ClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 30 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5843 times:
I have always wondered why they do it. I suppose it's down to the individual airline cabin layout, but I was traveling in BA's Club World last week (Mid J) on the main deck and I Had 2 windows blocked.
Are you able to have windows the full length of the fuselage? or does it in some way affect the integrity of the structure if you do?
Extra area for wiring to be hidden maybe... I don't now...
I appreciate this is not an awe inspiring subject for discussion, but it's been intriguing me for a while now.
Sorry if my question has already been answered previously.
AA737-823 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 4015 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
If you were on a 747, and were seated anywhere near the forward edge of the wing, there are multiple windows blocked out on that (and most other Boeing, and I think Airbus but I'm not sure) aircraft for the risers, which carry conditioned air FROM the AC pack system mix manifolds (in the belly) TO the cabin distribution system (in the main deck ceiling).
Sitting next to these areas (as I did on a KLM 74M from LAX-AMS for TEN HOURS) is quite annoying, as the whoosh of air can be heard even at cruise speed sometimes!
Window plugs are entirely different, and are typically installed in galleys or lavatories, to save money on maintaining windows that cannot even be enjoyed by passengers.
Hope that answers your questions.
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Thanks for that Compressive breakdown, much appreciated.
It was on a 744, the seat was definitely over the wing 20A if my memory serves, just before Door 3L. Must have been for the risers as you have suggested.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 3373 posts, RR: 46 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5682 times:
They also spare out windows especially at props but also some jets besides the prop blade, to lower the chance that a separated prop or fan blade and rocks propelled away by the propellors can damage the aircraft or wound the passengers.
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VirginFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 4226 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
AA737-823 has it in a nut shell. If you're after more info, the positioning of the air conditioning risers was discussed in this thread a while back: Air Duct Position (by Pilotboi Mar 9 2008 in Tech Ops)
I could have sworn there was another discussion about them in Tech/Ops within the last couple of months, but I can't for the life of me find it, I'm sorry...
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B727fan From United States, joined Apr 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4515 times:
Not exactly "blocked" windows, but I just flew on a DL CRJ 900 yesterday for the first time and it was annoying to have the window seat, yet not being able to look out unless you lean over to be able to look outside!! At first I thought that maybe it was the seating configuration, but looked around and all seats seemed to be that way! Well, perhaps the CRJ engineers have something against window seats since the 100 & 200 series have them so low!
Pellegrine From United States, joined Mar 2007, 1098 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting B727fan (Reply 6): Not exactly "blocked" windows, but I just flew on a DL CRJ 900 yesterday for the first time and it was annoying to have the window seat, yet not being able to look out unless you lean over to be able to look outside!!
If you think that's bad try the CRJ-100/200 which I have had the agony of enduring extensively through US's CLT hub. Looking out of the window will give you a hunchback. IIRC the 700/900 have raised window belts.
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FlyDeltaJets87 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 4489 posts, RR: 23 Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
Quoting B727fan (Reply 6):
Not exactly "blocked" windows, but I just flew on a DL CRJ 900 yesterday for the first time and it was annoying to have the window seat, yet not being able to look out unless you lean over to be able to look outside!! At first I thought that maybe it was the seating configuration, but looked around and all seats seemed to be that way! Well, perhaps the CRJ engineers have something against window seats since the 100 & 200 series have them so low!
As someone who's 6'4, I can agree. The CRJ-700 & 900 are tolerable, so long as you're in or ahead of the exit row. If you're stuck in a row behind the exit row, you have to lean pretty far forward. But the 100 & 200 are just awful regardless of where you are.
Seat Guru is pretty good at helping you avoid "windowless" window seats. I always check this site when selecting my seats. When the family went to Hawaii in 2005, I tried to warn my parents that I thought two of us were in the "windowless" row on the flight back and that they should check Seat Guru but they didn't listen. Turned out I was right, and I made them sit in the windowless row since they refused to listen to me.
B727fan From United States, joined Apr 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 months 10 hours ago) and read 522 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8): How tall are you? The floor was lowered on the 700's and 900s to fix this problem.
5'-11"
Quoting Boeing12345 (Reply 9): Not sure but I think he meant he has to lean forward to look out the window as the windows and seats are not perfectly aligned.
You got it, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks.
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 7): If you think that's bad try the CRJ-100/200 which I have had the agony of enduring extensively through US's CLT hub.
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10): But the 100 & 200 are just awful regardless of where you are.
Yep! I hate their design and how you break your back trying to look out through those low windows as well,
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