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The Greening Of The Air: Irish 19/09  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Good morning folks and I hope you're all enjoying the Summer weather; welcome to our next dose of airborne Irishness!

Not a lot of news happening right now; the being Summer, things are just moseying along. FR has just announced a new base at Oporto, its 33rd and its fleet is now approaching the 200 mark.

SNN has just announced the opening of its new t/a CBP, which DUB will also have when T2 opens late next year. Passing T2 on the way into DUB, it's patently clear how well it's coming along; similarly, if you have a left side seat on t/o from 10 ...

We still await the results of EI's root and branch examination of its operations and next week, we will also see its new CEO appointed: it's a brave person who'll accept that appointment in the current market conditions.

Let's hope 19/09 sees some good news and positive developments in Irish aviation, whatever the source ...

Here's a link to 18/09, if anyone wants to refer back:
Irish 18/09 A Coming Of Age. (by BrianDromey Jun 27 2009 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2009-07-04 23:10:31]

257 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Good morning Kaitak and all.

Well off on my first EI flight in about 2 months today!

Just a comment AmericanShamrok from your last postings, and please don't take it badly, as I do have a lot of respect for your postings... From last thread:

Quote:
I firmly believe that, even though EI are privatised now, "owe nothing to the people of the west" and all that malarchy, they're still our national airline and instead of expanding out of Ireland, they should sort out their difficulties IN Ireland first.

Firstly I recognise I'm a Dublin man, but in all fairness, this whole SNN should be treated well I do and don't necessarily agree with. I agree that EI is our national airline, while some at FR don't see it this way anymore. But... just look at other European "natioanl" airlines and their lack of l/h flights from other airports. Take France for example. They're l/h services are restricted mainly to Paris. TLS has a much larger catchment area than SNN, around one and a half million just for Toulouse and its surrounding towns, and when openning out to say a 100 km radius, probably at least double that, and no l/h services by AF. Of course, they have a huge CDG and ORY-TLS service. What about IB in Spain? Nearly all from MAD, and I think a couple from BCN... Nothing from AGP for example, with a catchment area also probably larger than DUB. So national airlines, mostly privatised these days, are business, and must operate to make profit and survive. I'm sorry, but I firmly believe national airlines owe nothing to regional areas except to make themselves a viable national airline and ensure their business product survives.
Ok, you probably hate me after that comment, but please don't AmericanShamrok! Just had to say it!



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11716 times:

Quoting (Reply 1):
EI are privatised now ...:..., they're still our national airline and instead of expanding out of Ireland, they should sort out their difficulties IN Ireland first.

I hate to say it, but Aer Lingus is no longer the national airline. It is a publically listed company, and it owes it to its shareholders to do anything and everything that it can to provide a return to them.

WRT services which are in the national interest or regional interest, the onus is on government or local administrations to ensure that these are in place. IF (and I mean "if") there is a national or local interest for services to be in place which are not there because natural market forces are not making them happen, then the intervention should be made by government, not by companies. This can be done either by creating a new state airline (which Aer Lingus used to be, but is not any more) or by way of tendering out subsidies - like the Kerry/Galway/etc routes, which by the way were not taken up by Aer Lingus...

The truth is [and this from an economist who usually believes in market forces and private enterprise over national champions and central planning] the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea. That is because the airline was more than a company, it was a social good providing public service.
Before privatisation, it was a fairly decently run airline which (although suffering from some union induced wage inflation which is a general malaise in govt run organisations in Ireland and needs to be fixed generally) provided public service to the nation by;
- Adding to brand "Ireland"
- Providing the government with a tool for the promotion of the tourism industry which has been core to the economy for so long
- Providing public service for the west through SNN etc

And don't get me started on ESOP... handing free equity which belongs to us as taxpayers to employees who are in a priviliged position of working for a semi-state, just for being there... NUTS!

Anyway - back to the original point... the Aer Lingus of today as a privatised , public listed company owes nothing to the state, and cannot nor should not be expected to fulfill public service needs in Ireland. If they can make more money out of flying MAD-IAH than keeping employees happy in ORK or flying LGW-AGP instead of running SNN-LHR then that is exactly what it must do - it owes this to its shareholders.

Rant over... apologies if I have offended any delicate spirits - this post not aimed at anyone in particular... pls send all hate mail to the usual address...

[Edited 2009-07-05 03:37:16]

User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11704 times:

I love the weekends at DUB in the summer time, I know its very very busy and can be quite stressful but its great to see so many excited people heading away on their holidays. I espeically love the reaction from kids when the see planes, or how excited they get when its time to get on!

Its a great athmosphere, one of the main reasons I love working in the airport so much, hopefully Ill stillhave the opportunity to do so for as long as possible, I think by the time this thread is wrapped up Ill havesome news on my job.

im off to the German GP next weekend, I have the pleasure of flying with Lufthansa DUB-FRA-DUB, I flew with them 3 years ago and they were quite good, hopefully not much has changed.

Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11696 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
I think by the time this thread is wrapped up Ill havesome news on my job

 crossfingers  Hope you hear some good news Shamrock

Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer

Going to London for a weekend in August (21st-23rd) for the first Arsenal home game of the season. Then its a week in Majorca in late September.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26913 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11675 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?

Lots of un planned mini breaks I think. Cant plan too far in advance as Im not sure if I will be in the same company by the end of the year. Like yourself its un sure at the moment. Sometimes I wish Id know one way or the other. I have a 2 week cruise booked for the end of the year but if I was made redundant I think I would do something unique and take a month out and travel. Australia/NZ and South Pacific would be top on the list. Those RTW tickets sound like a plan. Other than that a few Swiss trips to Greece to combine renewing Star Gold and seeing the family.  Smile

Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
The truth is [and this from an economist who usually believes in market forces and private enterprise over national champions and central planning] the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea. That is because the airline was more than a company, it was a social good providing public service.

Quite true. An outer Island like Ireland is more vunerable than most other EU countries. Certain Domestic and key international routes are vital to the economy. It is also only in times of economic crisis like this that people realise that you shouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water!! There is like everything else a healthy balance between monopoly/ competition and a good deal for the consumer. I would not like to see a monopoly in Ireland as it normally means a bad deal for the consumer. We have seen this on routes where one Airline has been pushed off a route and the sole operator has inflated prices.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11662 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 267):
Why EI choose to price the ORD route at a higher rate than CO. That was a decision made by EI's yield managers. It did prove that SNN is not willing to pay a premium for direct services and in that case there was no commercial basis for the continued operation, just like SFO and IAD - but of course they only operate from DUB, so no one in the SNN catchment area give a fiddlers about those. In my mind EI made the right call, the aircraft should be sent to an airport where passengers are willing to pay fares which will allow the airline to make a profit. It really is as simple as that.

