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Airbus June Orders.  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (5 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Airbus has confirmed the following orders for the month of June 2009.

Qatar Airways 20 x A320 + 4 x A321
Cebu Pacific 5 x A320
Vietnam Airlines 16 x A321
Private Customer 1 x A320
Air AsiaX 10 x A359
Aigle Azur 1 x A319
ILFC 1 x A332

In total 58 frames were booked during the month of June. The overall order tally now stands at 90 Gross Orders and 68 Net Orders for 2009.

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Deliveries are interesting, too. How come they delivered one A332 to the HSH Nordbank?? They may have financed a plane, but they are hardly an operator.

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9944 posts, RR: 96
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6641 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
In total 58 frames were booked during the month of June. The overall order tally now stands at 90 Gross Orders and 68 Net Orders for 2009.

Signs of life after all.

IIRC the first month this year for either of the big two when their overall backlog hasn't fallen..

Rgds


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30419 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
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Reuters reported that EY formally canceled the A340-600 (F-WWCJ) that was wrecked during that incident in TLS in 2007. So I am guessing that means they are reducing their unfilled A340-600 orders by one and not taking a replacement frame.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6326 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The overall order tally now stands at 90 Gross Orders and 68 Net Orders for 2009.

Do you know how many orders are pending?



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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6238 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Reuters reported that EY formally canceled the A340-600 (F-WWCJ) that was wrecked during that incident in TLS in 2007. So I am guessing that means they are reducing their unfilled A340-600 orders by one and not taking a replacement frame.

So whose insurance payed for the mess?


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Does someone have a comparison : June 2008 vs June 2009?

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12283 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
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Quoting Airbuske (Reply 6):
Does someone have a comparison : June 2008 vs June 2009?

At the end of June 2008, Airbus had 525 gross, 487 net orders. This year they have 9 deliveries more than they had at the same point in 2008.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 days ago) and read 5991 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
How come they delivered one A332 to the HSH Nordbank??

This is a bit of a mystery. Planes delivered to lessors usually go straight to an airline.

HSH Nordbank have just financed 10 A330s for AerCap so there may be some link there.

http://www.hsh-nordbank.com/de/press...09/press_release_detail_569920.jsp

But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this is an oportunistic purchase by HSH Nordbank of an A330-200 that has been built but is no longer wanted (or can't be afforded) by the original customer.

Step forward ... Air Comet!!


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Interesting that ILFC have ordered single copies of the A332 in both May and June - I'm guessing that these are birds that airlines have ordered and are now getting ILFC to buy the plane and taking them on as leased rather than bought. There was a single A332 canx in June but I can't see which airline it's for.

User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5633 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
At the end of June 2008, Airbus had 525 gross, 487 net orders. This year they have 9 deliveries more than they had at the same point in 2008.

Thanks. Too bad that we will have to wait for quite a number of years before we see crazy spending at air trade shows again.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5290 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 8):
This is a bit of a mystery. Planes delivered to lessors usually go straight to an airline.

HSH Nordbank have just financed 10 A330s for AerCap so there may be some link there.

http://www.hsh-nordbank.com/de/press...09/press_release_detail_569920.jsp

But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this is an oportunistic purchase by HSH Nordbank of an A330-200 that has been built but is no longer wanted (or can't be afforded) by the original customer.

Step forward ... Air Comet!!

Very strange, indeed. I would expect the plane to go to AerCap then, but not to the bank.

You think it is Air Comet? Aren't their A332s all ordered by Marsans? I didn't know they were supposed to take from lessors, too. Besides, are they in trouble?

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
This year they have 9 deliveries more than they had at the same point in 2008.

254 deliveries struck me, too. Would that be even higher, if those sitting IT A345, IB A346 (and possibly some other planes) had been delivered? Could Airbus reach 500 for the total year? (With a little A380 batch in December?)


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5176 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
Aren't their A332s all ordered by Marsans?

Yes.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
I didn't know they were supposed to take from lessors, too.

They're not but that's my point. If Grupo Marsans don't want or can't pay for an already-built A332 then they'd be delighted to palm it off to a leasing company.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
Besides, are they in trouble?

It seems so...


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5151 times:



Quoting Airbuske (Reply 6):
Does someone have a comparison : June 2008 vs June 2009?

Does someone have the same figures for Boeing.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5053 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
They're not but that's my point. If Grupo Marsans don't want or can't pay for an already-built A332 then they'd be delighted to palm it off to a leasing company.

Interesting is that Marsans used to have 12 A332 on order, now it is only 11. So I guess it was really one of theirs. However, why did that HSH bank take it? They are in trouble, too, and needed a lot of government bailout money recently. Why buy a plane now, that has to be changed to be ready for a new operator. Finding a new operator isn't that easy currently, too. Very strange, indeed.

Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
Besides, are they in trouble?

It seems so...

Do you have any details? All I found is the German wikipedia that they suspended SCL and SJO. English wikipedia reports they haven't paid some staff and have been suspended from the IATA clearing house.

