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New Airline Set To Fly: Pet Airways  
User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 531 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Pack your bags, animals ...

News Article:

Quote:
"Fur starts to fly as Pet Airways takes to the skies"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ays_090709/20090709?hub=TopStories

Web Site:

http://www.petairways.com/

LOL.

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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Lol
First class, FFP......
I would not want to be an FA on these flights....


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8754 times:



Quoting AC888YOW (Thread starter):
Pack your bags, animals ...

News Article:

Quote:
"Fur starts to fly as Pet Airways takes to the skies"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ays_090709/20090709?hub=TopStories

Web Site:

http://www.petairways.com/

LOL.

Didn't we discuss this back in May??


Pet Airways: Viable Business Model? (by Luv2cattlecall May 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4406344&searchid=4410129&s=+pet+airways#ID4410129



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8736 times:
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Quoting Meta (Reply 1):
I would not want to be an FA on these flights....

If I were an FA, I'd much rather work with actual animals than the flying public.  yes 

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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8712 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
Didn't we discuss this back in May??

I didn't, nor did I find that thread in a search. I won't be offended if you leave this thread due to lack of interest.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8668 times:



Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 4):
I didn't, nor did I find that thread in a search. I won't be offended if you leave this thread due to lack of interest.

There have been at least three threads about Pet Airways, including the one I mentioned which I DID find in the search. It's not that I have a lack of interest, just that while I find the idea commendable, in general, in reality, I think it lacks quite a bit of common sense.

The idea is fine if you just want to fly your pet to one of five or six major cities, but from what I can remember when I worked at DL cargo, breeders and other shippers of live animals, shipped to many more places than they will go. They're limiting their possible customer base, just by the type of equipment they'll be flying as well as the limited number of cities they're flying to.

Believe it or not, the airlines actually do a good job shipping animals, especially considering how many they may ship each day.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

Fair enough. My search yielded nothing which surprised me so I made a post. Perhaps I made a typo.

Mods can delete / shut this down if they want.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Well, I happened to remember that there was a thread, so I just searched for "Pet Airways" and here we are.

I just happened to look at their website and the part I find the most amusing (or naieve) is the fact that there customers won't be restricted by temperatures as they would if they were flying on the airlines. To me, that smacks of not caring for the animals' welfare when it comes to high or low temps. The other thing that I find that is funny is that the flying is being done by an outfit called Suburban Air Freight, out of OMA. Their operation will be subjected much more to the vagaries of the air traffic system as well as the weather.....the cities are LAX-DEN-ORD-BWI-NYC. Not sure which airports in any of those. All of this will be done with a Beech 99. How much range do they have, anyway? And if you're travelling to that destination, too, I guess you can't fly with your animal, as you would with the airline.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Saw a piece on them on the Today Show today and at the end they said that all flights were full for the first two months.

User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8476 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
All of this will be done with a Beech 99.

Wikipedia is correct on this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beech_99



Anything the US and EU build the Russians do it better! i.e. TU-144 vs Concorde and TU-154 vs The 727...
User currently offlineDeltaHolland From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Is this a real airline!? Also, is it possible to bring a pet overseas? (Not airline specific)

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8446 times:



Quoting DeltaHolland (Reply 10):
Is this a real airline!? Also, is it possible to bring a pet overseas? (Not airline specific)

This is a real PET airline. No humans allowed except for the pet attendants. No overseas routes, yet......might be just a tad difficult in a Beech 99.

Yes, in many cases you can either ship or have shipped a pet overseas. Check with the specific airline's cargo office for info.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8414 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
Didn't we discuss this back in May??

We did, but apparently they are starting flight on July 14. The last thread we didn't really know when or if they would ever fly.

I looked at their website, their prices seem a little high (more than people prices). They also fly to airports that seem pretty out of the way (except MDW). Seems like quite a hassle unless your pet really needs to fly "first class."


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Well first, they are using Suburban Air Freight to actually fly the aircraft.
Second, they will be using Beech 1900Cs.
Third. When I first looked them up in early June, Teterboro was their NYC area terminal, but since switched to ISP. And Pal Waukee was Chicago area terminal, but now Midway. Anyone know why the switches?
I think it is a very viable operation and wish them the best.
Next step is Federal Express-ish. Get some old Falcon 10s and begin transcon n/s PetJet flights if/when business warrants. I think next step for them is NY-S Florida service.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2554 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

I saw them this morning on GMA. At first I thought what a stupid way to loose a million dollars, start an airline for dogs. Then the they are booked solid for the next two months line came up. Next thought was my purebreed dog show friends. That is a great untapped rich market. I expect this airline to be adding more Be-1900 to service more cities in very fast order.

