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WN Flight Diverts: "Hole" In Fuselage!  
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 35174 times:

Some breaking news at the moment in Nashville. A WN flight that took off from BNA bound for BWI has made an emergency landing in Charleston, WV due to what is reported to be a hole in the top of the fuselodge of the Boeing 737.

Airline Southwest
Flight Number 2294
Departure City (Airport) Nashville, TN (BNA)
Departure Time 07/13/2009 04:15 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Charleston, WV (CRW)
Arrival Time 07/13/2009 06:05 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 737-300
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status


It arrived at BNA from LAX on the previous flight. No details yet, but there appears to be no injuries. A aircraft is on its way to carry the pax on to their destination as we speak.


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 35106 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 5):
or pressurization issues?

They interviewed one of the pax and asked him that. He said there was a loss of pressure and the mask dropped down immediatly. They were instructed to put them on and all was well. He said the panel from the inside actually got stuck in the hole!

He did mention that everyone (pax and flight crew) seemed calm and collected. No idea yet on the size of the hole.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 35076 times:



Quoting Lexy (Thread starter):
reported to be a hole in the top of the fuselodge of the Boeing 737.

Would this be one of the 737's that has the eyebrow plug? Maybe the plug let go?



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 35005 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):

Would this be one of the 737's that has the eyebrow plug? Maybe the plug let go?

I thought that too! But the eyebrow plug is inside the cockpit.

Assuming cockpit door was closed, would it have any effect in the cabin? (Minus the fact masks deployed and such...)

Alex



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34983 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):
Would this be one of the 737's that has the eyebrow plug? Maybe the plug let go?

Not if, as per the pax report cited above, that there was a panel in it. Kinda hard for a pax to see that kind of thing if it were in the cockpit.

I'll remind everyone (as I usually do, no matter who's airline is involved) that the initial info immediately after any event is subject to error/correction, as we most recently all saw with that BA 747 that had aborted takeoff 20-30 feet off the gate and evac in PHX the other day. Let's wait and see what shakes out.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34976 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):
Would this be one of the 737's that has the eyebrow plug? Maybe the plug let go?

According to the news and the way they described it, it was in the passenger cabin because pax was reportedly able to see through it to the sky. Glad to confirm that there were no injuries and all is good! My hats off to the crew for their apparent professional way in dealing with this!



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34928 times:

Here's a link to WSMV's coverage of the event. Expect a picture of the hole to be posted soon on their site. They just showed a shot of it on the news.

Link: http://www.wsmv.com/news/20043443/detail.html



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1312 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34893 times:

A 1 ft x 1 ft hole?

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10719929



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34798 times:

Very interesting stuff. As I read through the replies, first thing that popped into my head was the Hawaii incident (737 not 747). I'm sure if it bore no resemblance to what happened on those flights, this would be world news but just the first thing I thought about.

More info to trickle in hopefully.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 34800 times:

It appears to be just that, a 1ft x 1ft hole. The picture wasn't the best at capturing just what happened and how large it was. Eitherway, just like OPNLguy said, let's wait and see what becomes of it after the media gets done with it.


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34529 times:

Does anyone know which aircraft was operating this flight?

User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3193 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34530 times:

The NBC News affiliate in Nashville www.WSMV.com has posted a picture of the breach on thier web URL.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34474 times:



Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):

Looks like its a -300 judging by the air conditioning vent on the cabin ceiling.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34444 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Looks like its a -300 judging by the air conditioning vent on the cabin ceiling.

Original post:

Quoting Lexy (Thread starter):
Some breaking news at the moment in Nashville. A WN flight that took off from BNA bound for BWI has made an emergency landing in Charleston, WV due to what is reported to be a hole in the top of the fuselodge of the Boeing 737.

Airline Southwest
Flight Number 2294
Departure City (Airport) Nashville, TN (BNA)
Departure Time 07/13/2009 04:15 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Charleston, WV (CRW)
Arrival Time 07/13/2009 06:05 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 737-300
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status

Does anyone have the tail number of the bird involved?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34329 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19):

Sometimes that is not always accurate....



