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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10706 times:

Every time we go flying, we are ordinarily subjected to the usual searches, checks, and X-rays, normally requiring belt and shoe removal. It is tiresome but we must do it in the interests of security, particularly post-September 11th.

I have just been thinking about my experiences last year of flying around the Orkney Islands in the far northwest of Scotland by a Loganair BNI. (My trip was fantastic, and it involved flying the world’s quickest scheduled flight at 90 seconds.) In the remote locations, such as Papa Westray, there was absolutely no check at all. Clearly, I could have taken aboard something that could have blown up the aircraft. Or because of the open cockpit (there is no cockpit door, likewise on, in my experience, the BNT, J31, DH6 and SWM), I could have taken control of the aircraft and, like on the 11th September, used it as a weapon to cause devastation (obviously limited in the remote areas, but it could cause deaths in built-up areas as well as to those on the plane). I have experienced the exact thing elsewhere in the world, for example at Quepos, Costa Rica, and when flying Quepos-San Jose. And it is no doubt in lots of other places across the world.

So, I find it curious that at most airports searches are of course always carried about – albeit often inconsistently and thus to a degree ineffectively – yet at others nothing is done at all, when the risk is, in theory, still there, albeit undoubtedly to a lower degree.

[Edited 2009-07-12 11:05:53]


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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Back in 2002, flying domestically in Iceland from Reykjavik's downtown airport to Akureyri and back on Air Iceland. No security checks there. Since the only way to get to Iceland is fly to Keflavik where you'd already be checked at initial departure, it must be deemed not necessary. Not sure if someone comes in on a ship. Even so, the chance of someone doing something on a domestic F-50 flight in Iceland must be very very low.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10547 times:

Turns out most people aren't interested in killing anyone or themselves. Arguably, security at many not-so minor airports around the world is awful, and yet, there's no reason to be paranoid as nothing ever seems to happen.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10517 times:

Moorea Tahiti. No security, and suspect many of the other French Polynesia island airports are similar.


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User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10454 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
I could have taken control of the aircraft and, like on the 11th September, used it as a weapon to cause devastation (obviously limited in the remote areas, but it could cause deaths in built-up areas as well as to those on the plane).

I'm actually a bit surprised to read this. You would probably be within reach of the Dounreay fast reactor research plant, west of Thurso in Scotland. That could be a mighty target for an attack. I visited it in 2005 by flying to Wick. Then, security was quite extreme since it was just three weeks after the London bombings.

As an anecdote, in 1999 I asked the security officers at VBY if the captain would like to keep my Swiss army knife in the cockpit during the flight, since I saw the Swedish Minister of Finance (Bosse!) behind me in the line. The minister heard my question, the security staff looked at him and they agreed that wouldn't be necessary. Those were the times...



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10347 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 6):
What few people know is that 98% of all airports in the US have no security whatsoever. Of course the remaining 2% are the major international airports. The rest are all GA. And quite frankly as a GA pilot, I'm not concerned about the 98% one bit.

Is that true? I was under the impression that all airports, private or commercial, have security in place.


User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10305 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
Is that true? I was under the impression that all airports, private or commercial, have security in place.

Most without commerical flights probably don't other then the fence.

And I like it that way.

Frankly I think we need to go back to that model rather then have this paranoia that is currently going around.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 5):
have security in place.

The US's busiest GA airport, which shall remain unnamed, has many areas where you could easily walk into the ramp with nobody to stop you, except for mayb the old hag working at the FBO's front desk.

At the really small community airfields, "security"might be nothing more than a line of 3ft tall bushes.

But like I said, it's the 2% I'm concerned about.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
And I like it that way.

Ditto. There's no need for "Middle of nowhere regional airpark" to have metal detectors, a SWAT team and standby, etc...

[Edited 2009-07-12 13:30:07]

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10256 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
Is that true? I was under the impression that all airports, private or commercial, have security in place.