User currently offlineOswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

I give the airline 2 months max.... any other predictions out there? I do not believe the planes are full for the first two months.

User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8022 times:



Quoting Oswegobag (Reply 15):
I give the airline 2 months max.... any other predictions out there? I do not believe the planes are full for the first two months.

This might of worked during the economic boom but now that the economy is in the tank, I don't think there are enough people who will want to fly Fifi to Fiji. Or was that Brutus to Baltimore? Seems like the the new craze is putting your tiny dog into a tiny bag and placing it under the tiny seat in front of you. For a nominal fee, of course.



I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8022 times:



Quoting Oswegobag (Reply 15):
give the airline 2 months max.... any other predictions out there? I do not believe the planes are full for the first two months.

Well when they say the flights are full, how many animals per flight are they talking about? At the fares that they show on their website, I don't see how they'll make much money.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

Man I thought this was a joke but I guess they're serious. What a pathetic idea of an airline. Who in their right mind comes up with such a silly airline in these oh-so-great economic times?

$300? NY to LAX, ONE WAY!?!? Are they f'in nuts?

If they charged by weight MAYBE that would make more sense. I mean heck, you'd think they'd charge less for a chihuahua than for a cow-sized St Bernard.  Yeah sure

I'd hate to be the pilots too. I couldn't put up with the stench and constant barking, meowing and what have you not.

Quoting Oswegobag (Reply 15):
I give the airline 2 months max.... any other predictions out there?

2 flights, if they're lucky. They'll probably receive the airline Darwin Award like Independence, SkyBus, et al  banghead 


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Well the schedule isn't that demanding. Westbound Tuesday, Eastbound Thursday.

I'd rather put up with cats and dogs as opposed to people. With normal noises of flying I seriously doubt you'd hear them anyway.

At least their fliers won't be demanding IFE, top notch food, or complain because they had a little turbulence LOL. Plus, people will spend a lot for pets. Just look at how pet insurance has worked out!

What one should do now is offer pickup and dropoff service in these cities for the animals.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

I think this is a great idea, especially for those of us who want to be with our pets when we travel.
I once traveled to NZ only to have my dog off loaded from the plane because of a heating issue in the hold, The problem was that I was not told about this until I reached NZ, by that stage it was very late at night and I had to try and arrange family to pick her up from the airport in SYD and arrange another flight the following day. Not easy when your in another country and the airline really couldn't careless.

So bravo I wish it every success.



Flown 905,468 kms or 2.356 times to the moon, 1296 hrs, Longest flight 10,524 kms
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10424 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7501 times:



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
I think this is a great idea, especially for those of us who want to be with our pets when we travel.

But, you wouldn't be WITH your pets on this airline. Pets only. I guess you have to find your own way to the destination and pick up your animal.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

I think this makes the creators of Skybus look like geniuses.


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User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting Article:
"It's actually an airline only for pets," Christie told CTV's Canada AM.
"It's not just pet friendly, you actually can't fly on this airline unless you're an animal. The only humans allowed on are the pet attendants."

What about the Pilots!  eek   Big grin


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

What's their current fleet?

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 23):
What about the Pilots!     

