca´s move here, when pax from MDE have at least two daily choices to connect to SJO trough CM´s hub in PTY (still with plenty of capacity). And even if there are possible connections from SJO, I´m pretty sure they can´t match those offered from PTY.

I am sure passengers won't complain about having too much choice and competition!
I wholeheartedly welcome Taca's attempt to provide a non-stop alternative to Copa's link between MDE and PTY, even if it's only 3 times a week (restricted by the bilateral agreement)
as well as the most convenient routing to SJO on those days.Most important is the competition provided that allows the market to expand, It's good to have TA, as AV had planned to start MDE and CLO to PTY, but as ever, they seem to have got cold feet.

We have yet to see if Aerocivil will let them. They already thwarted AM's attempt to serve MDE from MEX (which they planned for last February), but given the unwarranted delays and hurdles, swine flu came and AM's expansion plans were curtailed.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3788 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 16):
AeroRepublica has a weekly frequency assigned, but has yet to start operations.

Does P5 have plans to start flying to CUR? I wasn't aware of that. I do know they used to fly to CUR in the past so maybe they are just holding on to their rights to fly to CUR but not having plans to fly to CUR (?)

A388


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3741 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 19):
Does P5 have plans to start flying to CUR? I wasn't aware of that.

They applied for a weekly frequency. I guess they do intend to use it, but it may not necessarily be soon. They also have a few other authorities that they have not showed any sign of opening.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3730 times:

Seems like TA is really putting pressure on CM these days. Payback time for how CM invaded their territory the last few years?

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3715 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 20):
Quoting A388 (Reply 19):
Does P5 have plans to start flying to CUR? I wasn't aware of that.

They applied for a weekly frequency. I guess they do intend to use it, but it may not necessarily be soon. They also have a few other authorities that they have not showed any sign of opening.

Nice, I will ask around here in CUR. It would be nice to see them here!!!

A388 Big grin


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4556 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

One of the classic flights on TA is scheduled as follows:

LR 693.........SJO 10:35..........PTY 12:50...........Daily
LR 692.........PTY 17:00..........SJO 17:15...........Daily

The addition of the possible tag-on heading to MDE will allow a better utilization of the plane, while it is currently grounded at PTY tarmac more than five hours.
It's the same situation with the new connections to Colombia from Ecuador and routed as TA LIM-UIO-MDE and the upcoming TA LIM-GYE-CLO.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3523 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
I am sure passengers won't complain about having too much choice and competition!
I wholeheartedly welcome Taca's attempt to provide a non-stop alternative to Copa's link between MDE and PTY, even if it's only 3 times a week (restricted by the bilateral agreement)

Certainly!, but what I´m questioning here is the "business" sense of this decision, because I´m pretty sure you agree with me that there seems to be no logic here.

Not only that, but from the passengers perspective, in one hand you have an airline offering three daily operations to PTY plus multiple connections (including SJO), aproximately 60% utilization and on the other hand you have another airline with a 3x flight......which one you as a passenger will pick? I think the decision is pretty straightforward


25 Summa767 : Aa I understand it,currently Lacsa has the plane resting in PTY awaiting its return leg at a suitable time (near 5 pm -good for business pax and conn
26 Clo1973 : I seriously doubt Taca will get enough revenue to even pay for variable costs of the flight (i.e fuel, landing rights at MDE) in which case makes mor
27 2travel2know : If PTY-MDE-PTY is timed to connect with TA LIM-MDE-LIM, I bet those TA PTY-Southamerica passengers (yes there're some, TA does offer cheap fares betw
28 Summa767 : We will have to see about that, but I see no reason why TA could not pick up enough passengers to make the extra legs worth it. O&D MDE-PTY for teh f
29 OP3000 : Its tough to see why that plane sits for 5 hours in PTY, given all the potential 1-2 hour flight options TA would have Southbound or to Central Ameri
30 2travel2know : There're not that many destinations TA/LR could fly that aircraft which are allowed for 5th liberty. I would think there'll be problems with more fre
31 SJOtoLIR : The interest for TA in parking the plane five hours at PTY tarmac is basing in the chance to allow immediate connections out of SJO and heading to th
32 Clo1973 : Indeed very good news for CLO. Do you know the frecuencies x week in LANs route? schedule? where did you see it? I know about the Taca flights howeve
33 Clo1973 : I found the information about LAN flights to Cali, starting August 15th in A319. LA2588 - Monday, Thursday, Saturday LIM-UIO 19:50 22:05 UIO-CLO 22:45
34 SJOtoLIR : The same situation when both LP LIM-UIO-MDE and TA LIM-MDE commenced simultaneously at the same time in 2008. Regarding the late arrival and early de
35 RCS763AV : Good news for Cali. Let's see if there will actually be enough treffic to sustain both flights, given the times (read: the colombian economy is absolu
36 Summa767 : Indeed. The worrying thing for AV is that it is actually losing more connecting traffic than it is actually gaining, and that trend will continue, wi
37 Clo1973 : Of course I do not expect those routes, and the reason is simpler than what you have stated. LA and TA do not have major int'l operations outside LIM
38 RCS763AV : What Avianca needs to start doing is serve secondary cities in other south american countries, as they are doing with Valencia, Venezuela. Go with Br
39 SJOtoLIR : AV has expanded its presence in Central America by means of code-share cooperation with TA. With that being said, destinations as Guatemala City, Man
40 RCS763AV : No one will do Central America-SJO-BOG-somewhere else. The only pax AV might be carrying through that codeshare is low-yield O/D.
41 777jaah : I took SJO-BOG in January and flight was 100%. Had the chance to have a few words with the station manager @ SJO and he said that flights were always
42 RCS763AV : That might be, but what i'm saying is that no one is double-connecting these days.
43 SJOtoLIR : Update: Lacsa on behalf of GRUPO TACA has undisclosed the intended schedule for the tag-on into Panama City and Medellin, Colombia as an extension fo
44 757MDE : Do you have any numbers of the route performance when it was direct? I remember watching the flight arrive with an apparently healthy load but don't
45 Summa767 : Indeed Aerorepublica had some problem in Mexico (something to do with its ownership not being Colombian), but it was certainly not Aeromexico's fault
46 757MDE : Absolutely, it was a clear case of governments having a tit-for-tat. I don´t think it´s fair to deny legal things to AeroRepública either because
47 Clo1973 : This is what happens when a low cost competitor enters the market. Spirit fares have estimulated the demand because (as an example) VFR traffic that
48 SJOtoLIR : Sorry, I don't. TA LIM-UIO-MDE seems like a downgrade for those passengers connecting into [LIM-MDE] and reverse. However, LP LIM-UIO-MDE is also ope
49 757MDE : Yeah, I was interested on the performance of the direct MDE - LIM route though. Thanks a lot anyway!
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