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LAN Growing In South America  
User currently offlineFaucett From Peru, joined Jul 2009, 58 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

My first post, so please bear with me.

I have seen in the LAN website that it will be starting SCL-IQQ-LIM daily and COR-LIM twice weekly, effective July 13.
In another post I saw it will also be starting LIM-UIO-CLO.

Nice to see LAN growing in secondary cities via the Lima hub.


faucett
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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

LAN is passing through the financial storm very well, and the load factors in the internal flights in Chile, Perú and Argentina are very good considering the economical restrictions of the average user for this flights. For example, In the last ten or twelve flights I had in the past three months from Santiago to Antofagasta the LF is always very close to 100 %, even when the flight were on Wednesday/Thursday ( not the peak of the week ) and even when some of the flights were very late at night ( landing past 02:15 AM ). The southern routes are doing very well too. Let's see how this flights connecting ( or with stopover in ) smaller cities of different countries do, but I'm sure they never start the route if the market studies are not favorable.
Any comment from our passengers flying inside Argentina / Peru / Ecuador ?

Saludos,
G.

PS : Welcome to A.net !!

[Edited 2009-07-10 15:29:27]


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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1767 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

LA seems to be interested in quietly getting a larger footprint in Colombia, both through flights from Peru, Ecuador and Chile but also through the cargo subsidiary. I'd bet that'll be the next country they launch an internal market passenger op.

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5950 times:



Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
My first post,

Welcome to airliners.net !




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Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
COR-LIM twice weekly

This route was announced since the last year, but LAN system will launch the route until these days.
If I recall correctly, this segment would be operated by LAN Argentina.




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Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
it will also be starting LIM-UIO-CLO

It seems like a response for TA LIM-GYE-CLO 4x weekly starting August 16th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5872 times:
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Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
Nice to see LAN growing in secondary cities via the Lima hub.

LA is doing a very nice job in all South America. COR with no doubt is a very good addition, considering it's an interesting market not served non-stop to US or Europe which means good connections and probably, some cargo.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

LAN also recently added LIM-CTG to their network, targetting the high-yield tourism that the city attracts mainly from Argentina, Chile and Brazil.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
. I'd bet that'll be the next country they launch an internal market passenger op.

That's interesting, but I don't think LAN would enter the colombian market as of yet. I mean, there are two very strong players which are Avianca and Copa (behing Aerorepublica) that are profitable and well established with a grip on the market. The situation in Argentina, Ecuador and Peru was very, very different.

This doesn't mean that in the future they could start a colombian subsidiary, but it's for the same reasons they haven't started a brazilina one.



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Welcome to A.net, Faucett.

Indded LAN is doing a great job. I like their COR addition pretty much and I'd bet on a frequency upgrade soon. As LipeGIG mentioned, COR is quite an interesting market with just limited options. In fact, TAM is also willing to start GRU-COR flights on a near future.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5759 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 6):
COR is quite an interesting market with just limited options

CM PTY-COR launched this untapped service in 2007 and probably the decision of the opening of 4M LIM-COR has been influenced by the initial purposes of CM.
The American carriers are likely watching carefully how CM is acting in such market as well.

Regards.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

IQQ-LIM?
Although the idea is great for IQQ, ANF and ARI people to use LIM instead of SCL as hub for USA and Europe, I think the departure time of IQQ-LIM flight won't allow many conexions. Anyway, it's a start...



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User currently offlineAdools From Egypt, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

I worked the past 4 summers (southern Winter) in IQQ. We always had to fly via SCL, then back up to IQQ. It was sometimes quicker to fly to LIM then to Tacna, drive across the border between Peru and Chile and then fly from Arica to IQQ. So, it's great news that there is a flight LIM-IQQ-SCL, the LIM-IQQ segment is really needed.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
CM PTY-COR launched this untapped service in 2007 and probably the decision of the opening of 4M LIM-COR has been influenced by the initial purposes of CM.
The American carriers are likely watching carefully how CM is acting in such market as well.

COR is a kind of market like some in Brazil. The fact that all long haul goes to EZE, and also domestic services to EZE are quite limited, routes like GIG-POA-COR, SCL-COR, LIM-COR and PTY-COR begin real winners. LIM will see more passengers looking to go to MAD while PTY, in my view, is more for North American connections.



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User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5580 times:



Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
In another post I saw it will also be starting LIM-UIO-CLO

Do you know when is planning to start the route? how many weekly frecuencies? schedule?

Thanks


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

I know this is not related to south america, but when is IAD expected to open?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5549 times:



Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 12):


I know this is not related to south america, but when is IAD expected to open?