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User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3193 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34300 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):

Flightaware.com shows todays flight to be a 737-700 series aircraft. The flight appears to have originated at SFO flew to LAX, to BNA, was enroute to BWI with continuation to BUF.

I think WN uses the 700 series aircraft on the Transcons.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34233 times:

Glad everyone's alright.

Could this have larger implications for WN after their MX troubles a couple of years ago? Can they expect to have angry Congressmen on their case?



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34187 times:



Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 22):
Flightaware.com shows todays flight to be a 737-700 series aircraft.

No. You're probably looking at the wrong date. Here is the correct flight (link) and it is a 737-300.



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 35048 times:

http://www.wsmv.com/2009/0713/20043835_240X180.jpg

Here is a link to the pic of it, where is it, I cant seem to tell what part of the plane its at?


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 35244 times:

the hole



User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34784 times:

What could cause this other than just metal fatigue? It was on the upper part of the aircraft, so I would guess that this isn't a case of unchecked ramp rash.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34733 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
so I would guess that this isn't a case of unchecked ramp rash.

How can you do ramp rash on top of an an aircraft?  confused 

Ramp rash is generally defined as a ramp vehicle vs. an aircraft.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34771 times:



Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 27):
the hole

Ouch! Could someone please do a 90 degree flip on that photo?  headache 

On a side note, a hole like that would really suck at altitude....  duck 

Okay, I'll open some speculation here: Could it have been caused by, say, an improperly applied fuselage patch where a no longer needed antenna was removed? (even perhaps, by an operator other than WN, as several of WN's -300's are second-hand birds...) I've often wondered how the Boeing maintenance manual addresses plugging holes in the pressure vessel portion of the fuselage...



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User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34787 times:

Here is our official statement:

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PROVIDES INFORMATION REGARDING FLIGHT 2294

Scheduled Nashville-Baltimore Flight Diverts to West Virginia



DALLAS, TX—July 13, 2009--Southwest Airlines confirms its flight 2294, the 4:05 pm Eastern scheduled departure from Nashville to Baltimore/Washington diverted into Yeager Airport in Charleston, W. Va at approximately 6:10 pm Eastern today after a cabin depressurization. All 126 passengers and crew of five onboard landed safely and are awaiting a replacement aircraft in Charleston that will take them to Baltimore Washington International Airport later this evening.



The aircraft cabin depressurized approximately 30 minutes into the flight, activating the passengers’ onboard oxygen masks throughout the cabin. Medical personnel in Charleston assessed passengers and no injuries are reported. Southwest is sending its maintenance personnel to Charleston to assess the aircraft, and the airline will work with the NTSB to determine the cause of the depressurization. According to initial crew reports, the depressurization appears to be related to a small hole located approximately mid-cabin, near the top of the aircraft.


User currently offlineSpirtofalaska From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 192 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 34732 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 26):
Here is a link to the pic of it, where is it, I cant seem to tell what part of the plane its at?

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF WRONG.... BUT

I believe the pic is along the Top of the ceiling , the metal on the bottom of the pic, along with the bracket looking thing appears to be the Air vent that runs along the roof of the cabin. I only say this because i usually run my hands along it while working on a flight to ensure the air blowing out is a comfortable level.