Take ORK, for example. If as the situation continues to disimprove and traffic drops off a cliff do you think EI would keep an A321 and 3 A320s based down here? The A320 would be sent to LGW, DUB, BFS, etc faster than you can imagine. Would that be EI's fault or our fault? We can not expect any airline, whither that be RE, FR, W6 or EI to maintain service unless we use it. We choose FR over RE on the route and RE acted appropriately. Yes, The Examiner covered it, but it id not spark mass protests. Actions have consequences. If something is not used customers can not be surprised if it is taken away or closed own.

This all comes back to the size of the A330s. I agree these aircraft are too big to be serving the likes of SNN and maybe that's why EI aren't doing so well. Bottom line, EI have made profits here before (and indeed before privatisation), they can do it again if they work on it.

Quoting WexfordFlyer (Reply 270):
At the end of the day EI are a business, they need to do what makes financial sense for them. Profit is the bottom line whether we like it or not. National airline or not, whatever will keep the shareholders happy is what they must do.



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
I hate to say it, but Aer Lingus is no longer the national airline. It is a publically listed company, and it owes it to its shareholders to do anything and everything that it can to provide a return to them.

I strongly disagree with the privatisation of EI. They were doing fine before it, they had fine route networks at DUB, SNN, ORK and were actually profit-making. Now they have to worry about shareholders and takeovers and in my opinion they were a better-off airline before being floated.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Firstly I recognise I'm a Dublin man, but in all fairness, this whole SNN should be treated well I do and don't necessarily agree with. I agree that EI is our national airline, while some at FR don't see it this way anymore. But... just look at other European "natioanl" airlines and their lack of l/h flights from other airports. Take France for example. They're l/h services are restricted mainly to Paris. TLS has a much larger catchment area than SNN, around one and a half million just for Toulouse and its surrounding towns, and when openning out to say a 100 km radius, probably at least double that, and no l/h services by AF. Of course, they have a huge CDG and ORY-TLS service. What about IB in Spain? Nearly all from MAD, and I think a couple from BCN... Nothing from AGP for example, with a catchment area also probably larger than DUB. So national airlines, mostly privatised these days, are business, and must operate to make profit and survive. I'm sorry, but I firmly believe national airlines owe nothing to regional areas except to make themselves a viable national airline and ensure their business product survives.
Ok, you probably hate me after that comment, but please don't AmericanShamrok! Just had to say it!

Ha I don't hate you but look at SK, LH, LO etc. they also have bases outside their largest cities and they were doing well up to the oil crisis last year and the recession that followed. That's why I've always admired EI, they serve most of Ireland, not just Dublin like BA is to London or AF is to Paris. The only reason BA/IB/AF have lost other bases is because they were too uncompetitive to LCCs and other rivals. EI has the experience of FR and I think they know how to handle them by offering a superior service as well as low fares. As I said above, EI are capable of making profits at all their Irish bases and can do it again. Maybe not now, but when things get better in the economy.

Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
The truth is [and this from an economist who usually believes in market forces and private enterprise over national champions and central planning] the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea. That is because the airline was more than a company, it was a social good providing public service.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  Hear hear!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11659 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?

Im off to NCE next week from ORK (of course!), returning from LIN to DUB, so it should be a nice trip. I might do something later-on in the summer, not sure yet.

Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
The truth is [and this from an economist who usually believes in market forces and private enterprise over national champions and central planning] the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.

I appreciate where you are coming from, but I believe governments have no place owning airlines. Mind you privatisation of semi-states has been handled appallingly in this country, but that is a discussion for elsewhere. Since privatisation EI has been able to diversify it's operations, moving into LGW. As bad as things are now I think EI would be a lot worse off.
I do appreciate where people are coming from with the island talk and all that, but the reality is that the EU would not allow the government to pump any more money into the airline and the cash from the flotation is helping the airline through these tough times.
My view on this would be that EI should have been privatised with the help of a strategic partner. I know the airline at the time saw itself as viable & independent, but I just don't think that is realistic.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11652 times:



Quoting EICVD (Reply 4):
Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer

Dominican Republic! Cant wait!

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 6):
Ha I don't hate you but look at SK, LH, LO etc.

LO and SK arent the best examples of airlines operating succesfully outside their home base!

The fact SNN-ORD is being dropped, SNN-BOS is being reduced and JFK is hanging in the balance, proves that SNN is not making EI money, and the a/c can be used elsewhere or grounded.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11624 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?

Chicago in 2 weeks!

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
LO and SK arent the best examples of airlines operating succesfully outside their home base!

Ok, Lufthansa (FRA, MUC, DUS), Olympic Airlines (ATH, SKG), TAP Portugal (LIS, OPO, FNC), Spanair (MAD, BCN, PMI) etc.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
The fact SNN-ORD is being dropped, SNN-BOS is being reduced and JFK is hanging in the balance, proves that SNN is not making EI money, and the a/c can be used elsewhere or grounded.

Ah now that's not fair, it was making money before the recession, oil crisis and the cost of funding a cost-savings programme, you can't blame SNN for them things. Transatlantic in general is loss-making, it just happens that most of EI's business in SNN is t/a.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11615 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 6):
Ha I don't hate you but look at SK, LH, LO etc. they also have bases outside their largest cities and they were doing well up to the oil crisis last year and the recession that followed.

SK are an abslute basket-case financially. They have been struggling to make any money at all for the past decade. Their long-haul network is a chronic loss maker. Im not sure how profitable LO are and if they operate long-haul service out of cities other then WAW on a year round basis?
LH is a good example, but the thing is FRA, MUC and DUS are all vastly larger cities than DUB, not to mention the catchement area of SNN! These cities can support flights, comparing MUC to SNN is impossible, they are completely different, in terms of numbers, commerce and wealth.


Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 9):
Ah now that's not fair, it was making money before the recession, oil crisis and the cost of funding a cost-savings programme, you can't blame SNN for them things

But dude, if people are not using the service how can you expect an airline to keep offering it? Public or Private no company can afford to provide service in the hope that people some day might use it.

