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US Airways From London (Changes) - LGW-PHL No More  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9999 times:

I have done a search and couldn't find anything on here about this... I suppose its not really all that major, but was worth a thread as there was a few changes!

The main one being, from September US Airways will finally pull the plug on Gatwick's direct connection to Philadelphia with a 757-200...

After LHR was opened up last year under Open Skies, US Airways decided to start a LHR-PHL service, the single daily service will now be US Airways' only connection to Philadelphia from London. It seems the route is being upgraded from the 767-200 currently flying the route to an A330-200 throughout the Winter and Summer 2010 schedule. (It was however last year an A330-300!)

Many would argue the Heathrow to Philadelphia is extremely poorly timed, with it departing at 1.05pm. Maybe between now and next summer US Airways may decide to try and purchase further slots at LHR to operate a second daily service earlier in the day?

The Gatwick to Charlotte service seems to remain unchanged with a late morning departure and continue to use a A330-300. But I suppose it may now only be a matter of time until US Airways decides to consolidate it services all at LHR, but this will be dependent on available slots and the right price!

The news of LGW loosing PHL cannot be good for Gatwick... It now no longer has any direct flights to the North East of the USA from the end of the summer 09 schedule, its hard to imagine a few years back you had the likes of VS, BA, DL, Z4 and CO all operating flights to the New York area (at one time or another) and US use to fly up to 2x daily PHL.

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On a side note, I noticed US Airways have loaded flights for BHX-PHL for next years summer schedule operating 5x weekly, which seems good when there were rumours it was not doing all that well currently.

MAN-PHL remains unchanged and continues to fly a good old A330-300 daily. Which ironically mean US now have more capacity out MAN to PHL than they have operating out of LHR. Also US Airways offer connections with BMI when doing a search on their website to fly LHR-MAN-PHL if you want an earlier arrival into the USA!

With the freeing up of a 757-200, I wonder where this will operate to?

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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9808 times:

So which US carriers are gonna be left at LGW now?

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9787 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
So which US carriers are gonna be left at LGW now?

US Airways to Charlotte

Delta Air Lines to Atlanta.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

I don't see why everyone wants so many slots at such a already crowded airport. I find nothing wrong with LGW it is easy to get into London from LGW by rail. I wish it were that easy LGA to NYC.

User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

Seems most of the US airlines are just too one-sighted and thinks LHR is the holy grail, which at the moment, it doesnt seem to be. I know that perhaps operating to 2 airports in the same city could canabilise profits, but perhaps the passenger wants more choice considering the hell-hole LHR can be at some times during the day???

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9722 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 4):
Seems most of the US airlines are just too one-sighted and thinks LHR is the holy grail

Most every longhaul pax airline on Earth that flies to London similarly views LHR as the holy grail -- because it is. LHR routinely commands higher yields and greater premium traffic than LGW.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9590 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 4):
Seems most of the US airlines are just too one-sighted and thinks LHR is the holy grail, which at the moment, it doesnt seem to be.

Indeed. It is just so one-sighted to consolidate London operations into one airport to reduce costs in employees, airport facilities, ground handling, gate leases and other expenses. So dumb of the airlines!

Delta and US Airways will likely be out of Gatwick within 12 months, IMO.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

It was inevitable that PHL-LGW would be dropped at some point.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
It now no longer has any direct flights to the North East

Doesn't BA fly LGW-JFK? I thought they swapped MAN-JFK with LGW-JFK?


User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9250 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 5):
Most every longhaul pax airline on Earth that flies to London similarly views LHR as the holy grail -- because it is. LHR routinely commands higher yields and greater premium traffic than LGW

Not denying that. Just thought LGW would be a viable alternative even now.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Indeed. It is just so one-sighted to consolidate London operations into one airport to reduce costs in employees, airport facilities, ground handling, gate leases and other expenses. So dumb of the airlines!

Actually, probably be the same as operating out ex-Gatwick prior to all jumping ship. Maybe even more considering that LHR is one of the busiest airports in the world and the costs could be higher than at LGW.

