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Yemenia Pushes Back; May Cancel A350 MOU  
User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Yemenia wants "moral and media" support in the wake of the A310 disaster. The don't sound happy about the way they've been treated, that's for sure. Frankly, I'm not surprised that the A350 deal came into play here, just that it happened this fast.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINL74060220090707?rpc=44

Quote:
SANAA, July 7 (Reuters) - The Yemen national airline at the centre of last week's Indian Ocean crash threatened on Tuesday to axe a $2 billion deal to buy 10 planes from Airbus unless the planemaker shows "moral and media support" over the disaster.

Since the crash of an Airbus A310-300 off the Indian Ocean archipelago of Comoros last week there has been growing uncertainty over whether the order would be fulfilled at a time when many airlines already face severe financial pressures.

"If we do not receive support from the manufacturer, we might reconsider an MoU [Memorandum of Understanding] signed earlier to buy 10 A350 aircraft," Yemenia Chairman Abdul-Khaliq al-Qadi told Reuters.

Asked about what kind of support he expected, Qadi said: "Moral and media support after the accident".




"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

They want Airbus to do public relations work on their behalf?

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Has Airbus said one bad word about them?

User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

What? Judging by the bad PR wave for Airbus this has created, I'd not think that Airbus were particularly keen to sell to Yemenia, seeing how the plane was likely a victim of suspect maintenance practices...


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User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

In similar cases, Boeing issues a standard statement offering their condolences to families and friends of those perished, and their help in determining the cause of crash. I don't know why Airbus didn't issue such a statement, in fact I'm note sure Airbus ever does in these instances. But if Yemenia wants "moral and media support" from Airbus, a press statement like that is all they can expect, nothing more. If Yemenia wants to blackmail Airbus into something of a media cover-up, well, perhaps Yemenia should be blacklisted sooner rather than later.

[Edited 2009-07-07 07:31:21]


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

Here's more on Yemenia's point of view from this Bloomberg piece.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGYfbeprlbK0

Quote:
“We are not receiving cooperation from Airbus and some of the French people are really against us,” Chairman Abdulkalek Saleh Al-Kadi, said in a telephone interview from the Yemeni capital, Sana’a. “If they prejudge the result of the accident before the investigation, tell me how do we handle this?”

Didn't a French official cast aspersions on Yemenia's maintenance practices in the immediate aftermath of the crash?



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4841 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 3):
seeing how the plane was likely a victim of suspect maintenance practices...

Come, we don't know that yet.

But while we're waiting to find out what happened, I don't see how Yemenia feels entitled to anything from anybody else.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

What do they mean by "moral and media" support just a statement or Airbus should accepting all the responsibility of the crash.

Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 4):
Boeing issues a standard statement offering their condolences to families and friends of those perished, and their help in determining the cause of crash.

If it is just a statement as above then it is fine.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Maybe "moral and media" support is in response to what they get in France: incompetent and biased media reports (the level of incompetence in aviation-related matters there is just unbelievable), as well as thousands of idiotic protesters in the street accusing France as the responsible country for the accident ("They did not tell us the plane was unsafe"), accusing Yemenia for "changing from a new plane to an unsafe plane at an intermediate stop of the Paris-Moroni flight", claiming that Yemenia is unsafe "because there has been hand luggage falling from the ovverhead bins", and asking for "safe and comfortable transport to the Comores at affordable fares"

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4550 times:



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Didn't a French official cast aspersions on Yemenia's maintenance practices in the immediate aftermath of the crash?

Yes, the French Transportation Minister said the particular aircraft was banned from the EU, then he backtracked and said it was banned from French airspace. Lately he has retracted that and said the aircraft was under special inspection standards.

The same minister also blamed the crash on "known poor maintenance practices" of Yemenia. He did not offer any explanation how Yemenia poorly maintains all their planes except their A330 birds.

Niether that aircraft, nor any other Yemenia aircraft, were ever banned by France or the EU. Nor has France or any other nation brought a formal proposal that Yemenia or any of it's aircraft be banned. Past checks by EU aviation authorities have given Yemenia high grades for their safety programs.

Understand, this was not a flight from Paris to The Comoros.

A tour agency sold many passengers tickets from Paris and Marseilles to Sanaa. Then connecting tickets of a second scheduled flight from Sanna to the Comoros.

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 3):
I'd not think that Airbus were particularly keen to sell to Yemenia, seeing how the plane was likely a victim of suspect maintenance practices...

No one with any experience or factual knowledge has said Yemenia has suspect maintenance practices. Their A330 aircraft and the crashed A310 were checked frequently by EU and British authorities - just as are aircraft from the US, Japan, Dubai, etc. They were found to be fully compliant.

This one aircraft has a few non-flight safety discrepancies on it's last trip to French airspace.

The assertion that Yemenia had purposely moved their A310 aircraft to fly only Indian Ocean routes where they were not subject to inspection is a BALD FACED LIE.