The root and branch review will be interesting. Hopefully ORK will remain unscathed. The winter has seen some additional frequencies on some routes, so hopefully we will have avoided the worst of the cut-backs.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11603 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
SK are an abslute basket-case financially

 yes 

Hmm. Can I be bothered to book a random trip like this. I wouldn't have to pay card fees, so the total trip would be £18 plus €2.

EMA-BHD: 0625-0730 = £6
BHD-LPL: 0955-1045 = £6
LPL-ORK: 1420-1525 = £6
ORK-DUB: 1735-1825 = €1
DUB-EMA: 2230-2330 = €1

Hmm...



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26913 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11587 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Hmm. Can I be bothered to book a random trip like this. I wouldn't have to pay card fees, so the total trip would be £18 plus €2.

Would you be bothered?? Id be wrecked after that.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11584 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Im not sure how profitable LO are and if they operate long-haul service out of cities other then WAW on a year round basis?

LO operate year-round service from Kraków to Chicago, as well as seasonal service on the KRK-JFK and KRK-EWR routes.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
if people are not using the service how can you expect an airline to keep offering it? Public or Private no company can afford to provide service in the hope that people some day might use it.

Which is why EI shouldn't have been privatised.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11582 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Would you be bothered?? Id be wrecked after that.

A few years back I would have booked it without thinking about it. But nowadays I too would be zzz.  Silly



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26913 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11573 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
A few years back I would have booked it without thinking about it. But nowadays I too would be zzz.

Haha like me , its old age... When I think of the trips I used to do, if I did them now Id be dead. The LX trips make me wrecked and I come home from the airport to go to bed. I know a guy that did DUB-ZRH-ATH-ZRH-DUB-ZRH-SKG-ZRH-DUB all in one go.  Wow!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11559 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
DUB-ZRH-ATH-ZRH-DUB-ZRH-SKG-ZRH-DUB all in one go.

 Wow! Nowadays I find flying far more enjoyable if I'm awake and fresh!



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11557 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.

 checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?


Going to Tokyo the 14th

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
Dominican Republic! Cant wait!

Hope for good weather!!!  crossfingers   Smile

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 9):
Chicago in 2 weeks!

While your there watch out for crooked politicians! Big grin  Wink

Atlanta



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 766 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11546 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?

Im off to BOS for a week in September with EI. Have never been to BOS and havent flown EI transatlantic in 4 years so will be fun. Then off to Washington with CO at the end of October, only 170euro all in to DCA!



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11546 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 17):
Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
the privatisation of Aer Lingus was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.
 checkmark   checkmark 

Thank you Atlanta and TravelExec; finally people on here agree with me!

Quoting Atlanta (Reply 17):
While your there watch out for crooked politicians!

Ah sure, we have our fair share of crooked politicians here too!



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19205 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11535 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 3):
Can I ask the rest of you about your holiday plans this summer?

Not much over the summer: only three short trips with my wife. So, not much. However, already this year I've been on trips to Washington, Dubai, Miami, Singapore, and shorter-haul ones, and I've got Los Angeles in Oct and potentially Miami again in Dec. All for business except Dubai and Singapore.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11505 times:

I dont necessarily agree that privatising EI was a bad idea. I think people are being selective saying the EI was profit making before flotation. Of course it was, there was an economic boom happening where as now there is a global recession... apples and oranges!

The government were unwilling to invest in EI to the scale needed, so better to be in private hands where raising funds would not be such an issue.

I agree there are cons to privatisation also of course.

This whole SNN things bugs me, and I say that as someone from that end of the country. Why should EI make a special case for SNN??

What is so special that SNN deserves it and NOC, GWY, CFN or WAT dont??

EI has bigger operations from more of Ireland now than it ever did. ORK is thriving, BFS has a significant european operation from EI, NOC is now linked to LGW, SNN has its LHR back and a T/A presence, and all this in a global economic meltdown.

FR cant even make SNN work beyond a certain size. If they cant do it, then no one else stands a chance quite frankly. SNN has clearly found its natural size of about 3m pax per year, with a T/A op that most regional airports would kill for, a decent UK/ Euro network, and a good Hub feeder op to LHR and CDG.

And its not as if SNN has been lacking in investment. It still has the longest runway in the state, had a new terminal long before its traffic warranted it while ORK and DUB have had to wait far longer, (In DUB's case it could be argued that the congestion was actually reaching dangerous levels) and it is still the premier ATC centre in the country.

It is owed nothing from EI and nothing from the state, because it has had everything it could possibly want for an airport of its size, to the detriment of investment at other airports.

I'm sure i'll get a hostile repsponse to this, but what the hell, it needs to be said!  Wink

No offence to the many posters from SNN on here, its always good to bat for your local area, but please at least be fair on it.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11499 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 9):
Olympic Airlines (ATH, SKG), TAP Portugal (LIS, OPO, FNC), Spanair (MAD, BCN, PMI) etc.

OA, TP and JK arent the best examples either! LH and AF/KL are the only one's that have mastered the dual hub idea.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 9):
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 8):
The fact SNN-ORD is being dropped, SNN-BOS is being reduced and JFK is hanging in the balance, proves that SNN is not making EI money, and the a/c can be used elsewhere or grounded.

Ah now that's not fair, it was making money before the recession, oil crisis and the cost of funding a cost-savings programme, you can't blame SNN for them things. Transatlantic in general is loss-making, it just happens that most of EI's business in SNN is t/a.

JFK has only made money 2 out of 10 years, so it is fair. The size of the 330's doesnt help SNN, but they could do more to promote the routes. I wonder could EI sell BOS or JFK as an all Y flight like they do with MCO to improve things?


User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

My reasoning for being against the privatization or Aer Lingus is this exactly:

Quoting TravelExec (Reply 2):
- Providing the government with a tool for the promotion of the tourism industry which has been core to the economy for so long

 checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 21):
I dont necessarily agree that privatising EI was a bad idea. I think people are being selective saying the EI was profit making before flotation. Of course it was, there was an economic boom happening where as now there is a global recession... apples and oranges!

However, right after the privatization and before the economic freefall how profitable was Aer Lingus?

Atlanta



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6331 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11470 times:

Here's a new timelapse video of T2 and Pier E uploaded to YouTube by the DAA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZsrZnPeg7I

The previous timelapse video was uploaded in January so the new video shows the progress since then.


