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What Happened To Panam 3?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

What happened to Panam 3? Is it out of business?

Will there be a Panam 4? Maybe international routes this time?

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Pan Am mk.3 went out of business November 1, 2004. Guildford Transportation transferred the Pan Am operations to Boston-Maine Airways under the name Pan Am Clipper Connection and restarted services under that name on February 17, 2005. That operation ceased operations on February 29, 2008. Technically, one could consider the Boston-Maine operation to be Pan Am mk.4.

Pan Am as an airline should really be considered dead and buried, as the owner of the Pan Am name and associated trademarks is still using them, albeit not on an airline. Guildford Transportation Industries renamed themselves Pan Am Systems and since the airline side shut down last year, the Pan Am name lives on as a railroad:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Pan_am_railways_352_307.jpg


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27307 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6184 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will there be a Panam 4? Maybe international routes this time?

Shame to see such an iconic logo reduced to a freight truck. Does anyone think that the US Government at the time should have bailed them out??


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6179 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Does anyone think that the US Government at the time should have bailed them out??

Not the last two incarnations, anyway. Even Pan Am I was not highly regarded by anyone in government or regulation. Trippe was so despised, Pan Am couldn't get anything done.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Will we see another Panam?

User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5952 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
Even Pan Am I was not highly regarded by anyone in government or regulation.

I think it was pretty clear those last few years that there was no saving PA v1.0. A bailout would have been pointless, anyway.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 4):
Will we see another Panam?

The old days are gone, but at least in terms of impressive international route structure - I'd give DL some credit.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5864 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
I think it was pretty clear those last few years that there was no saving PA v1.0. A bailout would have been pointless, anyway.

Why?

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
The old days are gone, but at least in terms of impressive international route structure - I'd give DL some credit.

I thought UA has a bigger international route structure.


User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5821 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
I think it was pretty clear those last few years that there was no saving PA v1.0. A bailout would have been pointless, anyway.

Why?

Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am

Then try: "Pan Am" on http://www.google.com



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5819 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):
Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
The old days are gone, but at least in terms of impressive international route structure - I'd give DL some credit.

I thought UA has a bigger international route structure.

delta.com and united.com both have current .pdf timetables. Perhaps you can download, peruse, and report back.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5812 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
The old days are gone, but at least in terms of impressive international route structure - I'd give DL some credit.

Delta will never be such an iconic brand as Pan Am was.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5786 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
Delta will never be such an iconic brand as Pan Am was.

Agreed. Not by a long shot.

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
The old days are gone, but at least in terms of impressive international route structure - I'd give DL some credit.

I give them credit, too. It's nice to see a U.S airline spread its wings to all corners of the globe. Of course, they can thank Pan Am for a rather large portion of their European network.  Smile


User currently offlineAlitis From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

Didn't Pan Am 3 or whatever iteration buy a whole unch of 727's from UA a few years back? I vaguely remember that UA sold them cheap with the stipulation that they cant be used by Pan Am within the continental US. Were they actually ever used by PA?

-alitis


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5740 times:



Quoting Alitis (Reply 11):
Didn't Pan Am 3 or whatever iteration buy a whole unch of 727's from UA a few years back?

They did. They used some of them for spare parts, and put the rest into service. PA3 ran a bunch of charters to go along with the limited scheduled service.


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Have any of the Germans here experience with the Internal German service PAA had? How was the brand seen? Was it strange to have a foreign airline operate a hub there?

I wonder if the PA code is sacred - if it'll be reassigned or not.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

The current UA and DL are much bigger than PA back then

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5354 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 13):
Have any of the Germans here experience with the Internal German service PAA had? How was the brand seen? Was it strange to have a foreign airline operate a hub there?

There wasn't any alternative to a foreign airline if you wanted to fly to West Berlin in those days. Only U.S. British and French carriers were permitted to operate between what was then West Germany and West Berlin. British European Airways (which merged with BOAC to form the current BA in 1974) and AF also operated several routes between points in Germany and West Berlin in those years, but Pan Am had the largest share of the market. As far back as 1963, PA had 40 flights a day from Berlin (THF airport then) to 8 cities in West Germany.

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 13):
I wonder if the PA code is sacred - if it'll be reassigned or not.

That's up to IATA which coordinates airline codes. Most codes of defunct carriers are re-assigned after being left dormant for a few years.


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