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25 SXDFC : I am taking a guess but it looks like part of the actual ceiling of the aircraft. I say this because the middle part looks the same of that on the -7
26 Post contains links IAD51FL : In looking at this photo: http://media.nowpublic.net/images//e...d6f91fb339db0cabad2779cfd7b12b.jpg It appears to be right in the middle of the roof,
27 KingCavalier : They mean after a hole in the top of our aircraft caused the cabin to depressurize.
28 BMI727 : I'm pretty sure you can't, hence I said that this probably isn't a case of unchecked ramp rash. Interesting thought.
29 Meristem : Is the thought that a panel came loose? I thought the spacing of the ribs would make 1 X 1 ft hard to happen, I'm assuming they meant 1 x 1 ft-ish....
30 2H4 : Why oh why couldn't this have instead happened to an A380? The blowhole joke opportunities would have been unparalleled. 2H4
31 Post contains links and images KFLLCFII : Oriented more properly: It can be more easily seen as the overhead panel from the -300 design: View Large View MediumPhoto © Konstantin Von Wedel
32 QANTAS747-438 : The AC was N387SW, a -300. N715SW was brought in to pick up the paxs.
33 WestWing : Did this aircraft have a SATCOM antenna installed for on-board internet ?
34 GentFromAlaska : Yes I did look at the wrong date. Here's my surrender flag. I would have never thought WN would use 300 metal on a Transcons. All the WN flights I ev
35 Atrude777 : Shamu to the rescue!!! Alex
36 Flood : If that's the case, then according to airfleets: Serial number 26602 LN:2627 Type 737-3H4 First flight date 16/06/1994
37 SXDFC : If you mean the wi-fi ? those are a/c 901- 902 and maybe 906? I believe theres six of them total..
38 KirkSeattle : That is scary. Good job to the pilots and crew of that aircraft!
39 GentFromAlaska : Concur "Bravo Zulu"
40 SXDFC : If I am not mistaken a/c 387 ( the one involved in the incident here ), is a candidate for the winglet mod, maybe this bird had that mod done and is
41 BMI727 : It is. Epecially since I've watched Miracle Landing dozens of times since I was three. Isn't 1 x 1 roughly the distance between tear straps? Edit: I
42 WNCrew : I didn't realize there were any seams in the top of the fuselage. Also, isn't there a crown above the platic ceiling panels? How much distance is ther
43 Okie : I am going to ask if this was an area of the fuselage that was of some concern relating to the oversight of the MX not to long ago? Okie
44 Post contains links WestWing : See the photo from Charleston Gazette. Hole appears close to (just in front of) the tail.
45 Post contains links Spartanmjf : An interesting picture of the top end of the fuselage on the specific a/c is located here
46 N49WA : Admittedly it is hard to see the details from this photo, but it does look somewhat symmetrical. Would a patch or an inspection access cover cause it
47 Flyabunch : I realize it may be far fetched, but could a small meteorite be responsible? It should be easy to tell when examined. Mike
48 Okie : For some reason I remember 27's having an issue near the top of the fuselage just in front of the tail. That was long ago so I do not remember the de
49 Steeler83 : A great new idea for when the time comes to scrap planes! I hope I'm not too late with that one, as there are about to be 59 replies to this thread.
50 Post contains links Siromega : WN (@Southwestair) announced that all their -300s will be checked out before tomorrow morning first flights. http://twitter.com/SouthwestAir/status/26
51 Lexy : Oh no, you're never too late in aviation discussions. Just look at all the threads on here and you'll see! LOL!! I am just glad this wasn't worse tha
52 Steeler83 : Or if the plane was Shamu One for that matter (altho it would have sucked/STUNK, my bad!!!) Eh, I tried to add/edit this to a post I posted not 2 min
53 KELPkid : De-icer cherrypicker bucket? Although it's the wrong time of the year for deicing...
54 WestWing : So it would seem then that Southwest maintenance has determined that whatever the issue that caused this incident was - it is specific to the 733 fus
55 Steeler83 : Yeah, but you've provided a bit of humor that essentially sidetracked away from the main discussion to supply us all with a great laugh! I wish I cou
56 Lexy : HAHA! Good point albeit it wasn't on purpose of course. Now......oh never mind.
57 KELPkid : At this point, who knows? However, the -300's are, for the most part, (there are many -500's in the fleet that are older than this -3H4 built in 1994
58 JAAlbert : So how old is this particular aircraft? Could age be a factor? (I guess that's a stupid question!)
59 Lexy :