25 Atlanta : Thank you for providing a link for that video, always interesting happenings in DUB! Atlanta
26 Shamrock604 : And what about the privatisation caused the deteroriation?? The government has plenty of tools to promote tourism besides EI. Spain, France, etc all
27 EICPT : Hopefully we'll get away for a week later in the summer but I can't complain we've been skiing in Austria and took a trip to South Africa already thi
28 Shamrock604 : Somewhere hot.. either Greece or Portugal but nothing definite yet! Hopefully in about 3 weeks... Have had a few weekends away already, and im thinki
29 Humberside : Nothing non-stop from BCN. There are some flights marketed as one-stop from BCN I think but with a change of plane (same flight number)
30 Shamrock604 : Thats correct. IB have a late night service on an A320 to MAD from BCN that is actually shown on the airport FIDS screens as a service to Mexico, Bue
31 Post contains links OA260 : This is a bit strange, never heard of this before :: New fee at Blackpool airport One of our readers got a nasty shock when travelling through Blackpo
32 Pe@rson : I knew of that. NQY has had one in the past; perhaps they still do. I believe NOC also had one?
33 Shamrock350 : Usually at the time of booking the airline informs you of the charge, Aer Lingus have it on their website when you go to book fights from Knock. It s
34 Atlanta : Can't say I have seen it in the U.S. Atlanta
35 Shamrock604 : Not so strange.. its why FR pulled out. NOC and KIR had these also, but I think they were simply added to the cost of the ticket
36 OA260 : Didnt know they had lol... I see Bombardier Aerospace have put in a bid to build and run Metro North !
37 Wexfordflyer : Whether or not the privatisation was a good idea or not is a different debate. The fact is that they have been and as such must perform differently a
38 Pe@rson : Alleged reason. It does, of course, provide a potentially effective excuse for ceasing unprofitable routes or for stopping service at a particular ai
39 COEI2007 : With EI's outstanding orders for 330's and 350's liable to be changed, I wondered could they change the order to a mixture of 350-800's and 900's? The
40 Shamrock604 : Of Course. It was the "official reason". Still, something about this is freaking me out. surely Pe@rson, its your job to protest against ridiculous a
41 EI320 : Have to disagree here. EI had to be privatised if it was to survive going forward, there was no other choice really. If it had remained under state o
42 Pe@rson : I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree that those flying budget airlines don't need gold-plated facilities and should actively protest against ridiculous
43 AmricanShamrok : I know! It's great! We're lucky to have them but I don't think that gives EI the right to throw its weight around when it comes to SNN ie. threatenin
44 COEI2007 : Its not EI throwing its weight around. They just dont want to use it for some flights, and not others, because logistically, its messy. The job cut t
45 BrianDromey : I suppose they could, but the problem I would see is that EI has absolutely no leverage with Airbus. Airbus needs all the sales it can get for the A3
46 AmricanShamrok : It wouldn't be messy at all - EI serves ORD T5, BOS TE and JFK T4 direct from SNN, all of which have sections for domestic passengers (which the SNN
47 Atlanta : I would love to see EI order some 787's however, it is highly unlikely given EI's relationship withe Airbus. I think the 350-800 is a much better cho
48 Shamrock604 : No one is asking you to put up or shut up at all. It's a forum and we can all chip in whatever we like (within reason of course! I just think that SN
49 Kaitak : I think the A350-800 is around the same length as the 332, but wider, so you have about 40 extra seats; similarly, the A359 is about 40-50 seats bigg
50 Aidanoc5793 : Am most EI flights I have been on from ORK have used airbridges, I have used it quite a few times, although maybe EI won't use it because it has a lo
51 Wexfordflyer : Very well made point there.
52 Shamrock604 : Thank you! I remember as a child reading headlines in the Limerick leader and Clare Champion speaking of the next big thing that was going to make SN
53 AmricanShamrok : Why is that? Does the CAA charge more for the use of its airbridges, sorry, airbridge?
54 TravelExec : France and Spain also have other industries... we have none... Very interesting... It would have been great to see a semi-state starting to deal with
55 BrianDromey : That is interesting. I have never seen them use the one air-bridge at ORK! I know they did use it for a while, but it collapsed and damaged one of th
56 Shamrock604 : Now thats just factually not true.
57 Shamrock604 : Why so? The 330's will need to replaced at some point, however far down the road that is. Unless you mean that EI will just completely close long hau
58 Shamrock321 : Speaking of airbridges does anyone know if B22 at DUB has been replaced, it was without airbridge for a few weeks but not sure if they put the old one
59 OA260 : Apparantly the Electricians are going on strike tomorrow and placing hundreds of pickets across the country including one at the Terminal 2 constructi
60 Atlanta : I honestly don't believe that one bit, but I have seen stranger things happen. That is close to impossible, unless we go into an all out depression o
61 AmricanShamrok : They were all driven out by Ryanair - completely different kettle of fish there.
62 Shamrock604 : Not all of them, EUjet certainly wasnt, neither was Skynet, but I do get your point about FR. None the less, doesnt it show that SNN will only really
63 Shamrock604 : I know that Atlanta, but there seem to be some who see everything as black because of the recession. According to their ideas, we are all f*cked, hav
64 AmricanShamrok : BY, X3 and U2 were driven out by FR. VE collapsed because its UK parent, Planestation went bankrupt (nothing to do with SNN) and SI was in financial
65 Shamrock604 : Correct about EUjet. SI may have had difficulties before starting, but rarely achieved loads on SNN-AMS above single figures, unless it was a bank ho
66 Post contains links BrianDromey : Im sorry, I just can't let that completely inaccurate statement go unchallenged. I appreciate that we can all post whatever we like on the board, but
67 COEI2007 : I know EI133 and EI137 swop a/c in BOS most of the time, so that would mean having to tow a/c from one gate to another, if EI133 had arrived at a dom
68 BrianDromey : Just as a reminder to all of how grim things have become, I see on another thread that seats LHR-JFK are going for £ 238 Return on DL, and within 20
69 Shamrock604 : Brian, you will probably be familiar with a poster on another forum who is equally passionate about your home airport of ORK. As long as no one on th
70 Styles9002 : Why would EI have to swop gates at BOS for this reason? The only issue is separating inbound passengers. Any pax on EI from SNN would simply bypass C
71 BOStonsox : Once CBP is implemented at both SNN and DUB, I think EI will move to Terminal C at BOS. That's where their partners are and I know Massport wants to f
72 Shamrock604 : Thats correct, BOS wouldnt present any problems. Lovely airport by the way, particularly Terminal E, and well set up to the incoming EI flights that