It's not. Dulles has been canceled.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5495 times:



Quoting Adools (Reply 9):
it's great news that there is a flight LIM-IQQ-SCL

LA SCL-IQQ-LPB 4x weekly as well as LA SCL-IQQ-VVI 3x weekly are steadily operating nowadays. It seems that LA is planning to expand its international presence out of IQQ as an analogy with the mentioned Bolivian stations.
The previous segments are being operated with 319.

Regards.



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5468 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
while PTY, in my view, is more for North American connections.

Agree. Think it will work just like it does on brazilian markets, offering lower fares, mainly for leisure traffic, between COR and Central/North-America.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

I wonder why LA (passenger) hasn't returned to PTY, once upon a time an important stop when they used to fly multi-stop between SCL and U.S.A.
Given the links between IQQ and Colon Duty Free Zone, even a twice weekly SCL-IQQ-PTY could be highly appreciated (maybe plus stop in ARI for higher yields).



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5415 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 16):
wonder why LA (passenger) hasn't returned to PTY, once upon a time an important stop when they used to fly multi-stop between SCL and U.S.A.
Given the links between IQQ and Colon Duty Free Zone, even a twice weekly SCL-IQQ-PTY could be highly appreciated (maybe plus stop in ARI for higher yields).

I think they should even connect LIM on a daily basis to PTY.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5373 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):
I think they should even connect LIM on a daily basis to PTY.

LA or TA starting LIM-PTY would be a bloodbath, CM flies 4 times per day between LIM and PTY. That's probably what's stopping them from trying that route, not the Perú (or Chile) bilateral with Panamá, since it's open skies between Panamá and those Southamerican countries.
TA has aircraft R.O.N. in PTY which could be used to fly PTY-LIM at night (immediate connection to CUZ) and has aircraft which can do LIM-PTY red-eyes to continue early morning to SJO but most likely TA hasn't thought of that way to link PTY with their LIM hub.

IMHO, if either LA (not that much TA) want to fly to PTY without losing money, better go for routes not served already by CM. Routes which could be flow via secondary Peruvian or Chilean airports.
B.T.W., I guess eventually PTY would need PTY-LIM around 0630h and +/- 2230h arrival LIM-PTY flights, maybe not dialy but a couple of days per week.



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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Are there any plans for LAN to start more long haul routes out of EZE, such as Madrid, Milan and New York?
AR is currently using very old aircraft, with a very basic product, on a limited network although there is talk of acquiring some new A330's.

As a oneworld member and a big fan of LAN, it would be great if they could establish themselves in the market place before AR does renew its fleet (if that really does eventuate)!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5186 times:
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Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 19):
Are there any plans for LAN to start more long haul routes out of EZE, such as Madrid, Milan and New York?
AR is currently using very old aircraft, with a very basic product, on a limited network although there is talk of acquiring some new A330's.

These plans for sure exist, but will not be launched right now in the middle of the crisis. And you're right about AR but remember that MAD see IB doube A346 competition, FCO face AZ 772 competition and JFK soon AA 772 flagship.

Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 15):
Agree. Think it will work just like it does on brazilian markets, offering lower fares, mainly for leisure traffic, between COR and Central/North-America.

CM and LP lost the chance to take care of Brazilian Northeast and BSB. They only got a little space at CNF and MAO.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5148 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
CM and LP lost the chance to take care of Brazilian Northeast and BSB. They only got a little space at CNF and MAO.

CM Brazilian expansion isn't completed yet. It'd going to be tough for CM in SSA, REC now with AA MIA flights, but the market from those cities to Latinamerica isn't the same as to the U.S.A.
And just to remain it, the costs of flying a B737-700 6-7 hours from PTY to Brazil isn't the same as flying a B757 or B767 8+ hours from MIA to Brazil.
As for LP, the market between Perú/Chile and Northeast Brazil + BSB is very limited. It's most likely those destinations would be better served from SCL or EZE, even as stop on European flights.



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User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 19):
Are there any plans for LAN to start more long haul routes out of EZE, such as Madrid, Milan and New York?
AR is currently using very old aircraft, with a very basic product, on a limited network although there is talk of acquiring some new A330's.

As a oneworld member and a big fan of LAN, it would be great if they could establish themselves in the market place before AR does renew its fleet (if that really does eventuate)!

Basic product, yes. Now, I would not call AR's long haul fleet "very old". Their 744 are no older than most of QF, LH, BA, AF, etc. The A340 200 and 300 are 12-14 years old. Excuse me, but that is not really old in terms of an airframe.

