KiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 5 Posted (4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8997 times:
I was looking at the pics of the A300 from Lufthansa performing it's last service, and it got me thinking.
Has it ever happened where an airliner has crashed on it's final voyage, (obviously if it crashed then it is the final voyage....but you know what I mean)
I guess planes at the end of their life might have a slight statistically higher chance of crashing. Older, end of a maintenance cycle, etc.
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Kiwiandrew From Mauritius, joined Jun 2005, 5438 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8968 times:
one that was close but not quite there was CI 611 , while flying TPE-HKG on 25/05/2002 on what was supposed to be its second to last flight for CI it disintegrated in midair . Had it not done so it was to be withdrawn from CI service after flying the return leg HKG-TPE , it would then have gone to Orient Thai Airlines as CI had sold the aircraft to them ( reportedly for only about USD 1.45 million )
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Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 1571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8909 times:
Quoting KiwiinOz (Thread starter): I guess planes at the end of their life might have a slight statistically higher chance of crashing. Older, end of a maintenance cycle, etc.
For some airlines, yes, for more airlines, maybe. But not for a Lufthansa aircraft. I'm sure they are as perfect on their last scheduled flight as an aircraft can be.
Kiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8823 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1): one that was close but not quite there was CI 611 , while flying TPE-HKG on 25/05/2002 on what was supposed to be its second to last flight for CI it disintegrated in midair . Had it not done so it was to be withdrawn from CI service after flying the return leg HKG-TPE , it would then have gone to Orient Thai Airlines as CI had sold the aircraft to them ( reportedly for only about USD 1.45 million )
What type of aircraft? I don't remember this one? Was it a pax flight?
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MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 3374 posts, RR: 46 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8816 times:
There have been a few crashes on ferry flights to the scrap yard, I can only think of a 707 crashed in 1990 now. The problem there was they already took parts from the cockpit so the pilots had difficulty in, well flying the aircraft, see http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19900920-1
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RFields5421 From United States, joined Jul 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8403 times:
It was not an aircraft last flight but the Captain's last flight - Continental 603 - a DC-10-10 at LAX on takeoff from Rwy 6R on March 1, 1978. My memory of an interview with the captain is that the flight/ crash occured the day before his 60th birthday and was his last scheduled flight.
Tires burst on the left main landing gear just before V1. The captain rejected the takeoff, but due to the combination of a wet runway and loss of braking power due to three blown tires, the aircraft went off the end of the runway, the left main broke off and fire erupted. The plane came to a stop 664 feet past the end of the runway. All 200 people onboard evacuated safely, though there were injuries and two deaths.
The first fire truck responded before the aircraft had gone off the runway, a member of the crew observed the tire bursts and rejected takeoff attempt. They arrived at the burning aircraft approx 90 seconds after the aircraft stopped. That truck did not fight the fire, but used their onboard foam to protected the passenger and crew evacuation from the right side of the plane.
Two 3,000 gallon trucks arrived from the main fire station approx 4 min after the plane stopped and had the fire out in about 2 minutes.
There was no failure of the cabin structure. There was no fire in the cabin. There was some small amount of smoke, but it did not hinder the evacuation.
The evacuation took almost 5 minutes to complete, despite the flight attendants realizing a rejected takeoff had occured, that the gear had broken and that a fire was raging outside the plane. Being able to evacuate on only one side of the plane, along with slide failures slowed the evac. The average age of the passengers was 60 years - and the reduced mobility contributed to the slow evacuation - along with many of the evacuation injuries.
The left side slides were of course unusable and all of the right side slides failed from radiant heat from the fire before the evacuation could be completed - though a little over half the people on the plane out on the slides before they failed.
Two passengers died near a failed evacuation slide - 3R near the leading edge of the wing. The male had not traumatic injuries however the female suffered a broken vertebrate and three broken ribs. The NTSB report indicated the male probably used the slide successfully and the female either fell from the aircraft with the slide deflated or was hit by another falling passenger.
About half of the remaining people jumped from the doors and about half jumped from the trailing edge of the wing. Six crew members used a rope to evacuate.
The NTSB report agreed with the decision to reject the takeoff, though it does describe problems with the balanced field concept for stopping after a rejected takeoff with reduced baking power due to blown tires.
This aircraft was at MTOW of approx 430,000 lbs and the crew did use full reverse thrust in attempting to stop the plane. The NTSB and the airport fire departement did note that the tire burst punctured the left side fuel tanks and there appeared to be fire trailing from the aircraft in that area before the main gear failed but that could not be confirmed.
Extspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 833 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8051 times:
Again like the CI 742, how about the A320 that was being transferred back to NZ after being leased to XL Germany and crashed into the sea off Perpignan?
Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3063 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
I was on one of the last flights and some pax were really scared about the fact that this plane will not fly any longer - they thought it was an old and unsafe aircraft...
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