73 Post contains links OA260 : This is a bit stupid :: Ban on display of tobacco products to hit duty free shops DUTY FREE shops run by the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) are unable
74 DavecFlyer : Is that the one that had the 'jumping' issue? An EI A330 got damaged recently IIRC and I heard that they were now not using the stand in question. Bu
75 BrianDromey : Indeed. I think the critical difference is that he tens to be quite critical of the CAA, DAA, facilities at the airport and the Government. I don't t
76 Pe@rson : I think it brilliantly shows the consequences of open skies within Europe! Had this not materialised, FR would still be a small Irish airline – if
77 Post contains links OA260 : The Irish tourism sector has been decimated with alarmingly low numbers of visitors coming here this year. Bookings in some areas are down 50 per cent
78 AmricanShamrok : This is my point exactly! The exact same set-up is in place at ORD. Not sure about JFK but presumably because DL/NW operate to/from LAX, MSP, MEM fro
79 Pe@rson : Was it the Belgian and Dutch governments that abolished such a tax? You also have the UK's distance-based excessive APD...[Edited 2009-07-06 04:48:30
80 OA260 : Yes the Dutch baked a cake in celebration lol... Not sure about Belgium.
81 COEI2007 : I didnt know that, just hazared a guess. I think its down to cost then. Also shows how quickly FR react to moving capacity from under performing mark
82 Pe@rson : If they can't make a sufficient profit in a determined and reasonable period of time, they are absolutely right to move their assets to routes and ai
83 Post contains links Eiegaa : Heading to Las Vegas in September. Will be my first time on a 747! Following on from the previous thread, this is the bird I saw in BFS last Friday e
84 BrianDromey : What also helps is a lot of employees are young and free of responsibility - makes moving them a bit easier. A family friend works as an FO for FR, w
85 OA260 : Was it anything to do with the new US Ambassador arriving?? Not sure if he came into BFS or DUB. I read an article he has family in Newry .
86 Eiegaa : Now you mention it, I had heard that as well. Didn't know he was coming last weekend, but it makes sense. Thanks Philip.
87 BrianDromey : Im sure there are some twitterers amongst us (not me, I hasten to add - I just don't get it) but quite a few airlines are beginning to use this sort o
88 Pe@rson : Weren't they talking about EI passengers?
89 BrianDromey : I believe so! In fairness to FR when it comes to sanitary facilities theirs are pretty good. Certainly as clean as you would find anywhere else and t
90 Post contains links OA260 : My last flight from PIK-DUB I was first to board. Looking out of the window I saw this huge guy with Tatts all over heading to the back steps. Most r
91 Pe@rson : Only joking. I find such comments unfounded and stupid. What do you think about those that travel by bus? They are often called smelly, etc. Hmm. Not
92 Atlanta : Not to mention the economy is holding people back.
93 Aidanoc5793 : lol this happened to my mom's friend who was going on his honeymoon to Florida, he got a panic attack while taxiing, and had to be left off and his w
94 OA260 : Its very easy. Just have your passport details of all who are travelling at the time of booking. Fill out all boxes and double check before hitting t
95 BrianDromey : Phil, I know economy is not the most pleasurable of places to spend a long-haul flights, but the food and tight leg-room really is not that bad. Hone
96 Post contains links Kaitak : Much prefer the idea of Belgians making cakes ... lots of chocolate! Virgin from LGW? Should be good; you should get some very good deals in LAS as w
97 OA260 : Oh I know apart from that the rest of the flight looks quite normal Maybe your Man was auditioning for the Bollywood version of Airplane lol.. Oh noo
98 Post contains links and images EISHN : Anyone interested in a trip down memory lane? Well, here's one for you. That 735 in the background was used to bring EI execs to TLS for the delivery
99 Kaitak : Thank you very much for sharing those! I still recall standing at the end of Runway 16, waiting for the arrival of 'SHN.
100 OA260 : Nice pics . Never seen those ''Classic'' headrest covers before. What year did the A/C get painted into the new livery?? Also what was the interior o
101 Atlanta : Wow! That 330 sure looks nice in the old EI livery! Atlanta
102 EISHN : Thanks folks. I found yesterday, and immediately knew what I had to do with them! Sure was. They even came with those very small PTVs that you may rem
103 Post contains links and images OA260 : Would like to see it. I have a promo brochure and leaflets from around the time the new livery was being introduced. It was around the time I moved t
104 AmricanShamrok : I'd like to know that too, I thought they introduced the new livery with the first A330.
105 Pe@rson : I personally have exceedingly little interest in airline history. Yes, I acknowledge where they have come from and learn from mistakes made and so for
106 OA260 : Shame because Aviation history is very rich. Many historical moments and achievements.
107 Pe@rson : It is indeed, but certainly not for me: I am not into the "historical moments and achievements." I am all for the present and future, with the lesson
108 Post contains links BrianDromey : Those are some very cool photographs. It's great to see a completely different age in terms of livery, on-board product and all that. If -SHN was the
109 OA260 : Hmmm right ....
110 EISHN : That was JFK. I have a picture in my album of JFK just prior to the delivery flight. There's a glimpse into the cabin, which was all Y, and had no IF
111 Pe@rson : Darn, been caught out. Should have said MORE from a business perspective, hence doing what I'm doing. I'm not completely devoid of my geeky side, whi
112 BrianDromey : Seriously? I think we were typing at the same time. haha Brian.
113 Shamrock604 : How very pensive and reflective of you all! Some wonderful photos there of the EI 330. I still remember the day the first one arrived at SNN for the
114 Pe@rson : That is what I would absolutely normally say, but this time it's slightly different in that private, profitable Spring Airlines (based in Shanghai) i
115 Shamrock350 : Great photos EISHN, that's the first time I've seen the Classic Economy class as it was then. There are photos of an older Premier Class online somew
116 Shamrock604 : Yes, spring looking into it adds another dimension, but I still think that the IAA will want no part in this, or certainly will not wish to be the fi
117 Post contains links OA260 : This was back in January but didnt notice it before :: http://www.moodiereport.com/print.php?c_id=6&doc_id=19581 Airline of the Year went to Aer Lingu
118 Shamrock350 : I remember reading about it somewhere, may have been in Cara or in the results presentation. Aer Lingus also one the "Dragons Den Award" for an idea
119 F1eddie : I think it was mentioned here. I know i have seen it, and its more than likely i saw it here.... Why does Virgin have UK & IRL managers and the likes
