Wexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 27758 times:
I think it looks great, I think simple like this is what looks best on the 380. I know theres none very colourful yet but I dont think overly colourful will suit it. Personally I think it will look best in LH colours so cannot wait to see that.
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2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 8175 posts, RR: 65 Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 27626 times:
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I think it looks miserable. I don't think liveries should be overly elaborate or gaudy, but Eurowhite liveries display an incredible lack of creativity. Airlines using them have missed an opportunity to effectively differentiate their brand.
Danfearn77 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2008, 1236 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 27472 times:
Quoting Wexfordflyer (Reply 4): I think it looks great, I think simple like this is what looks best on the 380. I know theres none very colourful yet but I dont think overly colourful will suit it. Personally I think it will look best in LH colours so cannot wait to see that.
I think the Thai livery would look amazing on the A380, if they ever get it! I love plain and simple but i think the TG livery is fantastic.
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Golfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27132 times:
Quoting Luckyone (Reply 8):
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
It may be completely covered in paint, but "full colors" is a bit of a stretch when describing a Eurowhite livery...
I had a similar thought when I read the thread title: "Isn't white the complete absence of color???"
Quoting Wexfordflyer (Reply 11): Ah but white is a colour, just a very common one. Sorry, I'm being pedantic Smile
Actually if you mix all the primary colors you get white. So in a sense it is "full colors"
I like it. The plain white suits the A380. Imagine it in this livery
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 3793 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 26826 times:
Form always follows function. Aircraft are designed with the nose that at the time of the design was in their developers opinion the best shape for it. Sometimes we end up with great designs (757, Concorde), sometimes with good ones (A330&A340, DC10, 777), some look good and bad, depending on the angle (A350, 787) and sometimes they are just plain ugly (A380, 737).
I actually kinda like the A320-nose. Nothing fancy, looks business. Fits a short-haul working bee.
Sparky35805 From United States, joined Dec 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26657 times:
What is wrong with the classic boeing nose?
I have never seen an ugly airplane.Some look much better than others,but if its an airplane I like something about it.Not everything can be a Super Connie with tip tanks.
Sparky
Pellegrine From United States, joined Mar 2007, 1217 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 25767 times:
I think it's just gorgeous. A natural progression of their previous livery. I didn't fully appreciate it on the 77W; however, now seeing the A388 I see why they went the direction they did. The Eurowhite carriers go for subtlety and timelessness and it works for them.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21): The absence of all pigment on a surface is clear.
Hate to nitpick, but only if your surface media is clear.
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Trigged From United States, joined Mar 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 25739 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10): I think it looks miserable. I don't think liveries should be overly elaborate or gaudy, but Eurowhite liveries display an incredible lack of creativity. Airlines using them have missed an opportunity to effectively differentiate their brand.
2H4
+1
To me, it looks like the Air France letterhead on a blank sheet of paper.
Afterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 729 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25400 times:
I don't understand. Why, in almost every thread about A380, are there at least one post commenting how ugly this bird is? Do we need this continuous mocking? I believe to be beautiful is not on the top of every aircraft designer's lists of requirements. Aircraft are designed to be safe, comfortable, and operationally efficient.
Flood From United States, joined Feb 2009, 135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 28, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24247 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10): Airlines using them have missed an opportunity to effectively differentiate their brand.
If you want to effectively differentiate your brand, I'd suggest you rather focus more on service than colorful aircraft. At the end of the day, the flying public couldn't care less about liveries.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18473 posts, RR: 60 Reply 30, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24132 times:
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24): Hate to nitpick, but only if your surface media is clear.
Nope. If you lay down a "base" onto a surface that has no pigment, that base will be clear. The surface will be whatever, but the base will be clear. You will see through it, to the surface below. Whether it's oil or acrylic, or even water if you are using gouache, if the base it's pure, it will be clear.
I'm talking about creating colors on earth, of course. In theory, you could mix up all the pigments and float them in space in a nice ball or sheet, without gravity and you don't need a surface, but on earth, you gotta put the stuff on something.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Pellegrine From United States, joined Mar 2007, 1217 posts, RR: 1 Reply 32, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22583 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 35): Nope. If you lay down a "base" onto a surface that has no pigment, that base will be clear. The surface will be whatever, but the base will be clear. You will see through it, to the surface below. Whether it's oil or acrylic, or even water if you are using gouache, if the base it's pure, it will be clear.