Their problem is certainly that they do not have sufficient connections in Europe for their long-hauls to South America.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (5 years 22 hours ago) and read 4772 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Interesting is that Marsans used to have 12 A332 on order, now it is only 11.

Well spotted. My suggestion of Air Comet was just a guess but this seems to confirm it. Now the question is which one ... #1002, #1019, #1031, #1034, #1039? (The last couple may be too new to be the one delivered on 30th June.)

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Why buy a plane now, that has to be changed to be ready for a new operator.

Not necessarily. I wonder if it might go to Air Comet after all!

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Do you have any details?

Nothing more than I've picked up around here. They seemed to have succumbed to the Kingfisher disease and hugely over-ordered.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (5 years 17 hours ago) and read 4605 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 15):
Nothing more than I've picked up around here. They seemed to have succumbed to the Kingfisher disease and hugely over-ordered.

Wasn't part of this order meant for Aerolineas Argentinas, back when Marsans owned them? In that case, it would make sense to reduce the order.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (5 years 16 hours ago) and read 4537 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 16):
asn't part of this order meant for Aerolineas Argentinas

It certainly was and they are still expected to receive a fleet of A330s. It seems to be Air Comet which has much more capacity than they need.


User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

The June 30th delivery was to Garuda Indonesia msn 1020, leased from Aercap, was initially allocated by Aercap to Hainan.

It's this bird:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...onesia)/Airbus-A330-243/1542883/M/

and here in its full new Garuda colours:

http://www.indoflyer.net/forum/tm.asp?m=352092

Later in the year msn 1052 will be delivered to Garuda as well (also previously allocated to Hainan).

[Edited 2009-07-13 05:01:42]

User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3995 times:



Quoting NCB (Reply 18):
The June 30th delivery was to Garuda Indonesia msn 1020, leased from Aercap, was initially allocated by Aercap to Hainan.

I don't think so. MSN 1020 was delivered on the 29th June. The mysterious HSH Nordbank A330 was delivered on the 30th. Both deliveries are recorded on the Airbus June O&D spreadsheet.

Moreover, if the HSH A330 is indeed an ex-Grupo Marsans aircraft then it will have PW and not RR engines.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
254 deliveries struck me, too. Would that be even higher, if those sitting IT A345, IB A346 (and possibly some other planes) had been delivered? Could Airbus reach 500 for the total year? (With a little A380 batch in December?)

Interesting about another IB A346 being "delivered" this month whilst there's one tinned up on the tarmac at TLS paid for but not collected I wonder if June's one went to the airline or is parked up next to the other one?


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3496 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
However, why did that HSH bank take it? They are in trouble, too, and needed a lot of government bailout money recently. Why buy a plane now, that has to be changed to be ready for a new operator. Finding a new operator isn't that easy currently, too. Very strange, indeed.

Let see.
1- HSH Nordbank agreed on a pre-delivery funding for 10 A330 with Aercap.
2- The order from Grupo Marsans for 17 A330s was a direct order, at least not through Aercap.
3- But Aercap got a deal with Virgin Atlantic to take over 6 A333 on order and lease them back plus 4 more. The financing in 1- looks linked to 3-.
4- So did Grupo Marsans seek founding from HSH Nordbank and now canceled the first order?
Looks contractually difficult.

Banks are sometimes ending-up owning planes w/o any operator around, even at first delivery. Wells Fargo Bank NA comes to mind.
This HSH Nordbank story is strange anyway.


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3479 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 21):
4- So did Grupo Marsans seek founding from HSH Nordbank and now canceled the first order?
Looks contractually difficult.

Here is maybe a start of explanation, dated 2008, July 29th:
"Global Aircraft Fund I initially acquired six Airbus A320 family and Boeing 737 Next Generation
aircraft that are on lease with three different lessees: Deccan, Lion Air and Hamburg
International. The fund is currently in final lease negotiations with BMI (two A321-200s, Emirates Airlines (one 777-200LR), Air Comet (two A330-200s), TUI Group (two B737-800), an ME based cargo airline (one 747-400ERF), and Air France/KLM Group(five Embraer 190LRs)."
From:
http://www.amentum-capital.com/files...rdbank%20eyes%20second%20fund..pdf


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3423 times:



Quoting Breiz (Reply 22):

Thanks for that link. Sounds a bit like what SQ did with its first three A380s. They are owned by an aircraft fund, too, AFAIK. However, it still seems a bit weird that Airbus lists HSH as the operator, and not A7.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3206 times:



Quoting Racko (Reply 5):
So whose insurance payed for the mess?

It would have been Airbus as the aircraft had not been delivered yet to EY.



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25 Breiz : This A332 seems to be MSN 1002, F-WWKP, which is in full Air Comet livery at TLS. Still there on 2009, July 6th.
26 Scouseflyer : It would of been someones insurance and it was a little more complex as it wasn't Airbus personel who crashed it, it was contractors employed by EY t
27 PM : That makes sense. Thanks.
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