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Delta Mag's "Know Your Planes" Fleet Page.  
User currently offlineRSBJ From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

I found what I believe are inaccuracies in the Delta magazine's fleet page; July edition.

1. "Information and photo applies to B777-200LR" Don't see any raked wingtips, looks like a 200ER.

2. When I flew for Delta 5 years ago, I thought they had the P&W 2037's, but the description says 43,000 lbs. Am I missing something?

3. 737-800/700. I flew the 800 at Delta, again 5 years ago, and they had 26.2's on the 800 then. Is the mag wrong, or did they uprate them to 27.3?

4. Does the E175LR really cruise within 7 mph of a 747-400? Highly doubt it. All the speeds look like typical cruise speeds, not max, except the E175LR and possibly the CRJ series.

Other interesting note, in one of the articles, I believe the one on Australia, the magazine mentions the 777 as the company flagship.


I fly really fast and take a lot of chances.
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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4191 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

Just remember, it's an inflight entertainment magazine.

If you look on the route page it shows us as operating a mainline flight to Tahiti out of LAX as well...



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13648 times:



Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 1):
If you look on the route page it shows us as operating a mainline flight to Tahiti out of LAX as well...

You codeshare with AF, right?



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13604 times:



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
Other interesting note, in one of the articles, I believe the one on Australia, the magazine mentions the 777 as the company flagship.

Well, the 777 has been DL's flagship.......in reality, I don't think the arrival of NW's 744s have changed that. Perhaps says more to the future of the 744s than anything.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4191 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13596 times:

We codeshare, but it's drawn on the map as DL actually flying it.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13554 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
You codeshare with AF, right?

The map shows the route as a mainline DL route which is depicted as a red line. Other colors are used to depict shared DL/partner carrier routes and partner carrier only routes. I wished I kept a copy of the magazine.

I thought the description of aircraft chapter was inadequate. They should show all the variations of each model in the fleet. CRJ's, CR7's and CR9's are quite a bit different.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13489 times:



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
Other interesting note, in one of the articles, I believe the one on Australia, the magazine mentions the 777 as the company flagship.

It is.  Wink

Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
Don't see any raked wingtips, looks like a 200ER.

I believe it is. If you look hard it look like it has a N8XXDA reg and a 700X ship number on the top of the tail, which would make it an ER.



yep.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13482 times:



Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 4):
We codeshare, but it's drawn on the map as DL actually flying it.

All routes covered by the Delta/Air France-KLM codeshare get a line drawn in the magazine. Since the LAX-PPT flight is technically a US-France flight (French Polynesia is part of the Republic), it's part of the JV where DL/AF share profits/costs.

You'll also see routes such as LAX-CDG/AMS, SFO-CDG/AMS, etc. on the route map due to the JV.


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13423 times:

Sounds like when I made "corrections" to US Airways Magazine three years ago or so. I told the magazine and ended up getting kinda close to them and got to go inside US's HQ  Smile.

Go tell them and ask them, Delta Sky is also published by Pace Communications, just like US Airways Magazine.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13386 times:



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 8):
Delta Sky is also published by Pace Communications

Pace lost the Sky contract earlier this year. Sky is now published by MSP Communications in downtown Minneapolis (these folks had done NW's WorldTraveler for years).


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

The fleet page also says XJ flies the Saab 340 B, whereas it's actually the B+.


Proudly from the Home of the Red Tail.
User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13219 times:

The July online Sky Magazine also shows LA-Tahiti as a Delta Air Lines Route

http://www.deltaskymag.com/
page 128


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4191 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12956 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
All routes covered by the Delta/Air France-KLM codeshare get a line drawn in the magazine. Since the LAX-PPT flight is technically a US-France flight (French Polynesia is part of the Republic), it's part of the JV where DL/AF share profits/costs.

You'll also see routes such as LAX-CDG/AMS, SFO-CDG/AMS, etc. on the route map due to the JV.

That's not the point. LAX-PPT is shown as a red line, which means Delta flies that route itself. The other's are color coded as codesure/JV.

Got it?  Wink



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12915 times:

I believe that all the original PW 2037's were (or will be) uprated to the current thrust (43,000) which effectively is a 2043 power plant.
DL 757's are all PW powered -- no RR (unlike AA, and hence the deal for the TW birds, which were orphans with AA).

.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12801 times:



Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 12):

That's not the point. LAX-PPT is shown as a red line, which means Delta flies that route itself. The other's are color coded as codesure/JV.

Got it? Wink

Yup - I got it right the first time. I'm looking at it right now - it's available here: http://www.deltaskymag.com/default.aspx

Go to Page 128. LAX-PPT is a red line, with a blue dot. Blue dot signifies "Destination served by one of Delta's Worldwide Codeshare Partners."