120 OA260 : For airlines its quite common. You will often see UK & IRL as even though 90% of their responsibility is UK they still may have corporate or top Tour
121 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Although I don't like Twitter (I can just about cope with Facebook) it is very interesting to read some of the comments and see the most up to date n
122 OA260 : I like the Swiss one on Facebook, very well done. I saw some Aer Lingus staff and reunion ones on there. Im not a fan of Twitter but the Athens Airpo
123 F1eddie : Does this mean from internet websites, like clubtravel, which would sell the two airlines under the one ticket, and the likes... Do ye all know BD ha
124 OA260 : Yes exactly. Consolidators like Club Travel and World Travel Centre negotiate with the airlines for Nett fares. So they use BD and EI Via LHR. Also E
125 Post contains images BrianDromey : I was thinking about this and something hit me. What if this "standee" seating would allow 189 in a 737-700 (or 180 on an A319). Im sure Boeing could
126 Shamrock604 : On long haul, one is defintely best reviewing more options that just online. S/H doesnt matter so much in my experience. Especially in this climate w
127 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Latest Aer Lingus advertising campaign for London starts today, these aderts will appear in local papers. http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m...&curr
128 Shamrock604 : Yup, thats definitely more feasible. You would still need the extra cabin crew member though. Still, I hope this idea never gets off the ground. Airc
129 OA260 : Funny enough some of the BFS staff came from Jet2 also.
130 F1eddie : No way... Thats mad, considering how close BA and EI are on all routes which lead to LHR. OA260, SQ sell routes to LHR with both EI and BD. BD option
131 AmricanShamrok : 19 on my last count: AC, BI, EY, GF, LH, KF, KM, NZ, MH, NH, OS, SA, SK, TG, TP, UA, UL, US, VS These are the codeshares on the daily BD123 (LHR-DUB)
132 AerLingusA330 : EI-LAX operated the EI119/118 to IAD tonight. It was repainted as well when it was in for C-Checks/Cabin Upgrades/Repairs. -aerlingusa330
133 Pilot21 : EI just announced June pax stats - not bad overall Brief Overview: Total Pax numbers increased 7.5% over June 2008 to 1,030,000. This was due to a 10.
134 Pe@rson : Absolutely! I follow developments, and that is completely correct. Yeah, I agree. However, the fact that another airline and also a manufacturer are
135 BestWestern : I Disagree. we should not forget that Ryanair are the price leaders, and have revolutionised the european aviation market in their pricing for an air
136 Pe@rson : Think you got the wrong message BestWestern, unless I am misunderstanding it... Shamrock604 said that FR is rarely the first mover in many innovation
137 BestWestern : They are a major innovator - when it comes to price innovation. This is what FR focus on, and are world leaders.
138 Pe@rson : Yep, of course. Yet for the things that enable them to achieve that, i.e. low costs, efficiency, and ancillary revenue, they are not always the innov
139 OA260 : SQ have always been strong in Ireland for as long as I can remember. They had an excellent dedicated Sales manager for Ireland who sadly passed way l
140 Post contains links and images OA260 : Continental Airlines extends in-flight entertainment Continental Airlines has extended its 'Audio-Video on Demand' system to the economy class cabin o
141 EI320 : It's not often I have problems with EI, but I honestly feel robbed after what happened yesterday at ACE. I'll explain what happened because I'd like t
142 OA260 : DUB should not have told you that if indeed its clearly what was said. If a passenger fails to travel then also their baggage allowance is not transf
143 AmricanShamrok : Didn't they finish installing these last year some time?
144 OA260 : Not sure because a collegue of mine flew them around Easter time and said she didnt have PTV's going out but did coming back.
145 Shamrock350 : Not bad at all for Aer Lingus, hopefully this performance can continue throughout the summer. They need a few good months before the winter. It's som
146 EI320 : She allowed us to check-in his bag, but his weight allowance could not be pooled. 4 bags were allowed, but the pooled weight could not exceed 60kg. W
147 Aer Lingus : This is purely from memory on a rainy sunday morning in DUB so am open to correction. First aircraft to receive the current livery was EI-CRK in 1996
148 Pilot21 : Correct - I remember the Irish Times had a big photo of it inside the next days paper along with a discussion about the change in the airlines image/
149 OA260 : It must have been after Aug as this pic was taken in August 1996 https://shop.slidecorner.ch/images/NS0306r.jpg
150 Post contains links EISHN : In fact their website has many an article about the "new" corporate identity. Unfortunately you have to have a subscription to their site to view the
151 Wexfordflyer : Thats great to see some fab photos of days gone by. I never really saw a 330 in the old livery but really really like it. Hate to be the one to have
152 EISHN : Bernie Cahill, the man who saved EI at the beginning of the nineties, as Chairman, and then served out the rest of the decade as chairman during some
153 Wexfordflyer : Thanks for that. Forgot to ask in my last post. What was the longhaul fleet right before the 330?? Was it just the 747 or was there others??
154 Kaitak : No, he fell off his boat and drowned; I think it was in Cobh. I can't recall exactly when the last 767 left the fleet, but I'm pretty sure that, imme
155 Post contains images Pe@rson : Never!  I have exceedingly little interest in any history, be it about aviation or anything else. The only bits that I find exciting are history of
156 M6480 : Last time I checked this was a general aviation forum? I’m sure there are other forums on the net that discuss kings & castles. Unless its a flying
157 BrianDromey : Often like that they don't pay much attention to what should be charged. In my experience, there is definitely a bit of leeway, as in a couple of KG'
158 Post contains images Pe@rson : Yeah, I have - counts them - 49 such books! Mainly airlines, e.g. Southwest, Ryanair, GO, jetBlue, Westjet, Delta, FedEx, UPS, and many besides; also
159 EISHN : Indeed, ye are right. I could have sworn it was heart related but I knew he died whilst having something to do with boating.
160 Post contains links EIBoston : It happened in Schull, west Cork. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...-cahill-dies-boating-accident.html
161 EISHN : A number of people were worried about how EI would survive without him, as this was just before it all hit the fan for the airline. It was well known
162 Aerdingus : friends are himming & hawing all over the place, but I want to go to a festival in Belgium, via FR to Chareleroi, of course... Wow, thanks so much fo
163 Shamrock604 : Absolutely, which is why I never mentioned their fares, I was alluding more to product and procedures. It wasnt a criticism of FR, just an observatio
164 OA260 :
165 Shamrock604 : Smart ar*e!!!! My user name isnt a political statement!!!!! It's just a flight I used to use a lot!!!!!