60 Flyboyseven : Correct me if i am wrong, but i seem to remember that 737s have some sort of latice all over the fuselage that is about 1x1 that is supposed to stop
61 KirkSeattle : Looks like she is just about 15 years old.
62 BMI727 : There are tear straps (titanium?) at 10 inch intervals throughout the fuselage. It appears that, unlike the AQ243 incident, they did their job perfec
63 Tdscanuck : Yes. The cockpit door isn't built to hold back a pressure differential. It actually has blowout panels in it to prevent large pressure differentials
64 Plainplane : It looked like the design of the fuselage did what it was meant to do, the hole looks like a perfect square. Might this have anything to do with the i
65 Post contains links OPNLguy : Fair use excerpts from: http://www.dailymail.com/News/Kanawha/200907130735?page=2&build=cache "Their flight had left Nashville at 4:05 p.m. and was se
66 FlyASAGuy2005 : The pic posted by is pretty amazing and quite scary. I would have hated to be on this particular flight or in the area of the tear/ hole.
67 KBUF : Why wasn't I made aware that WN was flying 747's?
68 Post contains links and images WestWing : Well, we hear it was a Shamu livery aircraft that flew the passengers from Yeager to BWI. Aviation-Design.Net:Design © BluewhaleTemplate © Bluewhale
69 OPNLguy : Wouldn't it be a hoot if that photo showed up on the front page somewhere?
70 Post contains links ULMFlyer : Here's the link to the picture again: http://twitpic.com/a9vk8 My post was deleted for quoting 2H4's "fuselodge" gem, so as to keep the thread on top
71 Dl757md : Frames are 20" c to c.
72 AirframeAS : No, I don't think that would be possible. There are a very few select people on the ramp that do that and they are certified to do that kind of work.
73 Flyboyseven : Ahhh. Ok. Well it is lucky that didnt happen here. What other a/c have these "tear strips"? Or are they common to all of the modern jetliners? What w
74 Contrails : Good question. This was an older plane, and I can't help but wonder if metal fatigue played any role in it. I'll be very interested in seeing what th
75 Max550 : What kind of inspection did they do overnight? Were they just looking for visible cracks in the fuselage or something more involved?
76 Nkops : Heck of a headwind I'm guessing.. Did I somehow miss this announ. on A-net.?? Gotta love the press!!
77 Luftfahrer : A 737... must be one of the biggest planes CRW has ever seen!
78 Lexy : When did you guys start service on 747's OPNLguy?? That's priceless. Quite possibly the best misprint I have ever seen.
79 Post contains images Soon7x7 : Probably was an old 300 series...note this flying patchquilt...I count 11 scab patches...the one on the roof by the production lapjoint commonly has c
80 Post contains images Fxramper : Pax on board flight in question.
81 Post contains links KingCavalier : There is a cell phone video on WSMV Nashville - http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10719929 Gotta love the quote of one of the passengers,
82 BlueheronNC : Sidebar, but didn't realize that Charleston, WV, way out in the boonies as it is, had such a workable airport, apparently with Airtran and all. Just c
83 Jcf5002 : I guess the bag really doesn't inflate...
84 KcrwFlyer : I wouldn't really consider us in the boonies. Charleston has a decent amount of civilization surrounding it. The airports got FL, AA, DL, NW, UA, US
85 Richierich : Aren't all AirTran flighs 'mainline' these days? I can think of several other places where AirTran flies (or has flown) that is/was not matched by DL
86 Smcmac32msn : They don't have deicers in Bloomington???
87 DLflynhayn : And a big hole in the plane that's all.
88 Enilria : If this doesn't turn out to be a botched patch, what are the implications on all similar aircraft? I would think this is critical enough to launch an
89 SXDFC : That flying patch quilt aka N673AA left the WN fleet quite recently..
90 Smcmac32msn : Not the first "inspection" to happen at night for a long shot. Most inspections happen at night, in hangars (i.e.-lights) at dedicated shops.... Not
91 GentFromAlaska : Possibly they are referring to the flight time between BNA-BUF incorporating the BWI stopover. . WN 2294 according to flightaware.com was to continue
92 ULMFlyer : Holy cow! Had never seen anything like this. What's the reason for all these patches? I know people who'd never get on that plane if they noticed the
93 AirframeAS : I wonder if they are going to write this aircraft off or do more sheetmetal work on it.
94 Soon7x7 : These are required repairs if the life of the airframe is to be extended, basically, any locations where corrosion or rivet crack propogation is foun
