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Australian Aviation Thread 29  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23323 times:

It's time to unravel another Australian Aviation Thread without making too much of a mess on the floor, because vacuuming sucks.

In Thread 29 we discussed:

* No Live2Air on Pacific Blue NZ domestic flights
* ILS at OOL - desirable or not?
* Reports that Virgin Atlantic considering flying to Australia via Shanghai
* Could Air New Zealand buy Virgin Blue?
* Pacific Blue to fly BNE-DUD, SYD-WLG, SYD-ZQN, DPS-HKT tag approval gained
* Virgin Blue and Emirates interline agreement, and partnership with Delta, FF agreement with Virgin Atlantic
* A6-ERG (tailstrike) has now left Australia
* Strategic Aviation buys OzJet
* Could VH-XBA (707) ever fly again?
* What to replace QF's 767's in the short term?

Airways to screen tonight, so get in practice and start complaining about Australian aviation here and now.


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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23238 times:

Re continuation of QF B767 discussion from Thread 28

That's the thing though Geek, SYD-AVV is not a Citiflyer route.  Smile You might argue that AVV is Melbourne but it caters for completely different markets. If I was on a holiday to the Great Ocean Road, I'd book to AVV, no doubt about it. How many business pax are there to south west Melbourne or Geelong? Not a substantial number probably.

I see your point but again the issue is how many 764's should QF have bought? It would be a very small subfleet, probably no more than 6-8 frames. I'm still not convinced about the merits of using 764's in the middle of the day when the CASM advantage cannot be achieved which would render the 764 even more of a niche aircraft.

Granted, it would make a fine SYD/MEL - PER aircraft but to buy an entire new sub-fleet when an aircraft of the ability of the 332 has been ordered and a substantial number in operation whether it be for QF subsidiaries or else? In hindsight possibly a mistake from Dixon but I'm sure in hindsight, no B777's for QF was possibly a mistake.


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User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 23030 times:



Quoting The Coachman (Reply 1):
I see your point but again the issue is how many 764's should QF have bought? It would be a very small subfleet, probably no more than 6-8 frames. I'm still not convinced about the merits of using 764's in the middle of the day when the CASM advantage cannot be achieved which would render the 764 even more of a niche aircraft.

That may be, but who cares? The same pilot rating, I believe the same engines, it would be a very small number of extra spare parts you'd need to stock.

The problem with using these planes SYD/MEL-PER is that the freight capacity is inferior to the A330. But it takes 4 planes, minimum, to run an hourly SYD-MEL shuttle. So a fleet of 6-8 764s, with the extras doing a few SYD-BNE runs would have worked out IMNSHO.

The QF domestic A332 is a sub fleet too. I really think QF were smoking something when they put the A332 on domestic duties. Why not re-configure their early A333 with the lower MTOW for domestic, and run them SYD/MEL-PER? Best freight capacity around, and killer CASM besides.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 23013 times:

Any additional news/rumours regarding DJ and the trading pause the other day? They came out and said nothing was happening but it seemed odd to have to pause for so long to make an announcement that said nothing was going on.

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 22988 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 3):
but it seemed odd to have to pause for so long to make an announcement that said nothing was going on.

Translated means, the deal is not yet far enough along to announce to the market that something of substance is in the works!!


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 22955 times:

Haven't seen it posted in the previous thread, but Indonesia AirAsia have added a second daily frequency to DPS-PER before the first frequency even began!

http://www.airasia.com/site/au/en/pr...8b0ae84-7f000010-101e0810-fa16f3be


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 22950 times:

http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=94683&nav=130

Water for the loo fills QF cabin


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 22859 times:

This thread's namesake magazine Australian Aviation has a couple of articles on the US players in the SYD-LAX game.

The UA one is full of errors...Go ahead, see if you can pick them...



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 22733 times:

As listed in another thread - SQ adds Melbourne as its 6th A380 destination from September 29, 2009.
The big bus will replace the current daily B747-400 service on the SQ227/SQ228 flights. It appears the other 2 daily flights will remain unchanged and operated by B773 & B77W aircraft.

Good news for Melbourne and you would think that if form has anything to do with it, Emirates will be the next carrier to add Melbourne to it's list of A380 destinations?

BZF



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22580 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 4):
Translated means, the deal is not yet far enough along to announce to the market that something of substance is in the works!!

someone got a little too excited and was leaking too soon?  Smile

Quoting ANstar (Reply 6):
Water for the loo fills QF cabin

thankfully it was FOR them and not FROM them....*shudder*....


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22563 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 6):
Water for the loo fills QF cabin

Are they certain it wasn't just drunk business class passengers pissing down on those in the lower classes? (or on first class?)  Smile



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22512 times:



Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 8):
Good news for Melbourne and you would think that if form has anything to do with it, Emirates will be the next carrier to add Melbourne to it's list of A380 destinations?

I had heard are rumor from staff in MEL that EK are looking at doing that in October??? anyone know more?



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22485 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 2):
Best freight capacity around, and killer CASM besides.

