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Plane Crashed In Gulf Of Mexico (N4467D)  
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19951 times:

The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for five people in the Gulf of Mexico whose twin-engine plane went down Wednesday afternoon.

Helicopters and boats are searching about 16 miles off the coast of Port Richey.

The pilot and passengers were traveling in a twin engine Cessna 421 from Texas to Tampa when it apparently went into the Gulf at around 3 p.m., the Coast Guard said.

The aircraft is registered to Q4 Aviation LLC in Carrollton, Texas.

Jim Hester, a manager at Quality Powder Coating LP in Carrollton, Texas, tearfully confirmed that someone owning the plane at that address was heading to Tampa.

He would not comment on who was aboard, saying he first had to talk to the Coast Guard.

The Federal Aviation Administration's Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center reported losing radar and radio contact with the aircraft about 1:52 p.m., when it was about 45 miles northwest of Tampa, FAA spokesman Jim Peters in New York said.

"The report was that the aircraft may have run into turbulence," Peters said.

Peters said the FAA immediately notified the Coast Guard and provided the aircraft's last known location.

"Based on the fact that we got the report of turbulence and lost radio and radar contact, we made the presumption that the plane went into Gulf of Mexico,'' Peters said.

The FAA could not confirm how many people were on the aircraft. Peters said it had been flying at about 5,000 feet.

The Coast Guard says the aircraft left Collin County Regional Airport in McKinney, Texas, this morning and was bound for Tampa International Airport.

Anna Folmnsbee, a spokeswoman for the City of McKinney, said the airport's tower confirmed that a plane matching that description left the airport at 10 a.m. She said the plane is a tenant of a hanger managed by a private company, Cutter Aviation.

A person answering the phone at Cutter Aviation declined comment this evening.

Anthony Reynes, meteorologist for the National Weather Service in Ruskin, said there was a line of showers and thunderstorms in the Gulf this afternoon at the time the plane dropped off the radar.

The Coast Guard has sent rescue boat crews from the Sand Key station in Clearwater, along with an HH-60 Jayhawk rescue helicopter crew.

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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19913 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...D/history/20090708/1455Z/KTKI/KTPA

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19890 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Thread starter):
The pilot and passengers were traveling in a twin engine Cessna 421 from Texas to Tampa when it apparently went into the Gulf at around 3 p.m.,



Quoting JoseKMLB (Thread starter):
The Federal Aviation Administration's Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center reported losing radar and radio contact with the aircraft about 1:52 p.m.,

Unless I'm missing something these two times don't seem to jive. Did they not believe that the plane had gone down until they hadn't had contact for over an hour? Could someone clarify?



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19890 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):

i put its flight track up just now last known alt was 6,000ft. I got this news off flightaware


User currently offlineNjxc500 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19845 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Unless I'm missing something these two times don't seem to jive.

The flightaware post is in CDT, Flightaware shows EDT

The last report indicates a descent of 1300 fpm, previous descents were more like 500.....

Does anyone know what time the radar image is from that is shown on the track map?

Let's hope for good news.

Nick


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19777 times:



Quoting Njxc500 (Reply 4):

Would say maybe around 1430-1445 from how far it was from KTPA


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19745 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 3):
I got this news off flightaware

So that means that the plane was flying IFR right? Plus, at that distance and altitude, I would assume that they would be in contact with Tampa approach. So how do they lose a plane on an IFR flightplan for over an hour (in the post 9/11 world no less) before they suspect that it has gone down? I am not trying to start a conspiracy theory or anything, but it seems that there is an hour gap in the timeline.

Also, what are the rules for small aircraft regarding life vests/rafts? I can't help but notice that the entire flight was feet dry until they neared Tampa.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19613 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
So how do they lose a plane on an IFR flightplan for over an hour (in the post 9/11 world no less) before they suspect that it has gone down?

They did not - from the original post

Quoting JoseKMLB (Thread starter):
Peters said the FAA immediately notified the Coast Guard and provided the aircraft's last known location.

"Based on the fact that we got the report of turbulence and lost radio and radar contact, we made the presumption that the plane went into Gulf of Mexico,'' Peters said.

Coast Guard searches take some time to get organized and in the air and arrive at the location. In this case about an hour apparently.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19485 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 7):
Coast Guard searches take some time to get organized and in the air and arrive at the location. In this case about an hour apparently.

That must be the explanation.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19440 times:

Thoughts and prayers with all involved. I hope for a good outcome.  Sad

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19328 times:

Unfortunately I think I know this airplane and the people who fly it.

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19140 times:

From a Tampa TV station web site

Quote:
The U.S. Coast Guard has discovered a two-mile debris field in the area where it is searching for five people in the Gulf of Mexico whose twin-engine plane went down this afternoon.

Helicopters and boats are searching about 16 miles off the coast of Port Richey. Reported conditions are 23-knot winds and five-foot seas, with a water temperature of 84 degrees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul...-5-reported-missing/news-breaking/


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16429 times:

So it was going from Texas to Florida, that's more like it...... some people will try to be brave and cross the Gulf entirely in a piston (MIA-Cancun or MIA-Cozumel). My friend wanted to do it in a single piston, a Bonanza...I don't know about that

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15031 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Also, what are the rules for small aircraft regarding life vests/rafts? I can't help but notice that the entire flight was feet dry until they neared Tampa.

For a planned over land flight, no life vests are needed. From the flight track, it looks like he was trying to thread his way through the thunderstorm squall line. He was not very far off the coast. It looks like the USCG found floating wreckage about 16 nm off the coast. To find the rest of the wreckage, they need to put wind direction and water current direction together to get a better fix. If there were survivors, that cling to floating debris, or life vests, they could still be alive with an 84 degree water temp. Finding them would still be difficult, though.

My thought and prayers are with them.


User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13626 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
So it was going from Texas to Florida, that's more like it...... some people will try to be brave and cross the Gulf entirely in a piston (MIA-Cancun or MIA-Cozumel). My friend wanted to do it in a single piston, a Bonanza...I don't know about that

What is the point of your post...Piston powered A/C fly over open water everyday. What make a jet or turboprop any different...I find your input lacking and rude..."that's more like it..." I mean really

RYAN
FLTOPS


User currently offlineDelta2058 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13187 times:

That was one serious line of thunderstorms. We got hammered on the ground from them yesterday. I cannot imagine flying anywhere near that system. Our summer thunderstorms have been unusually violent in West-Central FL for so early in the summer this year.

Condolences to all involved.



Smooth seas do not make skilled sailors.
User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13152 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
So it was going from Texas to Florida, that's more like it...... some people will try to be brave and cross the Gulf entirely in a piston (MIA-Cancun or MIA-Cozumel). My friend wanted to do it in a single piston, a Bonanza...I don't know about that

If you would click on the FlightAware track above - you would see the path of the aircraft was only over water for the descent and landing into the Tampa area.

This isn't the aircraft I thought it was, but one from a nearby hanger.


User currently offlineAtv18ar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13059 times:

juventus, Next time you decide to make certain comments please look at ALL the information... cough-flightaware-cough...

User currently offlineDelta2058 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

The Flightaware track also shows the flight path splitting that massive squal line.


Smooth seas do not make skilled sailors.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9519 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
From the flight track, it looks like he was trying to thread his way through the thunderstorm squall line. He was not very far off the coast.



Quoting Delta2058 (Reply 18):
The Flightaware track also shows the flight path splitting that massive squal line.

That's what I said.


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