Hope they're not animals! Big grin



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
25 Highflier92660 : That was my first reaction when I saw this story last evening on the news. Do these Pet Airways people, who seem to have learned everything about the
26 Post contains links Aviators99 : Still hard to believe this is for real. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SUB1101
27 DLHFLYER : I thought I read that it would stop in Chicago. But NY-CHI and CHI-LA seem like its pushing it for the 1900's range.
28 Post contains links Tjwgrr : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SUB1101 So far running FRG-BWI-MDW-OMA- Interesting to see the rest of the route- wonder if they'll stop somewhere
29 Mayor : Do we know that this flight is being operated for Pet Airways?
30 Tjwgrr : Yep- pretty much given since it's the only B1900 departing FRG on the day Pet Airways began service and it's flying the route listed in articles.
31 PanHAM : The job's been taken by Miss Kitty clever marketing but technically they are not an airline. In shipping they'd be called an nvocc, (thats a non vess
32 Post contains links ItalianFlyer : NBC evening news did a piece about them last night. Said they are booked solid for the next 8 weeks. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31909297/ns/travel-pe
33 Mayor : Well, they virtually offer nothing over the airlines, other than the pet attendant....at least what I can tell from their website. The people doing th
34 Rampart : I'm really surprised at the negative response here on A.net. Everywhere else, the airline is getting strong encouragement. The animal breeding and vet
35 B6JFKH81 : I am wondering what type of operating certificate they are going under. FRG is limited and cannot have regularly scheduled air carrier operations, so
36 Fly_yhm : Hey They have a facebook page and a lot of the people leaving comments on the wall seem to really be embracing the idea. I think this has potential to
37 PanHAM : its a scheduled charter, Pet Air does not operate it at all, that small airline does This is a clever marketing stunt, nothing else. US legacy carrie
38 Highflier92660 : I don't think it's a negative response quite so much as an amused one. As someone has already posted, the transportation of animals has always been b
39 Tjwgrr : Looks like their headed to BJC (Rocky Mtn Metropolitan Airport) in the Denver area.
40 MtnWest1979 : Seeing as responses have been from lasting 2 flights to lasting 2 months, that would seem negative to me. As far as people saying the airlines alread
41 CGKings317 : Maybe I'm hallucinating, but am I the only one to notice.... ...that the top half of the homepage for Pet Airways strikingly resembles a mirror-image
42 Manfredj : Just out of curiosity, would the FAA regulate FA's on this airline? This is not a realistic outlook nor an indicator of future loads. To answer Osweg
43 Rampart : True. But given the headline news, customer response, and interest in the pet community, there is either some dissatisfaction with cargo handling, or
44 Chase : Initially I thought this was as ridiculous as most of the people posting above me think it is. But then I started doing the math. Kennelling a dog cos
45 Moose135 : Take a look at the pet policies of the major airlines - some don't allow pets at all - WN for one, notable here on Long Island - so if you're flying
46 BAKJet : I see a resemblance, but it doesnt look like a mirror image to me. Also, The design is not exactly a unique website layout.
47 Post contains links Max550 : http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/animals.html
48 KarlB737 : Ok given that who or what flies the plane............I couldn't resist.
49 Mayor : I KNOW that...........I worked with animals for 33+ years at DL cargo. My post was in response to........ Well, all I can tell you is this...........
50 Moose135 : Is that new? I would swear when I checked the WN site this morning, it said no pets. From the red "Now accepting small dogs/cats!" note on the main p
51 Post contains links Max550 : Oops, I totally missed that red note. I did a google search and it took me straight to the policy page. It is new, it started June 17th http://www.bl
52 Moose135 : Thanks, Max, I guess I ran across something old - I can't find it right now, but after checking several airline sites, I may have read it somewhere el
53 Mayor : IIRC, WN will only accept cabin pets, small enough to fit under the seat (excluding service animals, etc.). They still will not carry animals in the
54 Manfredj : That's great, but what do they know about an airline for pets? Again, anyone with a love affair for pets will go bonkers over this idea. Trouble is,
55 Post contains links Moose135 : They made their first return flight to FRG today - missed the arrival, but caught the aircraft out on the ramp. They are using space at Nassau Flyers
56 Danfearn77 : Same. I find it hard to believe how anyone could pay $200 each way to send their dog. And as someone pointed out, these airports are out the way and
57 SANMAN66 : Although Pet Airways is flying already, it still reminds me of that upstart that never got off the ground,remember Family Airlines?The one that would
58 Moose135 : But how many end up in a crate in a dark cargo hold for that long journey?
59 Wukka : Personally, I think that the economic downturn may very well be beneficial to this type of operation. There are a good many people uprooting and movin
60 Nws2002 : That really depends on who the "pet attendants" are employed by and how they are listed on the flight manifest. If they are employed by the Part 135
61 Mayor : People do it all the time on the legacy carriers, why the mystery? That is really a very small niche market for this service. The way I see it is thi
62 MCOflyer : I think this is a great idea. It benefits owners who do business in major cities who want to spend time with their animals. Also, it benefits the bree
63 Mayor : And how are those owners getting to that particular city? Why not check your animal on your same flight or ship it on the same flight, if you have to
64 CrimsonNL : I still find it strange they claim to have removed the Overhead Compartments on the Beech..
65 Malaysia : How do they keep cats and dogs seperate from each other? they better be facing the walls
66 Mayor : I'm not sure, but I would imagine that they're kept in standard shipping kennels for the duration of the trip.
67 Slider : How will they weather the first fatality? It will happen, it's inevitable...snub nosed dogs are vulnerable.
68 Mayor : Well, I mentioned that problem, earlier. How is Pet Airways circumventing the USDA's regulations regarding the transportation of animals?
69 BAKJet : I would assume either taking a regular commercial flight or driving in a moving truck. Because the market that Pet Airways is focusing on is the one
70 Mayor : Then the niche is very, very small. The market for people that are moving to another city is small compared to those that want to have their animals
71 BAKJet : Yes, Probably. I do not know. But if I were ever going to move my animals I would take a thorough look at pet airways and see if they looks like they
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