Now, the AR on board product may be lacking in stuff like PTVs in coach and on demand video in C/F but AR crews tend to be much more genuine and warm than those of LA, especially the SCL based for the latter. Talk about robots. EZE/AEP based crews (4M) are a bit on the warmer side but still...

4M and the Lan brand ARE already very well established in Argentina. Done deal. They simply are waiting for the right moment to jump into the Argentina - Europe market. 4M's EZE-MIA flight is one of the most profitable overall for the whole of LA's ops. With up to 7-8 daily non stops flights from EZE to MAD (AR, IB, Air Europa and Air Comet), plus BCN non stops on AR, the last thing you need is more capacity in this economic environment.

The AR Airbus order is tangled in a legal web, as it was initially a Marsans order, both for Air Comet and AR, but with things between Marsans and AR in a legal limbo, it will take a while to untangle things, the cost of which will eventually have to be footed by the Spanish taxpayer... To make matters worse, it looks like Air Comet's days are numbered: has not been able to make payroll for May and June, flights are being canceled and to give you an idea how bad things are, Brazil is claiming unpaid fees for ATC rights, so one EZE-MAD flight last week had to be routed via Lima...

Cheers

[Edited 2009-07-12 09:29:38]

[Edited 2009-07-12 09:31:02]


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5062 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
Quoting Faucett (Thread starter):
it will also be starting LIM-UIO-CLO

It seems like a response for TA LIM-GYE-CLO 4x weekly starting August 16th.

Update: LP LIM-UIO-CLO starting August 15th as follows:

LP 2588........LIM 19:50.........UIO 22:05.............Mo, Th, Sa
LP 2588........UIO 22:45.........CLO 23:45............Mo, Th, Sa

LP 2589........CLO 07:00........UIO 08:00.............Tu, Fr, Su
LP 2589........UIO 08:45.........LIM 11:00.............Tu, Fr, Su

Source: amadeus.net


Regards.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5031 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
LA or TA starting LIM-PTY would be a bloodbath, CM flies 4 times per day between LIM and PTY. That's probably what's stopping them from trying that route, not the Perú (or Chile) bilateral with Panamá, since it's open skies between Panamá and those Southamerican countries.

