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KLM 77W To SIN?  
User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

I was checking flight stats and was surprised to see KL 838 SIN-AMS was a 77W! I wasn't aware KL had made the change from a 772 because it was still a 772 about a week ago. Anyone know when this change happened and whether it will remain a 77W?

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

It's not daily, IIRC twice a week, same as KUL. Not sure about the frequency, but I'm sure that the 772 still serves SIN.


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

What is the overall shedule for the 77W deployment? Will MNL keep it's flights?


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4601 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
It's not daily, IIRC twice a week, same as KUL. Not sure about the frequency, but I'm sure that the 772 still serves SIN.

I thought KL has in the meantime made SIN a daily 77W destination (?). If not, will KL make SIN a daily 77W destination this year?

A388


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

SIN is twice weekly and will remain that way during the winter.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
It's not daily, IIRC twice a week, same as KUL.

Although KUL is not twice weekly, but five weekly with the tag-on to CGK.
MNL is four weekly and will become five weekly next month.

Are there other destinations that sees the KL 77W? Because the frecuencies seem quite low for a fleet of four 77Ws (they will receive the fourth in a couple of weeks), and the flights don't seem to change much between now and after the fourth delivery.

//Alex



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User currently offlineManekS From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4250 times:



Quoting CityAirline (Reply 4):
SIN is twice weekly and will remain that way during the winter.

So I assume the other 5 days will continue being the 772.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

On KLM timetable, AMS-KUL-CGK route is served daily with 77W. However a spotter friend of mine saw (and got a photograph) of a KLM's 772 in CGK.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Just to clarify, this is the current schedule to MNL, SIN and KUL (extending to JKT):
AMS -MNL
772 --3-5-7
77W 12-4-6-

AMS-SIN
772 1-3456-
77W -2----7

AMS-KUL-JKT
772 1----6-
77W -2345-7

Quoting ManekS (Reply 5):
So I assume the other 5 days will continue being the 772.

That's correct, see above.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 4):
Are there other destinations that sees the KL 77W? Because the frecuencies seem quite low for a fleet of four 77Ws (they will receive the fourth in a couple of weeks), and the flights don't seem to change much between now and after the fourth delivery

Starting 30 August KLM will deploy the B77W in GRU 3 x week (Fridays, Sundays and Mondays).

I assume the addition of the fourth B77W will allow KLM to bring GRU back in the B77W schedule.

Rgs,

[Edited 2009-07-15 01:59:02]

User currently offlineGasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

I recently flew on SQ from SIN-AMS in J class in a 772. Personally I believe the 77W is a much nicer aircraft, and would actively seek it out on a route over and above the 772.

User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

I booked AMS-SIN-AMS 2 weeks ago. I'm a member of Flying Blue and everything, but I chose SQ over KLM for 2 reasons:

- SQ was €40 cheaper
- KLM uses the 77W and SQ a 772. I avoid 10-abreast 777's whenever possible, the SQ 772 is 9-abreast.

The only drawback is that I will not get any Flying Blue frequent flyer points. But I really don't like the idea of sitting 12,5 hours in seats even narrower than the seats in the 772.
So KLM's move to 77W on the AMS-SIN-AMS route is quite unfortunate from my perspective. I really hope KLM will one day reverse the plan to put 10 abreast in a 777.

E

PS: my booking is for december and by then it'll be a daily 77W. I didn't find any 772 flights with KLM.

[Edited 2009-07-15 03:15:05]

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

When will the 5th and 6th 77W enter service? Are those the last ones?


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3321 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
When will the 5th and 6th 77W enter service? Are those the last ones?

IIRC the fifth has already entered service. The 6th is due in October IIRC, it will be in the Skyteam c/s.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3290 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
IIRC the fifth has already entered service. The 6th is due in October IIRC, it will be in the Skyteam c/s

So apparently the rumours of a bigger business class or premium economy did not happen which means the B77W will continue to have a high density configuration.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3163 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
IIRC the fifth has already entered service. The 6th is due in October IIRC, it will be in the Skyteam c/s.

Only 3 aircraft are currently in service. PH-BVC entered commercial service on June 9 as KL803 AMS MNL. The airline's fourth B77W, PH-BVD, will enter service in the second half of August. That aircraft will be in Skyteam c/s.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3074 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
Only 3 aircraft are currently in service. PH-BVC entered commercial service on June 9 as KL803 AMS MNL. The airline's fourth B77W, PH-BVD, will enter service in the second half of August. That aircraft will be in Skyteam c/s.

Wow, I was WAY off... my bad.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
So apparently the rumours of a bigger business class or premium economy did not happen which means the B77W will continue to have a high density configuration.

I'm guessing there is no demand for bigger WBC section at the moment. The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3051 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
I'm guessing there is no demand for bigger WBC section at the moment. The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.

I reckon the global demand for premium traffic is down so much that KLM will think twice before enlarging the J cabin.
Y+ is a done deal, it is being introduced this fall as communicated by Erik Varwijk - a KLM big shot - in an interview with luchtvaartnieuws.nl.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3026 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
The decision regarding the Y+ section has not been taken yet I believe.

Hartman during a press conference on the new Delta-AF-KL joint venture last Spring commented on the new Y+ to be rolled out on KL Long Haul product.
It is interesting that he mentioned and explained why the two Y+ will be different.
KLM chief Hartman on the Delta JV


User currently offlinePHBUF From Netherlands, joined Mar 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

For those interested, here are the scheduled flights for 77Ws for the upcoming days:

PH-BVA:

AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-AMS
AMS-JRO-DAR-AMS

PH-BVB:

AMS-SIN-AMS
AMS-KUL-CGK-AMS

PH-BVC:

AMS-MNL-AMS
AMS-KUL-CGK-AMS


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2986 times:



Quoting PHBUF (Reply 18):
For those interested, here are the scheduled flights for 77Ws for the upcoming days

All operations to CGK route through KUL on both the in- and outbound.


User currently offlinePHBUF From Netherlands, joined Mar 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Correct, my apologies for that

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2760 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
All operations to CGK route through KUL on both the in- and outbound

Indeed. Btw, during the Summer MH has downgraded AMS-KUL from the B747 to the B772. MH will revert to the B747 in AMS from October after the suspension of KUL-ARN.

Rgs,


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