ManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 227 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4056 times:
I was checking flight stats and was surprised to see KL 838 SIN-AMS was a 77W! I wasn't aware KL had made the change from a 772 because it was still a 772 about a week ago. Anyone know when this change happened and whether it will remain a 77W?
CityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
SIN is twice weekly and will remain that way during the winter.
Quoting Kappel (Reply 1): It's not daily, IIRC twice a week, same as KUL.
Although KUL is not twice weekly, but five weekly with the tag-on to CGK.
MNL is four weekly and will become five weekly next month.
Are there other destinations that sees the KL 77W? Because the frecuencies seem quite low for a fleet of four 77Ws (they will receive the fourth in a couple of weeks), and the flights don't seem to change much between now and after the fourth delivery.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2937 times:
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 4): Are there other destinations that sees the KL 77W? Because the frecuencies seem quite low for a fleet of four 77Ws (they will receive the fourth in a couple of weeks), and the flights don't seem to change much between now and after the fourth delivery
Starting 30 August KLM will deploy the B77W in GRU 3 x week (Fridays, Sundays and Mondays).
I assume the addition of the fourth B77W will allow KLM to bring GRU back in the B77W schedule.
Gasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
I recently flew on SQ from SIN-AMS in J class in a 772. Personally I believe the 77W is a much nicer aircraft, and would actively seek it out on a route over and above the 772.
IL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
I booked AMS-SIN-AMS 2 weeks ago. I'm a member of Flying Blue and everything, but I chose SQ over KLM for 2 reasons:
- SQ was €40 cheaper
- KLM uses the 77W and SQ a 772. I avoid 10-abreast 777's whenever possible, the SQ 772 is 9-abreast.
The only drawback is that I will not get any Flying Blue frequent flyer points. But I really don't like the idea of sitting 12,5 hours in seats even narrower than the seats in the 772.
So KLM's move to 77W on the AMS-SIN-AMS route is quite unfortunate from my perspective. I really hope KLM will one day reverse the plan to put 10 abreast in a 777.
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PS: my booking is for december and by then it'll be a daily 77W. I didn't find any 772 flights with KLM.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2639 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 12): IIRC the fifth has already entered service. The 6th is due in October IIRC, it will be in the Skyteam c/s
So apparently the rumours of a bigger business class or premium economy did not happen which means the B77W will continue to have a high density configuration.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2512 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 12): IIRC the fifth has already entered service. The 6th is due in October IIRC, it will be in the Skyteam c/s.
Only 3 aircraft are currently in service. PH-BVC entered commercial service on June 9 as KL803 AMS MNL. The airline's fourth B77W, PH-BVD, will enter service in the second half of August. That aircraft will be in Skyteam c/s.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14): Only 3 aircraft are currently in service. PH-BVC entered commercial service on June 9 as KL803 AMS MNL. The airline's fourth B77W, PH-BVD, will enter service in the second half of August. That aircraft will be in Skyteam c/s.
Wow, I was WAY off... my bad.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13): So apparently the rumours of a bigger business class or premium economy did not happen which means the B77W will continue to have a high density configuration.
I'm guessing there is no demand for bigger WBC section at the moment. The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.
PHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 15): I'm guessing there is no demand for bigger WBC section at the moment. The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.
I reckon the global demand for premium traffic is down so much that KLM will think twice before enlarging the J cabin.
Y+ is a done deal, it is being introduced this fall as communicated by Erik Varwijk - a KLM big shot - in an interview with luchtvaartnieuws.nl.
Mindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2375 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 15): The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.
Hartman during a press conference on the new Delta-AF-KL joint venture last Spring commented on the new Y+ to be rolled out on KL Long Haul product.
It is interesting that he mentioned and explained why the two Y+ will be different. KLM chief Hartman on the Delta JV
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19): All operations to CGK route through KUL on both the in- and outbound
Indeed. Btw, during the Summer MH has downgraded AMS-KUL from the B747 to the B772. MH will revert to the B747 in AMS from October after the suspension of KUL-ARN.
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