95 BayAreaBlue : Assuming WN does carry ELT's, the -300 would not have had a fixed ELT which would have an external antenna. You will mainly find the ELT antennas on
96 Dragon6172 : Ah yes, the typical misunderstanding between passenger and crew. Not saying it went like this, but I would imagine that the crew thought that when pa
97 Wnbob : Looks like a perfect square hole. Any MX here know if there's an access panel at that location?
98 CatIII : On a related note, and I presume it wasn't but I just thought I would throw it out there, was this the same aircraft that had the diversion into Colum
99 Venus6971 : Took care of a WN 733 on a charter a couple of weeks ago, it had a patchwork of scabpatches and buttonhead rivets along the windows and upper seems of
100 KELPkid : Going by the AD number, this must be a very recently discovered problem. WN's MX department probably had just heard about it and was in the planning
101 EMBQA : This AD dates back to late 2004...it is a good place to start looking, but the AD calls out for an inspection under the dorsail fin blade seal area.
102 Derik737 : *Rumor disclaimer on* Rumor going around that this was a very recent repair (patch) installed by a different airline (won't name for now) for WN per t
103 BMI727 : They do, which is why I asked. But those who would know seem to think that that is a pretty remote possibility. Most, if not all, WN planes I've seen
104 AirframeAS : At that location, no access panels that I can remember.
105 DXing : What's the usual stage length for a -300? Drag would become a cost factor on a long haul flight but up and down 60-90 minute cycles? Looks like a ski
106 Post contains links 747megatop : Initial crew reports, says the carrier, indicate that the incident is related to a "small-sized hole located approximately mid-cabin", near the top of
107 Enilria : First, who is going to see a tiny crack on a "walkaround"? Next, who is going to see one the roof of the plane? Finally, who is going to see a crack
108 AirframeAS : I am pretty sure the mechanics who did these inspections were following the BMM. Mechanics at WN have a lot of pride in what they do, I doubt that th
109 Atrude777 : No one claimed they did, but they pulled the entire 737-300 fleet, all 181 to be checked out. As airframe said, let's wait to check the cause before
110 Richierich : This was probably as much for a PR move as anything else. If I was flying on a WN B733 today, that incident would be on my mind too (even though the
111 AirframeAS : They can't. But it can be accomplished in a minimum of 2-3 nights.
112 Boeing747_600 : Well, I don't know what the technical specifications of "small-sized holes" stipulate, but that hole was significant enough to classify this as a ver
113 Enilria : Nowhere did I ever blame WN's mechanics. Besides it's management and the FAA who decide what to repair and when. IF this was structural fatigue it wo
114 Silver1SWA : Well I can assure you it was much more than just a statement. I know checks were carried out over night. Mechanics and inpectors were scrambled throu
115 Post contains links Viscount724 : A few shots of the hole in this news video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4C96r8a-RE&feature=player_embedded
116 Enilria : That makes me feel better, but I'd still like to see an AD.
117 FlyASAGuy2005 : ??? Charleston is not exactly "way out". And I don't understand about AirTran usually being mainline. They don't have a connection carrier and their
118 AirframeAS : Yes you did, indirectly. You said that they need to do more detailed inspections. AND....Boeing. That is a voluntary thing on your part, makes you so
119 Soon7x7 : I thought of that after I post...they do probably use them on the short legs...Not sure of designed cycles. I fly WN much and always feel comfortable
120 EMBQA : If you know what to look for they are very easy to spot. Any pressure leak will cause a streaking effect on the fuselage from the air leaking out. Yo
121 Sancho99504 : Not sure how off topic this is, but my wife just told me that in OKC, WN and the 737's are getting a lot of crap from the media. The folks in OKC are
122 AirframeAS : Every airline that has mechanical problems normally get smeared by the media. AA did when the MD80 checks didn't occur. AS did when AS261 went down,
123 Richierich : Apologies, I didn't want to imply that Southwest was only giving lip service but I do question how thorough of a check they could possibly do 'scramb
124 Tdscanuck : It is, but it's nothing compared to the fatigue issues of trying to put that many flush rivets into an already fatigue critical repair. Not much. If
125 BMI727 : I think that they had to fly lower for a while until they were inspected.