Screening of passengers is only required for certain types of operations. The overwhelming majority of airports have no screening facilities (which is not to say that they don't have a security program in place). But those airports don't see commercial flights, either. Or if they do, then the passenger terminals get the screening checkpoints and other parts of the field get different procedures.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

In 2006, we took a charter flight for Air Force ROTC on a Champion Air Boeing 727 from DEN to SPS and we never went through security and our bags were never screened. It was just the 26 cadets and our two escort officers aboard the plane. The cockpit door was secured in flight but I still found it odd.

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10205 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
At the really small community airfields, "security"might be nothing more than a line of 3ft tall bushes.

I've been to a small airport where the security manager was the same person who owned the on-airport restaurant (which was a damn good place to have lunch, incidentally). They had been compelled to put up a fence by the county after 9/11, but that was it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10193 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 9):
In 2006, we took a charter flight for Air Force ROTC on a Champion Air Boeing 727 from DEN to SPS and we never went through security and our bags were never screened. It was just the 26 cadets and our two escort officers aboard the plane. The cockpit door was secured in flight but I still found it odd.

Hell, when I was in AFROTC, we got a ride on a T-43 (militarized 737-200) trainer on a training flight over eastern New Mexico. They let us cadets occupy the jumpseats up in the cockpit in 10 minute shifts  cloudnine  while we were briefed by Air Force Academy instructors (the bird came down to HMN from the Air Force Academy for the weekend) at the navigation trainee stations as to what was going on...



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User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10170 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 9):
In 2006, we took a charter flight for Air Force ROTC on a Champion Air Boeing 727 from DEN to SPS and we never went through security and our bags were never screened. It was just the 26 cadets and our two escort officers aboard the plane. The cockpit door was secured in flight but I still found it odd.

Military charter is why.

When my brother went to Kosovo they bussed them from the base directly to the airplane at ANC. Every one of them was packing at least an M-4 (My Brother had his hotel kitted M240 and a M9).

Frankly I think that airplane probably had the best security I every heard of.....screw the TSA.



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

One wouldn't believe it, but even for some international flights departing the USA there is no security: at Seattle Union Lake, where DHC Beavers operate to Victoria, BC, Canada, no security checks are performed.

User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10117 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
Arguably, security at many not-so minor airports around the world is awful, and yet, there's no reason to be paranoid as nothing ever seems to happen.

In my opinion, such a place would be a good place for something to happen, albeit not on a grand scale, precisely because of that attitude: it would make it far easier. It is just odd in comparison to those with security.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10117 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
When my brother went to Kosovo they bussed them from the base directly to the airplane at ANC. Every one of them was packing at least an M-4 (My Brother had his hotel kitted M240 and a M9).

Military flights still have to go through security. I was given a C-17 flight in the fall of 2005 and we had to go through security before getting on the plane. And I took a KC-135 flight in November 2007 and we had to go through a standard security check as well. In fact for that flight we weren't even allowed to bring liquids aboard.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 11):
Hell, when I was in AFROTC, we got a ride on a T-43 (militarized 737-200) trainer on a training flight over eastern New Mexico.

We were flying down to SPS to get a JETO orientation flight at Sheppard AFB. I got to taxi the T-37 and as soon as the wheels left the ground the pilot gave me the stick and let me do the climb out and soon after we did barrel rolls and loop-the-loops and clover leafs. Fun times.  biggrin 


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10115 times:



Quoting Mozart (Reply 13):
One wouldn't believe it, but even for some international flights departing the USA there is no security: at Seattle Union Lake, where DHC Beavers operate to Victoria, BC, Canada, no security checks are performed.

Think about it: if some looney were to comandeer a Beaver on floats, what damage would it do if crashed into a skyscraper in downtown Seattle or downtown Victoria, break a window or two and cause a small fire?  dopey  Hell, it might even safely land inside the skyscraper after breaking the window, as a Beaver on floats is a rather tough bird and I don't think its going to win a true airspeed competition anytime soon  Silly



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

I noticed when I was at MKK the flights on Pacific Wings had not gone through the usual screening and was curious as to why. I was not going to make anything of it though, I was not interested in being labeled a trouble maker or being watched more closely then I was already.