Anyways, just my 2 cents. I for one hope all US airlines flying to LHR are making money on the routes, thats all.  Smile


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6176 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

I believe PHL to LHR will be departing earlier come fall, additionally, once LHR was opened flights to LGW from PHL became kind of redundant. CLT on the other hand Im sure will retain service to LGW until another LHR slot is obtained- currently the flight is a prety good performer. I've met a couple of our ground staff at LGW and they are a very nice bunch I would hate if that station closes down.

Reagrds,

Chepos



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9206 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 8):
Actually, probably be the same as operating out ex-Gatwick prior to all jumping ship. Maybe even more considering that LHR is one of the busiest airports in the world and the costs could be higher than at LGW.

The point is that to be competitive, the airlines must operate out of Heathrow. The choice is not "Heathrow or Gatwick;" the choice is "Heathrow and Gatwick or just Heathrow." Clearly, "just Heathrow" is the right answer, especially in this economy.



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User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Gatwick's new owner is gonna have one big task to get some routes back. I for one hope they do. Shame to see the PHL flight goiong.

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8850 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 7):
Doesn't BA fly LGW-JFK? I thought they swapped MAN-JFK with LGW-JFK?

I believe BA is cutting its LGW-JFK service from the start of the winter timetable.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8827 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 7):
Doesn't BA fly LGW-JFK? I thought they swapped MAN-JFK with LGW-JFK?

This is true, and despite what I read that the route has had good loads, BA have decided to stop the route from October and will just be flying from LHR to the NYC area...

It is a shame about all the consolidation of the flights to the USA being consolidated to LHR, people seem to forget the flights do not just support London but all the neighbouring counties around London too, the south east of the UK is one of the most populated regions in Europe. A journey from Essex or Kent to the likes of LHR could easily take 2-3 hours in rush hour and be in excess of 100 miles.


User currently offlineSkinny From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
On a side note, I noticed US Airways have loaded flights for bhx-PHL for next years summer schedule operating 5x weekly, which seems good when there were rumours it was not doing all that well currently.

Where did you get that information?
From what i gather loads are 80% average (source Banad) with some overbooked but then again as its not London i expect the doom mongers to harp up.

[Edited 2009-07-10 04:13:35]

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

In time I expect LGW will have just 4 US destinations (excluding cruise charters) - MCO, SFB, TPA and LAS

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 13):
BA have decided to stop the route from October and will just be flying from LHR to the NYC area...

And from LCY



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8349 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 2):
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
So which US carriers are gonna be left at LGW now?

US Airways to Charlotte

Delta Air Lines to Atlanta.

Last one out please turn the lights out.

Quoting TheGMan (Reply 3):
I don't see why everyone wants so many slots at such a already crowded airport. I find nothing wrong with LGW it is easy to get into London from LGW by rail. I wish it were that easy LGA to NYC.

Going to London is just part of it. Although it is just as easy from LHR when you use the Heathrow Express I find. Another reason to go to LHR are the connections to the rest of the world.

Quoting Australis (Reply 8):
Anyways, just my 2 cents. I for one hope all US airlines flying to LHR are making money on the routes, thats all.

Most likely they are making more money or they would not be going to LHR.



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Whatever LGW loses in trans-atlantic flights it will more than easily make up for it by the addition of more low-cost short-haul European routes from airlines like FR, U2, BE and EI.

The only reason why LGW ever had so many trans-atlantic flights was because of Bermuda II, and now that it's gone, the situation is becoming what it always should have been.

The set-up with Londons 5 airports now will be that LHR is the premium long-haul gateway, LCY will serve the short-haul European business travellers, and LGW, STN and LTN will cater for the "overflow" traffic i.e. primarily the low-cost and the holiday charter market. Basically now that Bermuda II is gone, LGW is turning into a combined LTN and STN but just to the south of London.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

With the redundancy its understandable that loads to LGW would go down a lot. The other factor in LHR vs. LGW in a case like this is connections to airlines which fly to places US doesn't, whether it be alliance partners (BD, SA, SQ, TK and in the future AI) or even non-alliance carriers flying to the Middle East, Asia and Africa (such as LY and EK).