I'm talking about creating colors on earth, of course. In theory, you could mix up all the pigments and float them in space in a nice ball or sheet, without gravity and you don't need a surface, but on earth, you gotta put the stuff on something. Smile
Well I thought we were talking color theory not physical paint. In theory, the study of, a color is just that no matter what it's presented on. Yes paint, the type I am used to anyway, is consisted of pigment and a binder (other industries have solvents and additives sure). The binder would usually be clear or clearish but in the case of something like artist's oil paint where the binder is usually linseed oil or safflower oil. This can be yellowish or clear depending on processing. Some acrylic media are white before they dry, then they turn clear. Then again if you have no pigment you need no binder and thus there is no paint. Semantics... There are three issues here, the creation of colors in space (visible light), composition of paint, and color theory along with colorimetry which is a science.
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... looks like the Boeing design guys found it difficult to make a good looking nose on a double-decker too... makes the Airbus design guys look like gods to have made the A380 look so good!
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2377 posts, RR: 15 Reply 34, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22045 times:
Quoting Airzim (Reply 5): No matter what colour you paint it, the A380 is one ugly bird.
Completely agreed. Aircraft with a wingspan longer than the fuselage are ugly. Apart from this the 380 has a really ugly frontal look - one that only it's mother will love.
Kiwiandrew From Mauritius, joined Jun 2005, 5548 posts, RR: 17 Reply 37, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20811 times:
It is a beautiful sight and hopefully a boost to the morale of the employees at AF at a time when they could really do with one .
Although I am not usually a big fan of 'eurowhite' liveries AF seems to me a special case , since , if I am not mistaken , they were the original while others since have just copied . The colours and simplicity of the AF livery ( before they get covered in dirt ) seem to reflect the elegance that one associates with France and the stylized use of the flag on the fin has impressed me ever since the original livery was unveiled in the mid-70s .
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NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 38, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20262 times:
The "new" AF livery fits the new fleet flagship much better than other types, at least it looks good in comparison with the 77W which is indeed a bare-naked ungainly looking thing in AFs "colours".
I would love to see a richly painted A380, or a special paintjob on it. So far all A380 operators have white-dominated liveries.
Quoting Airzim (Reply 5): No matter what colour you paint it, the A380 is one ugly bird.
Maxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19890 times:
My first post here... Long time lurker.
Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. During QF's only 380 visit to PER I was lucky enough to be standing pretty much directly in front of her as she taxied on to the ramp and those wings were just magnificent, so graceful.
I think the A380 is a beautiful aircraft, but I think that of anything mechanical that flies. Living under the flightpath into PER is a joy for me, certainly not a negative.
Tropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 40, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19429 times:
As it has been said many times before, airlines do not care one iota about the looks of an airplane so long as it is efficient. Unfortunately aircraft designers don't have aviation enthusiasts in mind when they design a new model. And many passengers aren't even aware what they are flying in, let alone caring about the looks of the bird in question.
I myself don't like the nose of the A380 but it is still a mighty impressive machine, and the wings alone make up for any ugliness elsewhere. The A380-900 model will be better proportioned as well and a better looker.
Astuteman From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 89 Reply 41, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 19005 times:
Quoting Maxter (Reply 50): I think the A380 is a beautiful aircraft, but I think that of anything mechanical that flies
I can't think of a finer way to open your posting account at A-net!
I'm firmly in that camp - I think they're ALL great..
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 42, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18766 times:
Quoting Tropical (Reply 51): As it has been said many times before, airlines do not care one iota about the looks of an airplane so long as it is efficient.
Thank god the laws of aerodynamics prevent airplanes to be really ugly (those few aircarft who were really ugly, werent very aerodynamic). Its all relative, on a high level of beauty.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 1058 posts, RR: 0 Reply 43, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18345 times:
Quoting Maxter (Reply 50): QF's only 380 visit to PER I was lucky enough to be standing pretty much directly in front of her as she taxied on to the ramp and those wings were just magnificent, so graceful.