166 BrianDromey : I look at it this way, DeHavilland were first to market with Jets, look where it got them. I think FR are fundamentally a pretty cautious airline, pa
167 AmricanShamrok : Does anyone know what's going on with RWY24 at Shannon? The top of this side of the runway is closed off and construction has been taking place there
168 Shamrock604 : Agree totally. I would never suggest that being first to market is anything that FR should ever aspire to. Here is an exceprt from the current NOTAMS
169 OA260 : Just here at DUB. Very quiet this morning and security was fast. Some nice metal on the ground today. AC/EY . Also EI-EAV/LAX/DAA at the D gates.
170 Irish251 : To facilitate the work, a displaced threshold is in operation during the night but in daytime the normal full length is available.
171 Minty33 : Yeah, all the works are part of general refurbishment going on to the taxi ways, and now the touchdown zone of 24. Displaced threshold is now opposite
172 Post contains images EI320 : 4 new airbridges are supposed to be fitted, likely to be finished by the end of this month too. A lot of work going on at the moment. Not sure why fo
173 AmricanShamrok : Will these be replacing the old ones?
174 Aer Lingus : i wonder are these new airbridges the one sitting arond the back of SNN that look like the old DUB ones from Pier C
175 EI320 : Those were brought down from DUB a few weeks ago, they're probably the ones being fitted. They seem to be in good condition.
176 AmricanShamrok : While we're on the subject of gates and airbridges, why isn't there any Gate 10 or 13 at SNN?
177 Post contains links and images EI320 : There is a Gate 10 and 13, but hardly ever used. Gate 13 is at the centre of the end of the Pier, with just a stairs leading down to the apron. You c
178 AmricanShamrok : Didn't know that. Didn't there used to be airbridges at these gates? There was 8 airbridges in '99 anyway compared to 6 today. And the stairs leading
179 Neutral : From Ryanair this evening Ryanair, the World’s favourite airline, today (8th July 09) called on the Government to scrap its suicidal €10 travel ta
180 COEI2007 : I think last July or August was the first time EI carried over 1 million pax in a month? Hopefully EI has a decent July and August, because this wint
181 AmricanShamrok : Flights can now be booked from Shannon on ba.com for flights via LHR! The codeshare flight numbers are: EI381 (LHR-SNN) BA5781 EI382 (SNN-LHR) BA5782
182 Shamrock350 : Good news! Makes sense to have a BA codeshare on this route like it once did as all other routes, apart from NOC, have the agreement in place. Nice s
183 COEI2007 : FR is twice the size of them based on pax numbers (57.6m vs 33.7m), but BA is nearly 4 times the size of FR when it comes to turnover ($12.9bn vs $3.
184 Styles9002 : I'm sure BA have a lot more employees too.
185 Wexfordflyer : Saw a quick flash of something on Sky News the other night which I probably picked up wrong so someone please correct me if I did. It said BA have ar
186 Bramble : The figures above are what Sky showed. I agree that the FR figures are innaccurate as they do not take into account agencies/handling agents. I belie
187 EI320 : Not sure to be honest, will check for you. Great news, I didn't expect the BA codeshare until the new winter schedule commences. The numbers are pret
188 AmricanShamrok : It was probably a website fault or something because it was just a few days ago I left a comment in the little box on the website about it so maybe t
189 Shamrock604 : BA are stopping the following routes from LGW from winter schedule: London Gatwick to Alicante London Gatwick to Krakow London Gatwick to Malta London
190 Post contains links OA260 : EU court spotlight shines on Ryanair Aer Lingus stake Aer Lingus has never known a day when its low-cost rival Ryanair has not been "banging on the do
191 Post contains links and images EI320 : EI booking system has a new drop down menu. It's not bad, but I think it'd be better if they let you type in the destination at the top instead of sel
192 Post contains images OA260 : Much better , we were talking about this last year and they finally did it.   It was around the time of the Jetblue tie up. Some news from Delta:: A
193 Post contains links EIDAA : Another delivery for FR EI-EFN is currently en route to DUB and should arrive in the next couple of hours. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RYR800N
194 Post contains links OA260 : Another great boost for inbound tourism Irish police investigating why Plano backpackers were expelled from the Emerald Isle According to the young me
195 AmricanShamrok : Looking at the comments on that page, alot of people lay the blame on the backpackers for not being prepared before travelling. It does look bad thou
196 Aidanoc5793 : Don't know if this has been mentioned already but JJ has extended codeshare with BMI to DUB. TAM flights to Brazil from DUB are now bookable since the
197 BrianDromey : That should really spruce the place up a bit. On my travels I saw WHSmith have a store in SNN. I was pretty surprised, I didn't think WHS were in Ire
198 AmricanShamrok : I think that only opened within the last year and it's the only one in Ireland as far as I know.
199 Post contains links OA260 : From what I have heard and read the guys offered the Woman at Immigration proof of their funds and were willing to show them their accounts online. J
200 BrianDromey : On the one hand, many sates (including the US) demand return tickets and accommodation. Spain and the US want this information before departure, so d
201 OA260 : LOL.. true. I know some people have made comments online about heavy handed US officials but to me Ireland is alot better than other countries histor
202 Post contains links OA260 : SIPTU wants Terminal 2 opening to be postponed SIPTU's Branch at the Dublin Airport Authority has urged the DAA to postpone the opening of Terminal 2
203 Kaitak : How is it suddenly SIPTU's business what the passenger levels at DUB are? I'm just trying to work out how this has anything at all to do with SIPTU?
204 EI320 : Sounds like a decent service, especially the Wi-Fi. I'm sure EI will follow in their footsteps just like they did with the baggage allowance Ah yes,
205 BrianDromey : I would assume they are part of an expansion plan by WHS to push into Ireland, which may or may not now come to fruition. Im not sure if they have an
206 Post contains images EI320 : They hadn't planned to expand into Ireland so soon I think, but when the retail outlets in SNN were put out to tender they went for it. They beat H &
207 BrianDromey : Ah, there would be a good reaership in Kerry and Limerick too, but surely there are enough displaced Corkonians out in Pier B! You tight so-and-so! B
208 JWMD123 : Try entering Australia the way they did Ireland and they would have got the same response. If they could have shown online bank accounts that means t
209 KL577 : I flew DUB-IAD on EI 118 on monday afternoon and came back yesterday on EI 119 to DUB (with connections to and from Amsterdam). Both flights were ope
210 Post contains links OA260 : Sadly its what alot of people say . Aer Lingus need to do something in Y class and not just concentrate on J class. Y class ads revenue also and Aer
211 Shamrock104 : Aer Lingus long haul economy is a joke. Would only fly them if it was under 300 rtn.
