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BA Withdraws LCY To BCN And LYS For Winter 09  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

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Any other LCY changes?

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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
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Quoting Richardw (Thread starter):

Edinburgh, London Gatwick, London City and London Heathrow were the destinations once served by BA directly from BCN and now, from October 2009, we will see only LHR direct flights.

Sad, very sad to see the economic problems of this great airline...

Gerard



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User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Maybe it proves they are not so great! (from a cost perspective)

Unfortunatley service isnt what people want these days, we live in a lower fare wins world, and with high charges at LCY,flights from other airports and alot of ow cost competition to BCN from London make the most expensive option redundant. Have BA said if these routes will come back or not?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11648 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5980 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 1):
Edinburgh, London Gatwick, London City and London Heathrow were the destinations once served by BA directly from BCN and now, from October 2009, we will see only LHR direct flights.

Hi Gerard,

BA flew BHX-BCN as well, it was then transferred to BA Connect operating with the RJ100 but was not retained after the FlyBe takeover.


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5815 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
BA flew BHX-BCN as well, it was then transferred to BA Connect operating with the RJ100 but was not retained after the FlyBe takeover.

Ooops!!

I forgot it.

Thanks for the info, Dan.

Gerard



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User currently offlineBlackwidow From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

I wonder if these cuts in BCN capacity (LGW & now LCY) are due to any increased costs when BA moves to the new Terminal 1 in BCN in September???....

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5652 times:



Quoting Blackwidow (Reply 5):
I wonder if these cuts in BCN capacity (LGW & now LCY) are due to any increased costs when BA moves to the new Terminal 1 in BCN in September??

I doubt it, I think it is called easyJet.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7124 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Its also called the Spanish economy.


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
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Quoting Blackwidow (Reply 5):
I wonder if these cuts in BCN capacity (LGW & now LCY) are due to any increased costs when BA moves to the new Terminal 1 in BCN in September???....

I don't think so... My bet is to see very soon operating the BCN-LHR route by Vueling / Clickair instead Iberia pure flights.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
Its also called the Spanish economy.

If I don't understand you bad, you tried to say that the costs for opearting in the new T1 are highest than to operate from the "old" Terminal 2B?

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5399 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 8):
My bet is to see very soon operating the BCN-LHR route by Vueling / Clickair instead Iberia pure flights.

Where would they get/buy the slots from at LHR?


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

I thnik the header is slightly misleading. As I understand the press release the flights will not return for summer 2010 (there is also a section in the press release mentioning BA flights that are susepnded for the winter and will return for he summer)

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5315 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 8):
I don't think so... My bet is to see very soon operating the BCN-LHR route by Vueling / Clickair instead Iberia pure flights.

As per BA.com, there are no IB operated flights to BCN this winter. All are operated by BA and increased to 7 daily (instead of 4 last winter). I think IB is withdrawing the route.

Would it be possible that IB have trasferred some slots to BA to operate the BCN, AGP, PSA and GIB routes?



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

The LHR-GIB slots look very similar to GT's old AGP timings.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5278 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 12):
The LHR-GIB slots look very similar to GT's old AGP timings.

What's now missing are the LGW shorthaul schedules fro winter 2010. Any idea abut those services?

Quoting Richardw (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I think it is called easyJet.

Ultimately, giving up routes because of EZY will end up hurting BA more than anything. EZY have just announced TLV. BA needs to do something about that. Otheriwisem they will end up with no European routes at all.



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5264 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
Ultimately, giving up routes because of EZY will end up hurting BA more than anything. EZY have just announced TLV. BA needs to do something about that. Otheriwisem they will end up with no European routes at all.

Crikey - and what would BA do then with 100 short haul aircraft???

I very much doubt BA will end up with no European routes at all. They will continue to provide high frequencies on the high yielding business routes which provide important feeder services to the main money spinner in their operating model.



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5190 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
Ultimately, giving up routes because of EZY will end up hurting BA more than anything. EZY have just announced TLV. BA needs to do something about that. Otheriwisem they will end up with no European routes at all.