Airbus wants orders, they are not going to cancel or prefer to not sell aircraft to an airline like Yemenia.

Though I would not be surprised to see Yemenia shift to Boeing aircraft. An airline moving their fleet from one manufacturer to another does occasionally happen after a crash.

EgyptAir's shift away from Boeing to Airbus after their disagreement with the NTSB report and the preceived lack of support from Boeing is only the latest example.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4320 times:

According to this week's Spiegel the EASA did indeed revoke Yemenia's maintenance license, meaning they were not allowed to perform maintenance on EU-aircraft. A ban of Yemenia was also discussed, but is up to the Commission, not the EASA, and got stuck there, which apparently happens quite often. An example cited by Spiegel was a planned ban of PIA that was discarded after Musharraf himself intervened.

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4275 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 4):
I don't know why Airbus didn't issue such a statement, in fact I'm note sure Airbus ever does in these instances.

Airbus modified their website immediately after the crash and offered their condolences while confirming the sad incident.

I don't quite understand Yemenia's tantrum - If I don't service my car, VW sure as hell will not support me if it breaks down, now will they?

I think this is just one of those "pass the buck" statements to get back at the French Government more than at Airbus.



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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3027 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 12):
Quoting Racko (Reply 2):
Has Airbus said one bad word about them?

No but silence can be damaging too.

Only if the silence is unexpected. As noted, Airbus gave the standard "our condolences and we'll help with the investigation" statement. Unless somebody can show that A or B generally say anything further than that the next day to defend the airline, Yemenia is feeling entitled to something that nobody gets from the manufacturer.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 12):
IY is not blackmailing airbus they are just making French politicos eat a bit of humble pie.

Yemenia is making the mistake of equating the French Transport Minister (and maybe also the media) and Airbus. They are in some way related, but they are not the same entity.

Or, it is not a mistake at all, but a calculated political game. Probably an unnecessary one, as the issue will fade away from the politicians and the media's attention anyway, but potential passengers who have a bad impression of IY will not change their minds until the actual investigation is over, if then.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2992 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 15):
The only thing that I still find strange about this is the political spin put on the incident, and why exactly Yemenia would seek to punish Airbus for something that is quite plainly out of their control.

I don't think Yemenia is trying to punish Airbus.

What I think they are trying to do is fight the seemingly active rush to judgement by the French government. The early posts on this thread show how effective the false information has been in creating opinions.

Because I've posted nothing on this thread which was not posted on other threads about this crash before this one started, by others besides me. One would assume A.net members interested in this incident would have read those threads.

Yemenia is a small airline. The executives most likely personally knew the pilots, crewmembers and their families. Not only have they lost an aircraft, started a long involved legal process which will strain the financial ability of the airline to survive - but they have lost friends. They have had to meet children and try to tell them why Daddy is dead.

Everything they hear from the French media is calls for their heads based on untrue statements and unfounded speculation. They have protesters when their flights arrive and takeoff from France.

They are grasping at straws for support - and Airbus is the biggest, probably only, leverage they have in France.

I know Airbus is not part of the French government. But you have to admit that many times the French government acts as if Airbus is essential to French survival, French national pride.

As I noted above, airlines have moved away from an airplane manufacturer because of disagreements with the government of the manufacturer.

It has happened in the past, and will undoubtedly happen in the future. This may or may not be an additional case.


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2885 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 13):

They are grasping at straws for support - and Airbus is the biggest, probably only, leverage they have in France.

This is a very good post, but I'd note that it isn't just the French govt or media. The protesters seem to be the Comoran community who made their own conclusions on the safety of IY based on whatever observations they have made inside the cabin, combined with the accident. Maybe their sentiments were also influenced by the media reporting and politicians, but it's also true the other way around - the media amplified their ideas, and the politicians maybe wanted to pander to them.

Probably, no amount of leverage exerted on Airbus will lead to those protesters and others with a bad impression changing their minds. But yes, I suppose when an airline is desperate, they'll try whatever they can think of.

But we have to see what the investigation turns up.


User currently offlineHotelima From France, joined May 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
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A first glance, Yemenia reaction seems to be a sad childish backmail : "if you dont give what I'm asking for, I'll trample on your flowers!". I hope that, if they signed a so much serious thing as a MoU for such an up to date plane as A350, it was actually because they thought seriously they needed the A 350 as the best plane for their best purpose, and not after a foolish fantasy. It may be that french politicians and people have had too much early reactions against Yemenia, but on the other hand, Yemenia and Yemen government responsibles would
better wait for further developments of the investigation before throwing oil on the fire.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

http://yemen-online.net/yemenianew/DisplaySectionDetail.aspx?ID=122

According to Yemenia the A350 are due from 2012!!!.


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2126 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 9):
EgyptAir's shift away from Boeing to Airbus after their disagreement with the NTSB report and the preceived lack of support from Boeing is only the latest example.

They have some 738's that have recently been delivered and 77W's on order so I wouldn't say that MS has shifted from Boeing.


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