126 ULMFlyer : Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that said 737 was unsafe by any means. I actually think she looks pretty cool all patched up. Just hadn't see
127 RFields5421 : An extensive check can be done in a short period of time. Both an external and an internal check of the aircraft skin. Furthermore, the SWA teams kno
128 RFields5421 : Since the ability to edit my post is not working - I'll add something here. I am certainly not SWA's greatest fan. Certainly not of their "Set Love Fr
129 Post contains links and images F9fan : Yes. The flight leaves BNA at 4:05 pm CDT and arrives at BWI at 6:50 pm EDT. On another note, it looks like NBC News is already pointing the finger a
130 AirframeAS : Ironic how they reported this from DCA. WN does not fly into DCA. I don't appreciate how NBC has smeared WN for these inspections violations that hav
131 Enilria : I said that an overnight inspection of 100s of airplanes called by the company is not thorough enough for my tastes. It is ridiculous for you to cons
132 AirframeAS : Obviously, your statement alone goes to show you don't understand how CAMP (Continued Airworthiness Maintenance Programs) works. Yes you did.... See
133 Tdscanuck : Absolutely. However, even the FAA essentially admitted they hyper-overreacted on that one (after having that fact beat into them by Congress, the OEM
134 Rafaelyyz : Exactly. Glad someone noticed.
135 Post contains links Max777geek : Very clear picture from above http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/buco-aereo/1.html
136 MD11Engineer : To me the damage looks too clean for a random fatique damage in the middle of a skin crown panel. I think, just judging from the pictures posted in th
137 DALMD88 : There is an AD out to inspect the 737 classics for skin cracks in the wing fillet area. Most of the skin on the 737 is chem milled. Under the stringer
138 Phollingsworth : That is what I am thinking. Rivet spacing and double design are critical to the fatigue life and damage tolerance of a repair/patch. I mentioned in a
139 Hiflyer : Blew up some of the pix until pixel fail....edges appear clean...not ragged...and hole appears very symmetrical. Do not see any sign of an antenna mou
140 Post contains images Soon7x7 : It appears as though the petalled hole is the same shape as the sheetmetal that exists between the anti tear doubler which are hot bonded to the insi
141 Hiflyer : Great pix!!! Sure does look similar especially around the edges.
142 Soon7x7 : The area inside the tear strips are 8.5"x8.5". The skin could have been "worked" over time through pressure cycles and finally gave way..."Worked" me
143 Enilria : I wanna say 2000. An airplane executed an "uncontrolled maneuver" while under autopilot as a result of a proximity warning. Airbus had issued a softw
144 Par13del : WN parks the majority of its fleet overnight at a number of stations around the country, at most they probably have at least a mechanic, so some a/c
145 Phollingsworth : Is this the frame and stringer bays at the location of failure (obviously a different airframe)? The reason I ask is that there are quite a few 733s
146 MD11Engineer : Remember last year after the fire of the Chinese 737NG in Japan caused by a wrongly installed slat stop fitting bolt? Right after the cause for the f
147 KELPkid : What type of antenna would you place just before the vertical stabilizer fillet? I know a thing or two about radios, antennas, and their placement on
148 Spacepope : Most recent info I can find from the FAA on this airframe is from 4/12/09. Total hours are 50097, total cycles are 41984. Isolated case of fatigue? S
149 KELPkid : Relatively young for one of WN's -3H4's, then About a mid-life machine...
150 Soon7x7 : This roof skin in the photo was a typical sample of the roof or crown area (737) but I have never seen antennas located that far aft, especially at t
151 WNCrew : There seem to be some people who LUV to hate WN... not just here on this board but in general. They jump at any opportunity to smear Southwest Airline
152 Post contains images Diamond : I have a friend who snapped several photos of N387SW 2 days before the incident. On all of his photos, there is a slight bump in front of the stabili
153 OPNLguy : I know what you mean. I suspect that it's not really anyone being "anti-" anything, but moreso a case of folks trying to form opinions based on incom
154 DocLightning : I agree. A similar failure brought down another plane once... The Comet. Admittedly, we learned a few lessons about how to build jet aircraft from th
155 KELPkid : Most likely a skin patch...although at this point that is pure speculation, as none of us has the MX logbooks for N387SW sitting in front of us Ditto