212 TravelExec : What an ill-advised, emotionally-driven attempt at manipulation of market forces this turned out to be... I'll bet those guys, especially those closi
213 Eirbus06 : KLM MD-11 landed cork airport with medical emergency at 11.35. Took off approx 1 hour later. Flight was coming from Panama City to amsterdam.
214 Shamrock350 : Wow that would have been an impressive sight to see, surprised it didn't divert to Shannon though.
215 OA260 : Would have been nice to see especially on ORK's small runway. Anybody get any pics??
216 Post contains images Eirbus06 : I got 2 pics but just with my camera phone. It was PH-KCF.
217 Shamrock350 : Rumour on another site is that a "major announcement" is expected from Aer Lingus this afternoon. Seems a new CEO could be announced today. Just a "fr
218 AmricanShamrok : Ah it's not that bad this year! The SNN diversion is back on its way: Atlanta Northwest Airlines NW811 10-07-2009 12:30 Departed 13:40
219 OA260 : Nice . Yep we should know around 5pm.
220 Eirbus06 : Change is right.I was eating my breakfast when i heard it coming in over my scanner. Thought i was hearing things, because you usually hear jets ment
221 DavecFlyer : I'm guessing the passenger in question had a sufficiently bad emergency to warrant an immediate diversion to the nearest field even though Shannon wa
222 Post contains links OA260 : Man dies on jet diverted to Shannon A man has died on board a transatlantic jet which was forced to divert and land at Shannon Airport in Co Clare thi
223 Post contains links F1eddie : Hence this A transatlantic plane on its way from Panama City to Amsterdam had to make an emergency medical landing at Cork Airport this morning. http
224 Kaitak : Any word from EI yet? It's now 6pm? Who's the new guy? Maybe he tried to escape and they had to catch and sedate him?
225 Post contains links OA260 : As I suggested Free holiday offer for US trio denied entry THREE US backpackers who were refused entry into Ireland on the grounds they had insufficie
226 Styles9002 : No more cead mile failte? An unnecessary black-eye for Irish tourism here in the US. Obviously, these three visitors had no intention of emigrating t
227 Pe@rson : I have an internship with a US-based airline intelligence company. Through this, I have met numerous people within airline industry. Some have been ve
228 Aerdingus : Wow thanks for that, real jealous. Love the MD11. RIP to the passenger on the NW flight, how sad.
229 BrianDromey : I thought I saw a KL aircraft overflying the city when I was driving into town this morning! I only caught a brief glimpse of it as it passed between
230 Post contains links Irish251 : As freighters, A300s are still a regular sight at DUB. They mostly move in the early morning and the evening. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24101413@N
231 Post contains links and images OA260 : Arr yeah I seen some of those incl FedEx the other day. Shame Monarch didnt bring back the A300 fo the Summer. We only have a A310 of TS and that it
232 Post contains links Kaitak : That's a great site! Fascinating that you can choose flights at random, or a particular airline's flights. Here's an Aer Lingus one: http://flightawar
233 Eiegaa : I presume we can expect reciprocal arrangements from the Americans when an Irish national is refused entry to the US and sent back on the next flight
234 OA260 : Oh I know and I agree with you but it is my belief that the Irish are far more welcoming and humane than their US counterparts in immigration. Its so
235 Post contains links Irish251 : I thought it was well-known! You can search by airport, e.g. Dublin: http://flightaware.com/live/airport/EIDW or Shannon http://flightaware.com/live/
236 Aer Lingus : I got one of them free in college one day. As I recall I used it to wipe the condensation off the bus window in front of me... good water absorption
237 TravelGuy : Sorry if I am misreading your post, but there is no such thing as a healthy balance between monopoly and competition and a deal for the consumer. Tha
238 OA260 : Actually this may be a wider picture which actually might explain some of the downturn in Irish-American trips to the USA. Has the Irish love affair
239 Aer Lingus : another group I have no sympathy for. they did not obey the immigration laws of the land and deserve to be treated like any other illegals. there sho
240 Styles9002 : In my amateur opinion, US CBP is orders of magnitude more professional and efficient than the Irish immigration officials. Perhaps the Irish gov't sh
241 Aidanoc5793 : Yes this is true, I'm 16 and my classmates have no interest in going to America to do anything but go on holiday thats it, its OZ has caught our atte
242 Aer Lingus : they wear standard Garda uniforms and have done so for about a year.
243 TravelGuy : Each and every country has the sovereign right to police its borders and make judgment calls on which non-citizens to admit and which to deny entry t
244 BrianDromey : Im not so sure that it has finished, rather changed. 10 years ago "America" was still a distant and exotic place, the only way to get there was gener
245 Bramble : So much for the figure of 265 shown on SkyNews Isn't this similar to most countries. Its not as if they were asked were they terrorists or members of
246 Sawtooth : I remember that when me and my mates were planning a "wild" summer in the relative familiar neighborhood of Boston; my younger London cousins were re
247 TravelExec : Couldn't agree more... sloppily dressed - some in uniform (albeit with ties at half mast), some not... some talking on the phone rather than acknowle
248 OA260 : Well I think it should be 50/50 as some people appreciate something else ZRH does it for me Actually thinking I have never seen anyone ''fit'' at DUB
249 Post contains links OA260 : On airports Remember those halcyon days when airports were glamorous places, full of scarf-tossing jet setters and fond embraces? Granted, those were
250 Kaitak : Just for info, FR's next batch of 737s (once the 'EFs end) will be the EI-EGx series, starting with c/n 38490. With regard to the J1s, I recall going
251 Lasno : So any news from the news conference, or was it just rumour?
252 TravelExec : Apologies OA269 - I am all for equality on this front... Time to set up a petition I think - lets make the world a better place...
253 OA260 : No unless its Monday. Shamrock350 is to blame But it was rumored on the ''other'' site for 5pm. Im OA260 , lol... OA269 is the other way ( As in ATH-
254 Irishmd11 : I don't have time to read through the whole thread, but to be pertinent let me suggest some recent figures from GVA's activity. The "national airline
255 Gulfstream : Must agree with Kaitak that Flightaware is a excellent site. Is anyone aware if one can determine what actual aircraft is operating a specific filght.
256 F1eddie : I actually cant believe you have not heard of this site.... Someone will give you the exact details,but i think you will have to bring a book...SNN u
257 Post contains links Kaitak : 20/09 is up and running: Irish 20/09: Power Set And Rolling (by Kaitak Jul 11 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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