I think you're being a bit sensationalist. Several of the LGW routes have been moved to LHR which should improve the performance of those routes. Several other LGW routes, such as BCN, have been axed but I suspect the cancellation of those routes has more to do with the fact that Hooray Henrys are no longer going on drinking weekends to Barcelona than Easyjet's presence on the route. BA will still have 7 daily flights from LHR so their presence in the London - Barcelona market will still be substantial. As for other axed routes, such as PMI, I don't think BA axing the route is a major problem. It was 1 daily, compared to Easyjet's 4 daily, and being a leisure route BA could very easily and successfully restart the route when things pick up. It wouldn't surprise me if it returned for the Summer 2010 season. Incidentally, looking at fares it doesn't seem like Easyjet are doing very well on the route either.

As for TLV, BA have a better product, and thanks to using the 763 they probably have lower seat costs than Easyjet, ability to carry more cargo and connection possibilities throughout the world. I doubt Easyjet will have any meaningful effect on BA's TLV flights.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5132 times:
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Quoting Richardw (Reply 9):
Where would they get/buy the slots from at LHR?

From Iberia... My bet is to see Iberia leaving this route and concentrating all its workforce from MAD and from BCN using only Air Nostrum and Vueling flights as well Iberia pure flights in the "Puente Aereo" BCN-MAD-BCN route.

What's your opinion?

Gerard



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

But can Vueling actually pay Iberia the market value for slots at Heathrow?

User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4988 times:



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
but I suspect the cancellation of those routes has more to do with the fact that Hooray Henrys are no longer going on drinking weekends to Barcelona than Easyjet's presence on the route.

The market you talk about here is more the opposite end of the social spectrum LOL



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4899 times:

We know Click Air got their current slots from IB at LHR, but Vueling/Click Air have no new service starting at LHR this winter as things stand. And with Vueling recently doing UK publicity about the merger, and introducing the Vueling brand to the UK, they've just had the perfect opportunity to announce LHR-BCN. So is it possible the slots IB used for LHR-BCN have gone elsewhere? (BA?)


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4866 times:



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
Incidentally, looking at fares it doesn't seem like Easyjet are doing very well on the route either.

So can you then explain how, in your position, you can tell by fares how an airline is doing on any route?

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
As for TLV, BA have a better product, and thanks to using the 763 they probably have lower seat costs than Easyjet, ability to carry more cargo and connection possibilities throughout the world

Very dabatable and only opinion.. You are forgetting that they are catering to two essentially different markets. So what connections do BA offer beyond TLV?


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4862 times:
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Quoting Richardw (Reply 17):
But can Vueling actually pay Iberia the market value for slots at Heathrow?

Since yesterday, Vueling is the low-cost arm of Iberia so I don't think Vueling can pay anything to Iberia...

Quoting Humberside (Reply 19):
We know Click Air got their current slots from IB at LHR, but Vueling/Click Air have no new service starting at LHR this winter as things stand. And with Vueling recently doing UK publicity about the merger, and introducing the Vueling brand to the UK, they've just had the perfect opportunity to announce LHR-BCN. So is it possible the slots IB used for LHR-BCN have gone elsewhere? (BA?)

I think that this new route from BCN would operate once the merge will be complete and the loss of Iberia (as said in many other posts) will be major...

The IB idea is to concentrate all IB pure flights at MAD leaving BCN in VY / YW hands...

Let's see if I win the bet...

Gerard



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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Can never understand IB views regarding BCN, MAD is not the be all end all.


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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4816 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 20):


Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
Incidentally, looking at fares it doesn't seem like Easyjet are doing very well on the route either.

So can you then explain how, in your position, you can tell by fares how an airline is doing on any route?

It's not an exact science, but if one compares fares offered at peak season this year, to those offered in previous years one can see that this year it is significantly easier to get lower fares. That suggests that either Easyjet has made great strides in improving efficiency and can therefore offer lower fares, or more likely they are struggling to fill seats and thus are having to make lower fares more available to avoid having empty planes. At least by filling seats at a low price they can recoup some of the operating costs of the flight. Obviously whether or not Easyjet is still making a proft on the route is another matter that I can't answer as I don't know what their costs are, however based on the availability of lower fares it would definately suggest that revenue will be down this year and thus in comparison to previous years one could say the route is not performing well (although I doubt many routes are).

