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DL 902 Operated By Pinnacle Airlines  
User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Why is a Delta Connection using a 3-digit flight number? This has never been done before. DL 902 operates MCI-ATL-TLH. In the fall it will change to ATL-LEX-ATL..

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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

There is also a Delta 850 that goes MCI-ATL-GSP operating by Pinnacle! That's crazy. I've never seen this either!

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

All Pinnacle flights are 8xx and 9xx now. Couldn't tell you why, though.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4500 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

This maybe a theory out of left field, but if Regional flights have always been four digits, this may be an effort to hide that from passengers who aren't doing a lot of research. Lets face it, Regional Airlines have taken a pounding in the press lately, and Pinnacle being the parent company of Colgan doesn't exactly help them in the PR department.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Renumbering the flights to former mainline numbers doesn't diminish the level of suck.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7443 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6826 times:
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Here's the sad part. Aside from the actual size of the a/c, I can no longer tell the difference between connection and mainline. You know, they always wanted the service to be "seamless" but both sides "suck" equally now-a-days.


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User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6820 times:

This is not new. A year or so ago, (IIRC) some BUF - ATL flights were using the 1xxx and 2xxx series, normally manline. Suprised me!


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User currently offlineExtspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

Get to europe then. FR seems to be running out of numbers; ATM in the Air is FR9988 on Pisa - Trapani, I have gone on FR3124/3125 STN - VLL. Its not just FR either, U2 goes up into the 9XXXs. I have gone on the U2 6267/6270 BRS - PRG and U2 6035/6036 BRS - MAD. Flightnumbers are as good as random for working out equipment unless its longhaul and there is only 1 type which can cover the range.


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User currently offlineWidget1580 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 351 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

I believe CO also does this with their XE flights. It's weird how they only did it for Pinnacle and none of the other 76 seat operators...


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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6679 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 3):
This maybe a theory out of left field, but if Regional flights have always been four digits, this may be an effort to hide that from passengers who aren't doing a lot of research. Lets face it, Regional Airlines have taken a pounding in the press lately, and Pinnacle being the parent company of Colgan doesn't exactly help them in the PR department.

That can't be legal. I believe the flights have to be registered under the certificate of whomever is doing the flying. So a Pinnacle flight has to be filed as a pinnacle flight, much like the NW flights have to be filed as NW flights even though DL owns them.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6579 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 9):
That can't be legal. I believe the flights have to be registered under the certificate of whomever is doing the flying. So a Pinnacle flight has to be filed as a pinnacle flight, much like the NW flights have to be filed as NW flights even though DL owns them.

The flight number used by Delta are chosen by Delta. The FAA just cares who is operating the flight and the callsign used. There are numerous times when the flight number and the callsign do not match. It is perfectly legal for the airline that dictates the flight number to have any aircraft they want operate the flight. Regional contracts usually include an agreement that says that Delta will dictate the schedule and the flight numbers. The callsigns usually match those flight numbers but they are not governed by the FAA.



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User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Apparently we've moved on up to the deeelux flight number in the sky.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6430 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 3):
This maybe a theory out of left field, but if Regional flights have always been four digits, this may be an effort to hide that from passengers who aren't doing a lot of research. Lets face it, Regional Airlines have taken a pounding in the press lately, and Pinnacle being the parent company of Colgan doesn't exactly help them in the PR department.

I think you're totally out of the park on that one. A) There's nothing to "hide" when they always indicate the regional operator when searching for flights. and B) If the passengers aren't "doing a lot of research", then they probably don't even know what the flight number indicates anyways, let alone even realize it's a different operator then Delta. On top of that C) A little hard to keep it a "secret" once they arrive to the airport and see a tiny jet with the word CONNECTION on it.


User currently offlineEraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6406 times:

Maybe DL is in the works to impliment mainling style flights numbers to regional flights that have F/C onboard which is inline with a more mainline like product.

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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6388 times:

In a similar vein, has there ever been a case in which say, hypothetically, a mainline 737-300 has gone tech and replaced by a CRJ operated by a regional airline DBA the mainline? If so, has this changed the flight number? I would think that this would not happen very often as, for one thing, the paperwork would be a nightmare.