I think the A380 is a beautiful aircraft, but I think that of anything mechanical that flies
Well spoken. I like the almost all-white AF A380 (the Great White ). But I cannot wait to see the A380 in the beautiful colors of KE!
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 44, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16550 times:
Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 35): ... looks like the Boeing design guys found it difficult to make a good looking nose on a double-decker too... makes the Airbus design guys look like gods to have made the A380 look so good!
Thats because the cockpit is placed too low. It must be up there like on a 747 to look "sharp", otherwise a doubledecker will always suffer from having a stupid guppy´s head. The A380 has beautiful wings and tail, but I cant get used to the nose.
TN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 376 posts, RR: 1 Reply 45, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16307 times:
Quoting Maxter (Reply 41): My first post here... Long time lurker.
Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. During QF's only 380 visit to PER I was lucky enough to be standing pretty much directly in front of her as she taxied on to the ramp and those wings were just magnificent, so graceful.
I think the A380 is a beautiful aircraft, but I think that of anything mechanical that flies. Living under the flightpath into PER is a joy for me, certainly not a negative.
Cheers,
G'day mate, welcome, happy posting! Can you get real close to the threshhold in PER?? (have not been to PER since 1987).
remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
WA707atMSP From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1080 posts, RR: 6 Reply 47, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15391 times:
I still think the best scheme on the A380 would have been Braniff's "jellybean" scheme. Imagine a lineup of A380s in orange, red, turquoise, yellow, and Panagra green jellybean schemes!
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6982 posts, RR: 10 Reply 49, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14846 times:
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 51): I still think the best scheme on the A380 would have been Braniff's "jellybean" scheme. Imagine a lineup of A380s in orange, red, turquoise, yellow, and Panagra green jellybean schemes!
Sadly, that's one image that we'll never see.....
That would have been nice, yes. Its so sad no one has ever followed up with a similar design idea, which imho was one of the best livery ideas of all time. One basic design, many colours.
I´m looking forward to Korean Airs A380, that´ll be a pretty sight. They´ll have the best-looking A380s, together with VS. When is the first one out to be delivered for these two airlines?
In general liveries without cheatlines suit the A380 best. SQs livery isnt really good on the A380. You can see its been designed for single-deckers.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 1 Reply 50, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14743 times:
No such word as Airfrance in the English language
I have to say when I first saw the Air gap France colour scheme in the 70's as a teenage spotter on their A300's and 727's I thought wow! Looked cool in the 80's, wore well in the 90's, but now?
I suspect my grandchildren will also see Airfrance Airbus 490's and Boeing 878's rolled out in exactly the same colour scheme
2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 8175 posts, RR: 65 Reply 51, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14241 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 35): Wooow, the Moby Dick of the skies!
I still think they should have placed the APU above and slightly behind the flight deck. That way, the venting exhaust would resemble a blowhole.
Quoting NA (Reply 38): Euro?white, strange word creation. How does Amiwhite or Asiawhite look like then?
"Eurowhite" isn't mean to be disparaging toward Europe. I think it simply gained popularity due to the prevalence of all-white (or nearly all-white) liveries based there.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 53, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13941 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 52): Quoting Solnabo (Reply 35):
Wooow, the Moby Dick of the skies!
I still think they should have placed the APU above and slightly behind the flight deck. That way, the venting exhaust would resemble a blowhole.
Oh that made my morning.
The EK A380 still attracts huge crowds at YYZ despite being in service for quite a few weeks. It is an impressive bird. Because it is the biggest and newest aircraft it still inspires a lot of interest. How quiet it is on take off, even directly behind it, is amazing. However, the "looks" haven't grown on me at all. But the design aestethics is for aircraft lovers and not the general public or even travelers.
WA707atMSP From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1080 posts, RR: 6 Reply 56, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13455 times:
Quoting NA (Reply 53): Quoting 2H4 (Reply 52):
I think it simply gained popularity due to the prevalence of all-white (or nearly all-white) liveries based there.
Which is a myth not reflecting the reality. You dont see "white" schemes more in Europe than anywhere else.
The first two major airlines to adopt the all white fuselage were Air France and UTA, and airlines in Europe switched to all white schemes earlier than airlines in other parts of the world.
Huaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13181 times:
Quoting Maxter (Reply 39): I think the A380 is a beautiful aircraft, but I think that of anything mechanical that flies. Living under the flightpath into PER is a joy for me, certainly not a negative.