[Edited 2009-07-12 14:11:47]

I wonder if those flights from LAS to nowhere are subject to any type of security, but they don't go anywhere so i would guess they are a special sort of flight.

[Edited 2009-07-12 14:16:32]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10027 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Frankly I think we need to go back to that model rather then have this paranoia that is currently going around.

Yes, the good ol days of hijackings, bombs under seats, etc. were such fun. It's a shame that doesn't happen anymore...

Sarcasm off.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10015 times:

I was at Staverton yesterday, they have a fence, but in one section it is shoulder high.

You can stand by the fence clicking away all day.

True it is not B747's, a Do228 counts as a heavy  Smile..

However, pictures of Piper Aztecs or Bell 206's can be very nice.

Not being treated as a criminal is nice as well.


User currently offlineThule From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9966 times:



Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):
Back in 2002, flying domestically in Iceland from Reykjavik's downtown airport to Akureyri and back on Air Iceland. No security checks there. Since the only way to get to Iceland is fly to Keflavik where you'd already be checked at initial departure, it must be deemed not necessary. Not sure if someone comes in on a ship. Even so, the chance of someone doing something on a domestic F-50 flight in Iceland must be very very low.

I wonder if this is still the case there...? I'm flying AEY-RKV on Air Iceland in late August, so I'll make sure to take note of it in my trip report.

No security checkpoints for domestic flights in Greenland. SFJ just has a covered walkway that leads outside the terminal for domestic flights on GL's Dash-7s. For the GL A330/B757 (sometimes an SK A321 as well) flight to CPH, There's a room with a metal detector, etc. followed by a small duty free shop. It takes a long time to get through that line with one metal detector and a plane that size.

I'm assuming the setup is the same at UAK too, since it also has flights to CPH. When I was at GOH (Nuuk), there was again, no security for GL flights, but there was a separate room for Air Iceland's Dash 8 flight to KEF.

Air Iceland just started summer service from KEF-JAV (Ilulissat) this month. There wasn't any security infrastructure at JAV when I was there, but I wonder if they installed some (hopefully Air Iceland paid for it).


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Every airport in Alaska has, at least, a section where one does not have to clear security to board your airline flight.

The majority of the intrastate carriers do not meet the threshold and thus do not have to submit their passengers to the TSA. Also, many of their destinations barely have a runway, much less a terminal building, so security would be a bit difficult to implement.

Checko



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

If you take off from an airport without security procedures, then you shouldn't be able to land at an airport that does and then disembark into the sterile area.

I have noticed this happening in the caribbean several years ago where you would take a flight from one of the islands into San Juan without first going through any security, and then, upon arrival in SJU, disembarking straight into the sterile concourse area. I don't know if this is still the case but this could lead to nefarious activities.


User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9897 times:

ICAO requires contracting states to establish security procedures at all airports that serve International Aviation. However it is at the discretion of the state as to whether or not the security procedures are extended to domestic air services.

User currently offline666Wizard From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9812 times:

Last summer, I took a number of flights to and from Dar Es Salaam (including to/from Zanzibar - 99% muslim island), mostly on light safari planes. No security at all on any flights. However, Euro rules applied before I caught the BA 767 back to LHR (scanners, no liquids etc), despite the fact that as far as I could see, you could walk the 400 yards from the GA terminal to the international stands at DAR without any obvious security... either way, Tanzania is a wonderful country, and I never felt worried for my safety (except for the lions and crocs, puff adders, malaria, etc).

The threat is real in some places, but quite obviously (and enjoyably!) not in other areas of the world.