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Unfortunately as soon as DL and US got slots at LHR it was a nail in the coffin for LGW. Shame as LGW is a nice airport to go through.


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User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7379 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Shame as LGW is a nice airport to go through.

The north terminal is very good but I hate the south terminal. It just caters for a different client group with horrid restaurants and no decent shops to talk of. It's like the 'cheap end' of the high street.
Heathrow, especially terminal 5, is quite a different experience and I'd much rather fly through there than LGW given the choice, any day!
Connection-wise, this is not an issue for me, as I live in London!


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7311 times:



Quoting TimRees (Reply 20):
The north terminal is very good but I hate the south terminal.

Well, first time I've heard anyone claim such a big difference between the two

Quoting TimRees (Reply 20):
It just caters for a different client group

Absolute and utter nonsense! It does nothing of the sort.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6591 times:
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How long will DL keep their ATL-LGW going? Is it still doing well? In the winter schedules they are still flying it daily with a 333.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6501 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 21):
Absolute and utter nonsense! It does nothing of the sort.

Yeah those cheapo stores like Harrods and Hugo Boss,Caviar House, Kurt Geiger.  Big grin

Sarcasm aside , I like the shopping area in LGW South and its bright and spacious and I have got some good deals there. Last time I got my Samsung NC10 Netbook in Dixons Tax Free and it was alot cheaper.



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

LGW is sort of like Newark was to JFK years ago...why bother.

Without an major airline connecting hub, one that flies long haul, you are not as assured of multiple options if you are stuck. If BMI had concentrated there would have been good, but they never had a good strategy.


25 Panamair : No, it's going back to a 763ER for the winter... Why is a 1:05pm departure poorly timed? It's actually quite decent...
26 OP3000 : Agreed. I think though that LGW will be back to more prominence in the future, albeit without the legacy carriers' help. One of the several low cost
27 Cubsrule : JFK and ATL are probably the only airports north of I-10 that can support service to LGW. In that regard, it might be around longer than we think.
28 MAH4546 : JFK can't support Gatwick, either. BA is ending the route in October due to a very poor performance. Atlanta-Gatwick will be gone once Delta acquires
29 MDS : Side note -- I haven't seen LGW-CVG with DL mentioned.. has that been axed too?
30 Runway23 : LGW-CVG ends in September.
31 Davehammer : It didn't perform poorly in Y or Y+ at all, it was just the premium cabins that were going half empty. I think it would have been the perfect route f
32 HeeBeeGB : The idea that it performed well in M and badly in W/J/F is a myth, actually it performed badly in M/W/J/F. The 4-class 777 is configured 14/48/40/124
33 Cubsrule : It almost sounds like the 763 would have been the right plane. If AA/BA get ATI on JFK-LON, a 75A might also work.
34 MAH4546 : There is no point in the high-fixed operating costs of flying one daily 75L to Gatwick. So unless AA can do it at close to zero fixed costs, it won't
35 Cubsrule : Is there a reason that BA couldn't do all the handling and m/x?
36 MAH4546 : I have no idea. Not sure how it would work, but I would think that there would be some sort of fixed costs involved for AA, they'll just be lower wit
37 Cubsrule : Some sort? Sure, but they'll be pretty minimal. A lot of fixed costs accrue with service to a new country and/or a new city. LGW is in neither a new
38 BALHRWWCC : Recently went to PHL operating the 777. Our outbound configuration was 14F/48J/40W/124M we were booked 3F/42J/30W/164Y. On the return the aircraft wa
39 Luckyone : How many long haul airports are south of I-10? Three, maybe four, and I'm guessing they're all in Florida. For that matter ATL itself isn't that far
40 Cubsrule : I was trying to very broadly exclude leisure-heavy markets, most of which are south of I-10... Sorry if I was unclear.
41 Panamair : With all due respect, I am not sure you can say that...remember that BA (and subsequently the other carriers) has already had about 2-3 sales this ye
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