Amen to that too, and welcome!
It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the Mainland Chinese! :)
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 4296 posts, RR: 44 Reply 58, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12815 times:
I was initially sceptical about the new Air France colours and would have preferred them to go for something innovative, but seeing them here on the A380 my doubts have been dispelled. It looks SUPERB. Would be nice if Air France could keep it that clean though.
YULWinterSkies From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1485 posts, RR: 7 Reply 59, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11467 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10): Eurowhite liveries display an incredible lack of creativity. Airlines using them have missed an opportunity to effectively differentiate their brand.
Agreed. Yet, in the specific case of AF (and UTA), the eurowhite was creative as they were the forst airlines to introduce it. Too bad they haven't patented the whole thing.
EI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1405 posts, RR: 32 Reply 60, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11142 times:
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Please - no more references to Air France and the cleanliness of their planes. This has been discussed many times before. Let's not bring it up once again here.
The markings look temporary. Almost as though they are planning to sell the aircraft to another airline and are purposely making an effort to ease the future repainting process.
According to his article AF will only get their claws on this plane in October!
What´s taking so long?
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10): I think it looks miserable. I don't think liveries should be overly elaborate or gaudy, but Eurowhite liveries display an incredible lack of creativity. Airlines using them have missed an opportunity to effectively differentiate their brand.
Well said, I´m a fan of companies like KLM / Korean / Avianca / TAME etc who step out of the ordinary with regards to their livery.
White is cheaper, but still...........can´t CO / SQ / BA / LH / AF / Quantas (etc etc) anno 2009 come up with something more original? Good advertisement is business right?
If your planes stand out.......it may add to the airlline´s image!
It seems that the they should be bigger and "fill-in" more of the aircraft, but it would be probably too big if they did. It's a challenging aircraft....
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Huaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 69, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6622 times:
Quoting EcuadorianMD11 (Reply 67): can´t CO / SQ / BA / LH / AF / Quantas (etc etc) anno 2009 come up with something more original?
Oh but CO has a grey belly and cheatline, SQ has a cheatline, BA has a blue belly, LH has a light grey belly, and QF has an "extended tail" (ok that's stretching it a little!), so I don't think they should be compared with AF!
There are better targets to pick on...AR, JA, SA, IY, LX, ME, PR, TK...
[Edited 2009-07-09 17:07:32]
It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the Mainland Chinese! :)
Well said. The A380 is a challenging aircraft but i think some simple liveries look good on it. Personally i love this AF one. However, i reckon the A380 will look better in a livery which covers the tail and the rear of the fuselage. Thats why, IMO, Thai will have one amazing looking A380! I dont know why i like this AF one, i want to hate it but i just dont! Yet, strangely, i have never much liked the AF livery on other jets.
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2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 8175 posts, RR: 65 Reply 73, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6517 times:
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Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 71): The A380 is a challenging aircraft but i think some simple liveries look good on it.
The thing to do with the A380 is add shapes and lines that de-emphasize the bulbous aspects of the design. One way to do this is to visually raise the height of the belly with a darker underside, much like the new Delta livery does:
In all of these cases, we can see how a livery needn't be gaudy or elaborate to enhance the look of an aircraft. I believe with some creativity, an airline could design a reasonably simple livery that minimizes the less-than-attractive aspects of the A380. Longitudinal lines, for example, would add visual length...something that would enhance the look of the A380.
And in addition to improving the overall look of the aircraft, some elegant creativity would counter the bland, boring look of Air France.
DL752 From United States, joined Jul 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 74, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6156 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 64): The markings look temporary. Almost as though they are planning to sell the aircraft to another airline and are purposely making an effort to ease the future repainting process.
I agree.
Even though the aircraft is white from the second floor down I still love it!
When a huge plane like the A380 is in a Eurowhite livery it almost looks as if it is not finished being painted yet. I feel like there should be something else added.
All in all it looks stunning!
DL752
Ssublyme From United States, joined Dec 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 75, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
AirFrance has announced it's first destination with the A380 will be NY. So looks like NY gets the A380 back vs. Toronto(EK) & Montreal getting A380 service.
Maxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 76, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5351 times:
Quoting TN486 (Reply 45): G'day mate, welcome, happy posting! Can you get real close to the threshold in PER?? (have not been to PER since 1987).
Thanks TN, when the big bird came to PER, she parked to one side of the international terminal (T1?). I wish I knew how to post thumbnails, I have a heap of pictures of the day.
Anyhow, it was quite close to the side fence so we all had a great view of her.
Emphasizing on a typing error hardly answers the dull Qantas design question!
Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 69): Oh but SA)">CO has a grey belly and cheatline, SQ has a cheatline, BA has a blue belly, LH has a light grey belly, and QF has an "extended tail" (ok that's stretching it a little!), so I don't think they should be compared with AF!
There are better targets to pick on...AR, JA, SA, IY, LX, ME, PR, TK...
Fair enough........I don´t argue with that!
But when I read between the lines, I feel you do get my drift though......they are rather similar after all.
Especially for people passing by an average airport..........without carrying binoculars!
But still, my fault for not stating better examples..........like you indicate.........there are MANY examples!
So why on earth don´t we have more different, more adventurous designs?
DocLightning From United States, joined Nov 2005, 7516 posts, RR: 50 Reply 81, posted (5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 64):
The markings look temporary. Almost as though they are planning to sell the aircraft to another airline and are purposely making an effort to ease the future repainting process.
Maybe that's because...
Now, would someone go to their branding department and point out that AIR FRANCE has a space in it?
Mpsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 83, posted (5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4296 times:
Well, it certainly is clean. I realize that this is a difficult aircraft to create a strong artistic impact on but I feel this "clean" design is almost too clean. On a positive note, it's not offensive.
1. Lack of desire of AF to get it, or any other aircraft, sooner.
2. Lack of desire of Airbus to increase staffing levels needed to get aircraft out faster when the backlog isn't very strong and most carriers around the world are looking to defer just about all aircraft, especially large ones.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
If I recall correctly Air France doesn't want an "orphan" plane for a long time in the fleet. So, they decided to get two A380's in a rather quick succession in Q4. That would make the start of the operations more easier for them.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18473 posts, RR: 60 Reply 88, posted (5 months 6 days ago) and read 2781 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 87): That would make the start of the operations more easier for them.
That makes sense, too. But they will need some time to route prove and get the crews up to speed, so having one is fine for this. And they only need 1 plane to do CDG-JFK-CDG daily, so they could easily operate with a single A380 for a while, subbing in a 77W if there was a technical problem.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 12 Reply 89, posted (5 months 6 days ago) and read 2697 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 88): That makes sense, too. But they will need some time to route prove and get the crews up to speed, so having one is fine for this. And they only need 1 plane to do CDG-JFK-CDG daily, so they could easily operate with a single A380 for a while, subbing in a 77W if there was a technical problem.
Well, it's not that they will receive two A380's in Q4 on the same day. They will be some weeks apart, so the first one will do the proving. They just want the time span to be short, which I can understand, and start A380 operations as smooth and soon as possible without the chance of subbing. If a A380 is fully booked, subbing it with a B744 or B77W will mean that quite a lot of passengers are stranded and need to be rebooked.
EcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 90, posted (5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 86): 1. Lack of desire of AF to get it, or any other aircraft, sooner.
2. Lack of desire of Airbus to increase staffing levels needed to get aircraft out faster when the backlog isn't very strong and most carriers around the world are looking to defer just about all aircraft, especially large ones.
Okay, that makes sense.............
So what, Airbus works "day shift only"........to bide some time!?
Alphaomega From United States, joined Aug 2005, 308 posts, RR: 0 Reply 91, posted (5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 81): Now, would someone go to their branding department and point out that AIR FRANCE has a space in it?
The lack of the space between Air and France is intentional - its supposed to be part of their new identity and one of the AF guys explained it to me before but I forget what the reasoning was - anyone have any light on it?
Aircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3 Reply 92, posted (5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 91):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 81):
Now, would someone go to their branding department and point out that AIR FRANCE has a space in it?
The lack of the space between Air and France is intentional - its supposed to be part of their new identity and one of the AF guys explained it to me before but I forget what the reasoning was - anyone have any light on it?
Would venture it has to do with internet adress...
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