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User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6201 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 14):
In a similar vein, has there ever been a case in which say, hypothetically, a mainline 737-300 has gone tech and replaced by a CRJ operated by a regional airline DBA the mainline? If so, has this changed the flight number?

Yes, this does usually change the flight number, as the replacement flight would be an 'extra section' on the part of the regional airline, and airlines usually have a range of flight numbers designated for extra sections, just like they have flight numbers for maintenance ferries, charters, etc.

For example, where I work, there was one night flight 7689, operated by our regional carrier was cancelled due to mechanical, and replaced with a mainline section operated as flight 2689, or in reverse, when one of our mainline flights cancel and is replaced with a regional, it operates as a flight number designated by the regional as an extra section.


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

That's correct, BOS2LAF. The regionals are always in their assigned series of flight numbers.


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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Maybe it's there way of trying to convince the passengers that there's a grown up pilot up front who actually gets paid something to show up and fly your airplane?

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5930 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 17):
Maybe it's there way of trying to convince the passengers that there's a grown up pilot up front who actually gets paid something to show up and fly your airplane?

It's called all flying done by mainline.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5780 times:



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 1):
There is also a Delta 850 that goes MCI-ATL-GSP operating by Pinnacle! That's crazy. I've never seen this either!

I noticed DAY-ATL has a couple of the three-digit CR9 flights coming up soon as well.

I also noticed that DL has also moved around some of the regional four-digit flight numbers. Comair flights are up to the 6800s when they all used to be 5000s. Something related to the merger, maybe?



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5757 times:



Quoting Eraugrad02 (Reply 13):
Maybe DL is in the works to impliment mainling style flights numbers to regional flights that have F/C onboard which is inline with a more mainline like product.

Now that sounds like a valid reason. Not sure if it's true, but it's possible.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7443 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
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Quoting Soxfan (Reply 14):
I would think that this would not happen very often as, for one thing, the paperwork would be a nightmare.

Not really.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 19):
I also noticed that DL has also moved around some of the regional four-digit flight numbers. Comair flights are up to the 6800s when they all used to be 5000s. Something related to the merger, maybe?

Has to be. bear in mind we now have the addition on NW Connection carriers.



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User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Could it be a sign the airlines are finally realizing the callsigns were confusing before and teh fact that Air Traffic controllers have been going nuts with similar sounding call signs on regional carriers with people answering the wrong call causing a problem. I flew for a small commuter back in '02 and our call signs were all 86.. and we had a micro hub in ALB. The controllers and pilots were both tounge tied and screwing up left and right..

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1657 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4273 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 19):

I also noticed that DL has also moved around some of the regional four-digit flight numbers. Comair flights are up to the 6800s when they all used to be 5000s. Something related to the merger, maybe?

It's not just DL coded flights either. They switched up the 9E and XJ NW coded flight numbers too.


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4300 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4162 times:



Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 22):
Could it be a sign the airlines are finally realizing the callsigns were confusing before and teh fact that Air Traffic controllers have been going nuts with similar sounding call signs on regional carriers with people answering the wrong call causing a problem. I flew for a small commuter back in '02 and our call signs were all 86.. and we had a micro hub in ALB. The controllers and pilots were both tounge tied and screwing up left and right..

That's doubtful in this situation. The flight numbers are getting shuffled around significantly every schedule change... this just has to do with bean counters.



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25 DurangoMac : You should see the flight range worksheet from DL, it's a mess because of the merger. The quicker they can get everyone onto DLTerm the quicker these
26 DeltaMD90 : I flew DL858 yesterday, MEM-ATL on a Pinnacle CR9. I think since they have a first class they are considering them kind of main line aircraft.
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : I really doubt it has anything to do with having an F cabin. As stated by many, DL has plenty of flight numbers with 4 digits (mainline). I highly do
28 Azjubilee : These flight number changes are in preparation for the combination in res systems. IT has a monumental task ahead of them to shift all flights from NW
29 Cubsrule : FWIW, though, there's nothing regulatory stopping DL mainline from operating Flight 7689 with a 772. Internal airline issues are, obviously, a differ
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