well - as per my understading fares from PTY to LIM and other deep south-amercian destinations like MVD, EZE, SCL and even GRU are very high... would be nice to have LA or TA - just to have better fares!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
25 Post contains links PPVRA : http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...tilitiesNews/idUSN0841502820090708 I really hope this goes through! It might be enough for LAN to start steppi
26 2travel2know : TA does offer fares from PTY to Southamerica, sometimes goodones, the thing is that for PTY passengers, connecting in SJO is awful, when flying to/fr
27 RCS763AV : That is another reason that I didn't know about. Colombia doesn't limit ownership on its transport companies.
28 123 : Some years ago LA wanted to fly SCL/VVI/MIA and as I understand, feed this flight at VVI with pax from Northern Chile. Reasons for non-operation of t
29 RJ_Delta : If the Brazilian Congress approves the increase of the foreing capital until 40% LAN are planning to enter into Brazilian market in the next five yea
30 RJ_Delta : Initially IAD was planned to start in April. However the SCL-LIM-IAD route was delayed until further advice because the decrease of the demand. Proba
31 LipeGIG : LP in my view should venture on a BSB-LIM. The fact that there's in BSB representation for every South American country and many of the central Ameri
32 2travel2know : I think it's a question of when not if, CM will fly to BSB. CM product has something LP via LIM can't offer BSB (+ GYN): MCO; not only that but more
33 OP3000 : That's true. Its my understanding that LA explored the possibility of entering Colombia on the passenger side in the past 1-2 years and could have do
34 SJOtoLIR : LP LIM-GIG might happen firstly than LP LIM-BSB. The current restriction in the bilateral agreement between Peru and Brazil is an issue against that
35 SJOtoLIR : Here is the detailed schedule for the new LA SCL-IQQ-LIM: LA 940........SCL18:50........IQQ 21:15.........Daily.......320 LA 940........IQQ 22:20.....
36 Bogota : Have not really heard much about it, the only known time LA was seen around was when the symbolic US $1 was offered for Avianca (obviously taking ove
37 LipeGIG : There's space for both service, a 4x weekly BSB-LIM and a daily BSB-PTY. This could increase BSB as a destination for congress for example. Last year
38 JJ8080 : This could certainly work now. However, things would be completely different if DL really started ATL-BSB, and even more if JJ started BSB-MIA non-st
39 SJOtoLIR : Not necessarily. For example, when CM PTY-MAO commenced some years ago, one of the intention of the airline was focusing in allow some traffic to MIA
40 Hardiwv : Plus TAM operates GRU-LIM 7 weekly in full codeshare with LA/LP, which makes 25 weekly flights GRU-LIM while TA continue to operates GIG-LIM 4 weekly
41 Bsbisland : How big would be this market? Really, I see very small demand out of Southeast and South Brazil to Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela.I would like to
42 OP3000 : We're getting off topic here, but I think JJ could pull off a ASU-BSB-MIA flight. They are well positioned in Paraguay in terms of branding and infra
43 LipeGIG : I would say at least (PDEW): Origin BSB (with additional connections from CGB, GYN,CNF,SSA...) LIM - 40 UIO - 40 (lack of flights) CCS - 10 BOG - 15
44 RCS763AV : No, that is absolutely untrue. It's not the government's policy to limit the market, plus it would have been hands down unconstitutional. The court w
45 OP3000 : Yes, of course its unconstitutional, but from what I heard inside LA they weren't given signs of support from the govt. in terms of the airports and
46 Summa767 : There is a very clear procedure and list of requirements for the formation of an airline. Just like Lan did for its Colombian cargo subsidiary. There
47 SJOtoLIR : We have to put into perspective that BSB-LIM is an untapped market after all. For example, LA LIM-COR 2x weekly has been recently opened and it is re
48 Arcano : Really??? what are the candidates? Paris, London? EZE-FCO?
49 JJ8080 : If they really don't offer cheaper tickets than JJ does on their non-stop, that is surely why the E90 is hardly struggling and also why they didn't u
50 LipeGIG : Yes, you're right, but it's a route without good links. Despite CCS that can be reach with BSB-MAO-CCS at least on the right direction, the others be
51 LVICS : Maybe they seem to be older than they actually are because of their poor condition. Strongly disagree. I'll take LA (LP, 4M also) robots any day over
52 Post contains links OP3000 : An interview with LA CEO, where he again expresses strong interest in passenger ops in Colombia / Brazil: http://www.strategyawards.com/upload...ique%
53 SJOtoLIR : If the point is focusing in the number of connections, BSB of course can allow a better network as compared with both ASU and COR. However, the amoun
54 LipeGIG : Agree about the fact that the flight could not be daily in the first months. But the fact that Sao Paulo got 25 weekly flights is just because beside
55 Incitatus : I have not read everything so I don't know if this has been mentioned: BSB-EZE on JJ is being reduced to a 4 x week frequency from daily. The integra
56 LipeGIG : BSB-EZE is a good performer, but has been affected by the H1N1 flu. Sao Paulo and Rio are holding strong, BSB not. And it's easy to accommodate BSB p
57 Arcano : Sounds good, specially having non stop widebody SCL-GIG... but why FRA?
58 RJ_Delta : It will be París Charles De Gaulle. LAN is planning starts SCL-Brasil-CDG service in the second half of 2010 with Boeing 767-300ER. The route will b
59 OP3000 : Seems like LA invokes the 5th freedom rights more often than anyone, whether they sell a lot of tickets (MAD-FRA) or not (MIA-PUJ) on those legs.
60 RJ_Delta : Of course. LAN expects to negotiate its Brazil plans with Lula Da Silva in September, when the Brazilian Presidente visits Chile. Saludos,
61 LipeGIG : Specially having no non-stop service is better to say I heard about FRA and CDG as the next plans for LA and both with stops in Brazil, one of them a
62 EcuadorianMD11 : LAN even does domestic flights to Cuenca (Ecuador) now! Since the airport is basically in the middle of the city, the sound of this A318 makes a nice
63 2travel2know : Would CUE-LIM or even CUE-MIA flights be something viable in the near future? both destiantions are within A318 range from CUE.
64 JJ8080 : I agree, integration and trade is considerably bigger between Brazil and Argentina, and also we need to remember that Peru isn't (yet) at Mersocul, a
65 OP3000 : Continuing on the topic of LA in South America, one thing they're very weak on are their lounges. They've invested in a very good premium product in b
66 EcuadorianMD11 : I heard CUE - LIM had been considered a few years back. TAME I imagine had plans in that direction. Unfortunately, it never materialized! The new ter
67 Aer : I've always wondered if we will see any of the LAN airlines in Central America.
68 RJ_Delta : During August LAN will launch an additional service to JFK opening a seasonal SCL-GYE-JFK route with a Boeing 767-300ER. For LAN Ecuador the company i
69 OB1504 : In two years, they'll move to their new long-term home in former Concourse A (now an extension of Concourse D). There's going to be a BA Terraces Lou
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