25 NZ107 : New Zealand CAA rules state that no screening is needed for turboprops with less than 90 seats. Because of this, all regional airports in the country
26 ThegreatRDU : Any airport in the DR Congo, FIH has one outdated metal detector but there's several alternate paths to the apron....( I usually go to the balcony ups
27 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well some sort of screening would be required since if you're coming from another island, you'd have to go through customs since you are entering the
28 BlueFlyer : There is a security process at GA airports, it's called the crew and/or fellow passengers. When I get on a company plane (not as often as I'd like), I
29 UA772IAD : Indeed. I love how at ZQN you can just walk right up to the gate.
30 7324ever : At LAX I got of my flight and went to baggage clam and got my bag and walked out (no one at the door to confirm it was my bag to check tags or my clai
31 KE7JFF : I think its Part 135 operations that are not subject to TSA screening in the US.
32 EDICHC : It was an Eagle Air (operating under the Air New Zealand Link banner) Beech 1900D from Blenheim (Woodbourne) to Christchurch. Many regional airports
33 Post contains links NZ107 : No, it was the Air National-leased J32. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hija...k-charges-go-court-hearing-2342293 Only if you're flying on the AT7 or
34 Brilondon : Why should you not land? I don't see the problem in the Caribbean. We still had to go through security at SJU before we got on our flight that connec
35 Lexy : Check the quote below. I agree with you 100%!
36 Lexy : Depends on the airport and FBO and their policies in place.
37 Simpilot459 : How about into Qwest field during a Seahawks game? I completely understand and and agree with the reasoning behind security, but to an extent. Why is
38 Post contains links KE7JFF : Ladies and gentleman, I present this: http://www.dhs.gov/xoig/assets/mgmtrpts/OIG_09-69_May09.pdf
39 Ocracoke : The last time I flew out of SPS (before 9.11), there was no security check. Just walked onto the plane and flew to DFW. Excellent view of the landing,
40 L-188 : " target=_blank>http://www.dhs.gov/xoig/assets/mgmtr...9.pdf I am not impressed, Himmler wrote similar papers.
41 Fbgdavidson : Van Nuys is pretty well known as the busiest GA airport in the US if not the world. Only times I've ever flown private were on corporate aircraft wit
42 QXatFAT : I remember being down in BVB and showing up last min to get my ticket and go right to the stair way to the plane on the runway. Shoot, I would go to t
43 VirginFlyer : To be specific though, it wasn't an act of terrorism, it was an act of mental illness. The report you are referring to was actually quite specific in
44 Mir : I don't think it's Van Nuys. -Mir
45 Ryan h : Here in Australia regional airports don't have x ray machines, metal detectors etc. Most have a fence and that's about it. My last two flights have be
46 NZ107 : Specifically speaking, no, it was not an act of terrorism, but it was deemed to be by the general public and probably still is. Especially the Greens
47 Metroliner : From having worked at Booker Air Park (near High Wycombe, EGTB) for several years, I can tell you that security is tight, but very much based on commo
48 Vhqpa : In Australia from what I have noticed. If the airport sees jet operations it has security (regardless if you're travelling on a jet or not) and if it
49 Guitarist : Has anyone been asked about the ESTA when going through US Imigration yet? I submitted one last year but still had to fill in a visa waiver form on th
50 SKAirbus : In Norway there never used to be any security on domestic flights from TRD and SVG (and other domestic airports) until 2001.. and before Gardermoen wa
51 BestWestern : I've flown from five airports in French Polynesia, and with the exception of PPT, no other airports have security. Its a great way to fly....
52 FLY2HMO : I was going to refute that, but alas, Van Nuys is indeed 1st now. Anyways, the now current #2 is the one I was talking about, and it's not far behind
53 Luv2cattlecall : MWA security is a HUGE joke! I landed our C182 there and walked on board the Great Lakes flight to STL (interestingly, they waited until we deplaned i
54 Post contains links Fbgdavidson : I was stunned to find out that up until recently JER had a public footpath that went across the end of the runway! An airport that handles numerous 7
55 ADXMatt : If you take off from an airport w/o TSA screening then when you land at one that does you must deplane into a non sterile area and then go through TS
56 Metroliner : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzVK...CtmF0 Hi, Fbgdavidson! This news makes me regret not taking the chance to go to JER a couple o
57 PlymSpotter : RKV still had no security a couple of years ago, niether do any of the domestic Icelandic airports, but you don't feel unsafe. Only the Atlantic Airwa
58 YVRLTN : YVR south terminal doesnt have security, nor any of the small airfields in BC Pasco fly to. You can bet that will change for the Olympics - if it will
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