United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14653 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter): is there an aircraft (civilian) that doesn't have a crash record at all?
I'm almost positive that the A318/A321 have never had a crash and pretty sure that the A319 has never crashed either. I suppose it also depends on how you define crash, if you define it as no fatalities caused by impact you can count the 777 if not I suppose the BA incident at LHR rules the triple out.
It takes some time to interpret. What is a "crash"? You can have fatalities without a crash (from turbulence, it can happen); you can have a hull loss without a crash (something happening on the ground). And of course, you can have a hull loss without fatalities (the A340 has no fatalities, but the AF incident at YYZ was certainly a crash, I'd say)
Looks like the RJs have some nice stats.
For zero hull loss, I see Fairchild Dornier Do 328 and Tu-204, though relatively few were built.
It takes some time to interpret. What is a "crash"? You can have fatalities without a crash (from turbulence, it can happen); you can have a hull loss without a crash (something happening on the ground).
Wow! On this basis, averge fatalities per aircraft built, (after the Concorde with its single crash) the 747 is close to the world's most deadly aircraft.
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7019 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14481 times:
Dassault Mercure never had a crash in its entire career.
The 777 has a very good record with 1 incident, I don´t recall any incident with the 717/MD 90 as well.
The A318, A319, A321 never had a crash as well same goes for the A330-300 still their "siblings" A320, A330-200, A340 have had some incidents.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10222 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14443 times:
My definition of a crash: Aircraft destroyed in a accident while in active service, and on "the move" (in flight, during takeoff or landing).
No Boeing 747SP ever crashed. One was written off due to age after an engine on the ground. All other SP are either dismantled, stored, or are active.
Also no B744F and no A340-200 ever crashed.
Others, but with a lot less than 10 years service imho too young to really count: A318, B773W, A380.
Serious accidents can occur without fatalities. I believe it is more logical to look at types without any hull losses, although you can also have such an accident that involve fatalities, such as the Southwest 737-700 that overran at MDW a few years ago and killed a passenger in a car. That counts as a 737-700 fatal accident but since the aircraft was repaired it still has no hull losses.
Brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13877 times:
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 5): Wow! On this basis, averge fatalities per aircraft built, (after the Concorde with its single crash) the 747 is close to the world's most deadly aircraft.
That is a bit misleadomg when you consider the number of passengers that the aircraft has carried. The 747 stats included the Teneriffe disaster in 1977 which was the worst air disaster in aviation history, yet had nothing to do with the plane.
[Edited 2009-07-07 14:59:41]
Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
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: Was 1549 a crash or just a really wet runway?
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: A crash is a crash, no matter if there were human victims or not. Your list includes some mistakes. You forgot the 744F which record is without any s
: You must have read my mind............ Can I put this (highly interesting) discussion into a slightly different light please: How many crashes turned
: Thank you for your corrections sir, however, I must correct you. The DC-10-40 is a separate airplane that had to obtain separate certifications. Yes,
: But it has not seen revenue service nor has it flown yet. So that should be omitted from the list nontheless. The A380 is also a joke as well.....it
: AirframeAS, I agree the 787 has not flown and maybe should not be truely considered at this point, however, since it is an airplane I included it. How
: That's pretty rare, but we could make a list (I bet there's an old thread about this topic, though). 737: the rudder issues: US, Pittsburgh; UA, Colo
: Once the first revenue flight occurs, and revenue flights continue to occur, it counts. The probability of it getting on the list of aircraft type th
: The fact remains....it may be an airplane now but it has not flown nor has it seen revenue service. It still needs to be omitted regardless. I'll buy
: A few more crashes where you could blame the aircraft design itself: Lockheed electra: BN 542, NW 710
: " target=_blank>http://www.jacdec.de/statistics/type...s.htm Interesting list, but I think it doesn't show a good way to see how likely an aircraft i
: I see no reason not to include the A380. It will soon (in 3 months) have been in service for 2 years. Many other aircraft types in the past have had
: No airframe crash....just it's sales! Seems to be some ambiguity here regarding the definition of 'crash' here. Some are quoting fatal accidents some
: Absolutely, the way they normalised it is silly. Penalises a 747 for being large. Agreed. This gets tricky. For comparing aircraft against other airc
: Well, actually, 747 pilots are among the world's most deadly since many accidents were due to pilot error, and the 747 has been the target of many te
: http://www.jacdec.de/statistics/types/Types.htm tells about six 737NG hull losses to date, so there must have been some "hangar fires" or something si
: Even in cases of human error, you can learn about aircraft safety. Everybody survived AF358 in YYZ. You can't really blame the crash on the aircraft i
: Now that you mention it: Any aircraft that has been more often hit by missiles than the A300? The one that the US Navy mistook for a F-14 and the DHL
: The 747 was also a rather large target for terrorists because of its size and passenger load, so just because it was blown up quite a few times, does
: As statistically idiotic as it is, I have actually wondered on some routes if one airline might be more of a terrorism target than another. I've not
: WHat about the SWA 737-700 that went off the runway and killed a kid in a car? PIA777
: That might depend on the route, almost all flights between SYD/MEL/BNE - LAX/SFO/HNL would have been some 747 variant for a while there, it has chang
: Three accidents, actually. As of right now, the recent crash of KQ's 738 is still unsolved. It crashed soon after takeoff in bad weather.
: The A380 has been in revenue service longer than the ill-fated GOL 737-800 at the time of its demise (I believe it had only been flying for 2 months
: We can include the following airplanes that did not witness a crash : TUPOLEV TU334 VFW 614 ( 1 loss during test, nut none during regular services) If
: It may be penalised for being large, but on the other hand it makes far less take-off's and landings which is the most dangerous part of any flight,
: How to count the A340-600 that was destroyed in Toulouse when testing the engines? What is its faith by the way?
: I have added/rectified your list of active 747 accidents, excluding terrorism and war:
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: QFs VH-OJK (the one with the oxygen bottle explosion) is in service again. 744s written off (none is attributable to the aircraft type): China Airlin
: Surprised that no one has mentioned the An-225. IMO belongs on the list when the 787 (which hasn’t ever flown, hello?!) is! The An-225 has also flow
: That's a helpful way to do it. It shows how all aspects of aviation have become more safe over the years. Because of the original question of the thr
: How about the 747-300s ? did any of them crash?