156 Viscount724 : I disagree. Have you forgotten the Section 41 repairs required on early 747s where major structural repairs were required to the nose section due to
157 AirframeAS : Oh, I'm reading the WHOLE quote. Your complete lack of knowledge and experience in airline maintenance is sure showing.... I'm taking OPNL's lead her
158 Valkyrie01 : It doesn't necessary has to be a log book entry it could be a non routine.Well you can write discrepancies in the log book or on a non routine. It,s
159 BMI727 : I agree, but if I had to guess I'd say that this is more of a fluke incident and not something caused by widespread deficiencies on the part of Boein
160 WNCrew : VERY well said to both of you! My thoughts exactly!
161 Rikkus67 : It will be very interesting to see how many cycles were on this particular airframe, relative to its age. As I recall, the Aloha bird had a very high
162 BMI727 : You are right there. If a disaster was going to happen, it was going to happen in Hawaii to Aloha. Those aircraft flew tons of cycles in a damaging c
163 Tdscanuck : That's "serious" in the procedural sense, not the safety sense. The issue on the MD-80's had essentially zero safety impact. It's obviously possible
164 Soon7x7 : Thats new to me...will scrutinize my own shots...the image you presented clearly shows something, but if it were an antenna it should not have canyon
165 Soon7x7 : I called up 12 Southwest tail shots on a mix of 700 series and 300 series and not one of them indicates anything such as the image you supplied. In f
166 Pygmalion : I'll pile on Tom's comment here. It is a normal part of aluminum aircraft design, to add features to the skin to limit cracks and tears from growing
167 Mariner : Frontier did not have any Airbus aircraft in its fleet in 2000. mariner
168 Flood : That's interesting. I know A+B design for this, but what's this test called and are there by any chance any videos of this out there? Thanks.
169 RFields5421 : Specific details are posted above in this thread somewhere - but according to the Dallas CBS TV station news a few moments ago the aircraft has a lit
170 Post contains images Diamond : Here are 3 other shots all taken within about 5 seconds of each other. The 'bump' looks similar in each one.
171 DocLightning : By "major issue" I mean it hasn't crashed tons of planes lately.
172 Soon7x7 : Yes, clearly a repair on the pictured airframe, I wonder if by design that is for some reason a stresspoint that receives attention, possibly an AD i
173 MD11Engineer : The 737NG (and I assume the Classic as well) has some very narrow damage limits in the fuselage crown area. I know this because we had some lightning
174 Post contains links MarkHKG : New NTSB pictures... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...est-737-300-fuselage-pictures.html
175 WNCrew : "Officials say there was “no significant corrosion or obvious pre-existing mechanical damage” noted during the initial visual examination of the f
176 WestWing : The photographer should seriously consider submitting copies of those pics to the NTSB with the background on when/where etc. in case it helps the NT
177 Soon7x7 : No patch, no corrosion...looks like a freak flaw in the aluminum possibly...j
178 Dragon6172 : The straight edge of the tear along the top seems to be from the stringer that was there. Is the straight edge on the back side of the tear from one o
179 HAWK21M : Odd location for ramp rash cause. A little elevated angle would have been fantastic.Too bad. Very Odd......Looks like weakened skin,but why here & no
180 Post contains links GuitrThree : Just watching WSMV Nashville out of the side of my eyes and ears and heard that N387SW has left WV and arrived in Dallas. Sure enough, it has: http://
181 EMBQA : I would wager to say it was fully repaired. Easy doubler repair that a good sheetmetal guy could do in his sleep. It looks like a failure along the c
182 Post contains links WNCrew : Looks like it's proving NOT to be related to metal fatigue or a bad patch job as some were all too eager to propose. Let's hope the media JUST as vigi
183 Post contains links Phollingsworth : It should be a fairly easy repair, one straight out of the SRM. The only issue is to you install the time-limited repair or do a full permanent repai
184 EMBQA : Why install a temp repair...? Easy access and an easy repair. A quality Sheetmetal guy could fix that in 2 - 3 hours tops. I doubt seriously that wha
185 WestWing : Yes, but that's the point isn't it. I'm assuming the photos are authentic. There appears to be a noticeable bulge in the location two days before fai
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