Now, flip to Page 125. I see a lot of red lines on that page to CDG/AMS - from Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, Dulles, Houston, Dallas, Miami, Los Angeles and San Francisco to AMS/CDG. All of which (save BOS-AMS) are flown by either Air France or KLM. Same exact situation as Page 128. The common trait - all of these are covered under the Delta/Air France-KLM Joint Venture. Delta shares joint responsibility with the Air France-KLM Group for the profit/loss/costs of these flights.

Out of all the route maps, here are the different colored lines:
Red - flown by Delta/Northwest. Air France-KLM routes covered under the JV are included in here.
Blue - future service flown by Delta/Northwest.
Green - route flown by Alaska Airlines/Horizon Air

Dots:
Red - destination served by Delta/Northwest on their own metal
Blue - destination served by a Delta/Northwest codeshare partner. Does not necessarily have to have a line to it (see several markets in Texas, which are codeshares on Continental metal; plus several of the international destinations).

That's how the route maps work in Sky.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12790 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
I believe it is. If you look hard it look like it has a N8XXDA reg and a 700X ship number on the top of the tail, which would make it an ER.

The "-ER's" do NOT have the raked wingtips. That's an easy one fellas. LOL!!  Smile



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12503 times:

I wish they had a picture of the aircraft that carried the most pax, for example a 753 instead of the 757ETOPS, the 777ER instead of the LR, etc..


E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2585 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

On the on-line magazine's home page, Destinations show Salt Lake City as Salt Lake, Minneapolis/St. Paul as Minneapolis and Tampa/St. Petersburg as Tampa Bay.
I know for sure the people in MSP are not happy to show the Twin Cities as Miineapolis, even going to the point of calling it St. Paul/Minneapolis almost as often as Meeneapolis/St. Paul.


User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10870 times:



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
1. "Information and photo applies to B777-200LR" Don't see any raked wingtips, looks like a 200ER.

Either way it's a 777 that Delta owns so the passengers get a glimpse of what a Triple 7 looks like. Just a thought. Good observation!
DL752 Smile


User currently offlineMurchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10366 times:



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
1. "Information and photo applies to B777-200LR" Don't see any raked wingtips, looks like a 200ER.



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
I thought they had the P&W 2037's, but the description says 43,000 lbs. Am I missing something?



Quoting RSBJ (Thread starter):
they had 26.2's on the 800 then. Is the mag wrong, or did they uprate them to 27.3?

-Only on Airliners.net  laughing 

Quoting DL752 (Reply 18):
Either way it's a 777 that Delta owns so the passengers get a glimpse of what a Triple 7 looks like. Just a thought. Good observation!

Yeah but if i was on the plane trying to explain this to my girlfriend or anyone else for that matter it would be no fun cuz they wouldnt get it. Thats why we have this site !  Big grin



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10343 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 14):
That's how the route maps work in Sky.

Thanks for the detailed answer. I just figured it was clear enough that because it was a code-share on AF, it counts as a "mainline" flight, so the line was going to be the same color.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Looking at the back of the current issue of Sky it appears as if Delta is simply showing the average traveler a cross section of its aircraft fleet, from smallest to largest, with the roughest approximations of the planes size and performance. I noticed the air speeds are in mph for the easiest passenger comprehension without any semblance of actual cruise Mach; in one instance (the Embraer 175LR) someone may have copied the Mmo and calculated it in mph. Likewise the range figures given don't translate into actual endurance range in hours along with factoring in variables of winds aloft, departure fuel load in pounds and fuel flow.

Delta's Sky magazine is an above average in-flight travel magazine filled with destination articles along with the usual ads for dozens of steak houses and a synopsis of all the most forgettable films you never wanted to rent. It is not an "ops" manual.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7185 times:



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 21):
Likewise the range figures given don't translate into actual endurance range in hours along with factoring in variables of winds aloft, departure fuel load in pounds and fuel flow.

Of course not.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 21):
It is not an "ops" manual.

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What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7022 times:



Quoting Murchmo (Reply 19):
Yeah but if i was on the plane trying to explain this to my girlfriend or anyone else for that matter it would be no fun cuz they wouldnt get it.

At that point, she would already be asleep, but, you just haven't noticed that, yet.  Wink



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Yes, their are mistakes in this magazine. However, remember this was put together and printed a little faster then the publishing company would want. So it may take a few issues
to work the bugs out. I to notice these things go and coming back from LAS last month. Now if these magazines are still full of mistakes 6 months from now. Then we have a problem with the proofreading department.

Chuck


25 PGNCS : Exactly; in that regard it works fine. That's exactly right. This isn't an FAA approved manual, and the people who write and illustrate for the magaz
26 Rsbj : Excellent, that's along the lines of what I was thinking while reading it. Who else would care, or care to take the time to analyize the fleet page..
27 DeltaL1011man : Right i agreed it wasnt a LR.
28 DL752 : Thanks for seeing my side on things. DL752
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