Another example, the cheapest LHR-HKG fare I could find in June last year was £345 with QR, this year it was £311 and even Virgin whose fares aren't normally that compeitive for the LHR-HKG route were offering fares for £319. Airlines aren't going to make fares cheaper just for the sake of it. It fares come down it normally means airlines are having trouble filling planes. It could mean that they are trying to flood the market to force competitors out, but considering VS, BA, CX and QR have all cut LHR-HKG capacity it probably suggests that the former reason for lower fares is correct. Incidentally it has been reported on here that QR's HKG route has always been lossmaking and has been downgraded from a 346 to a 332/333. That information correlates well with the low fares they so often offer.

I would just like to add that I think your comment was most unecessary. It was clear from my post that my statement was a rough estimate based upon fares alone. I wasn't trying to make a definitive or factualy sound statement. Perhaps you could inform me of a better way that I could use publicly avavilable information to formulate a rough estimate of the performance of certain routes?

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 20):
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
As for TLV, BA have a better product, and thanks to using the 763 they probably have lower seat costs than Easyjet, ability to carry more cargo and connection possibilities throughout the world

Very dabatable and only opinion.. You are forgetting that they are catering to two essentially different markets. So what connections do BA offer beyond TLV?

Which then means you are essentially agreeing with what I said. I mentioned that U2 would probably have little impact on BA to TLV. You have now enlightened us by mentioning that they are catering for "two essentially different markets". If they are catering for different markets they should have little impact on each other.

BA don't offer connections onwards from TLV, but they do at LHR. U2 don't yet fly to New York, Boston or Hong Kong and they don't offer business class.


User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Going back to the original toic of BA at LCY...
just found out my BA LCY-MAD flight has been cancelled Sept 18th.
Was flying the friday morning 0950 dep but the only flight now is the 1840
is this a change to the overall schedule? LCY-MAD once daily on friday?


25 RAFVC10 : Here you are the answer to your questions: the schedule of BA for the LCY-MAD route... 1CJ*BA8753 1234 LCY MAD4S 0950 1335 0 01SEP09 22OCT09 AR8 2:45
26 AirNZ : Yep, that's what I was meaning. As there are a lot of variables indeed it is virtually impossible to base anything on fares themselves, let alone sug
27 LJ : I think he means that the slowdown in the Spanish economy means less business poeple flying between BCN and LCY, thus no reason the retain the flight
28 VV701 : My own experience is that, particularly on long haul flights to and from Europe, it is difficult to over emphasise the importance of connections. It
29 AirCatalonia : These guys (IB, BA) are leaving BCN in the hands of Star Alliance and Skyteam. One World is very very weak at BCN right now. The economy doesn't look
30 Spud757 : Yep.... you're right. Was offered to change onto the later 1840 or fly earlier from LHR. If it had been a T5 flight then might have been persuaded bu
31 B747-4U3 : It depends on what we are hoping to achieve. Basing an analysis on fares alone will indeed give no indication as to the precise financial performance
32 GT4EZY : Absolutely not and make no apologies for it. Easyjet are a point to point airline and therefore, by virtue, are not in the business of offering conne
33 Viscount724 : The legacy carriers are in many cases fully competitive with the low-cost carriers. More often than not, when I fly within Europe, I can obtain a low
34 GT4EZY : Having worked for GB/BA I can definitely agree with you that the full service carriers can be very competitive. However, more often than not the LCC'
35 Iainbhx : We know how you feel Signed BHX and MAN
36 VV701 : I guess what it sounds like depends whether you remembered how my post started or not. Apparently you did not. To remind you it started with a quote
37 AirNZ : Sorry, but would you possibly mind explaining what on earth you are talking about? Please explain what 'cheap dig' I made at anything? It looks like
38 2707200X : I wonder if this will effect the proposed LCY to JFK route since such a decision may effect how BA feels about oparating from LCY in one way or anothe
39 VV701 : I would be interested to know what YOU are talking about. If you read ALL of my post CAREFULLY and if you start at the very BEGINING you will clearly
40 Antonovman : VV701. If you look back at any BA discussion, AirNZ will have made almost 50 percent of the postings, berating BA bleating to the world how much he h
41 BALHRWWCC : They certainly did. EDI was never direct to BCN flight operated EDI/BHX/BCN. LCY/BCN returns 6 x Weekly from 28th March for Summer 10 timetable. Mon-
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