Going on the things that people thought were truisms a few years ago... Freight capacity of Airbus types vs Boeing 767. When Qantas was still deciding to go Airbus or 767 in 1983, everyone was talking about LD3 baggage/freight containers. Two of them fit nicely into an Airbus widebody, not quite so good for a 767. BUT, this did not worry Qantas at the time, as they carried freight on pallets - the LD3s were only for bags.

For CASM - when the A330 was first introduced by Canada3000, their rule of thumb was that the aircraft was best for routes of more than 6 and a half hours. Of course there are lots of airlines around the world that use A332s for less than optimal routes.

Qantas must be one of the few airlines that is still operating widebodies on short routes - of one hour flying time. There are short routes in Japan, and some two hour flights between the Gulf and India/Pakistan.

It was a bit of a culture shock for some Qantas International Cabin Crew in 1993 when they had to work a Sydney Melbourne domestic sector, and one of the wondered whether all the work done on the interstate trip could be handled by a few fax machines.


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22464 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 12):
For CASM - when the A330 was first introduced by Canada3000, their rule of thumb was that the aircraft was best for routes of more than 6 and a half hours. Of course there are lots of airlines around the world that use A332s for less than optimal routes.

That's the A332. I'm talking about the A333. QF's A333s have a lower MTOW and are only good for 7000km, presumably that figure is reduced if cargo is carried.

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 1):
That's the thing though Geek, SYD-AVV is not a Citiflyer route. You might argue that AVV is Melbourne but it caters for completely different markets. If I was on a holiday to the Great Ocean Road, I'd book to AVV, no doubt about it. How many business pax are there to south west Melbourne or Geelong? Not a substantial number probably.

I do think that AVV is Melbourne. It's targetting the lower yield pax, so I hope that was what you meant by "a different market". In fact, the Geelong/SW Melbourne market would be quite small.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22408 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 13):
do think that AVV is Melbourne. It's targetting the lower yield pax, so I hope that was what you meant by "a different market". In fact, the Geelong/SW Melbourne market would be quite small.

Yes, I was referring to lower yield pax.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 13):
QF's A333s have a lower MTOW and are only good for 7000km, presumably that figure is reduced if cargo is carried.

How then, do QF 333's do SYD-HKG fully loaded then which it does. There was the story that QF's early 332's had the lower MTOW for domestic routes and the lighter cabin floors to make them lighter. Are you sure it's the 333's that have the lower MTOW?

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 12):
Qantas must be one of the few airlines that is still operating widebodies on short routes - of one hour flying time. There are short routes in Japan, and some two hour flights between the Gulf and India/Pakistan.

SQ -
SIN-KUL
SIN-PEN
SIN-CGK

CX -
HKG-TPE
HKG-MNL

AC -
YYZ-YUL

EK -
DXB-BAH
DXB-MCT

Quite a few airlines out there do it.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22384 times:

SQ/CX and EK do not have any smaller planes in their fleet to operate their short flights. CX call their operation the "intelligent misuse of aircraft". While Kai Tak was in use, half hourly flights between HKG and TPE would have stretched the airport and big Asian carriers like to fly people in Widebodies. AC would be similar to Qantas. But many years ago, A300s were flying all around Europe, London-Paris.

User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22303 times:



Quoting The Coachman (Reply 14):
How then, do QF 333's do SYD-HKG fully loaded then which it does. There was the story that QF's early 332's had the lower MTOW for domestic routes and the lighter cabin floors to make them lighter. Are you sure it's the 333's that have the lower MTOW?

I do not know. I was assuming load restrictions applied. Here's a link though: http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/ourAircraft/seatMap333 I suppose it could apply only to a sub fleet, but I wouldn't think so. SYD-HKG is 7372km great circle distance. Current MTOW for an A333 is ~233t. According to qantas.com, their A33s have an MTOW of 212t.

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 14):
There was the story that QF's early 332's had the lower MTOW for domestic routes and the lighter cabin floors to make them lighter

This is VH-EBA to VH-EBD, now in JQ. I haven't heard that the MTOW was reduce before, just that the floor was weaker than other A332s.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22094 times:

Martinair Cargo have ended service to Australia.

User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21901 times:

Can anyone confirm that Tiger are ceasing all Canberra Ops? I know it been on the chopping block, but they have not announced anything yet.

User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21738 times:

Tiger tripling their Sydney capacity, to fly MEL-SYD 9 times a day, then 2 Daily from Adelaide

Its very interesting as it puts TT ahead of JQ in terms of Sydney Capacity from both Melbourne and Adelaide. Without doubt JQ will have to move all their Sydney Avalon ops across to Tullamarine.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21709 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 16):
Current MTOW for an A333 is ~233t. According to qantas.com, their A33s have an MTOW of 212t.



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 16):
This is VH-EBA to VH-EBD, now in JQ. I haven't heard that the MTOW was reduce before, just that the floor was weaker than other A332s.

The first A333 aircraft were purchased for domestic routes to put Ansett out of business. Of course Ansett was gone before they arrived. For this purpose they did not need greater MTOW. There are some 18 different weight versions for the A333 and 14 for the A332.
There are 3 versions of the A333 at 212t MTOW.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 21625 times:



Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 19):
Its very interesting as it puts TT ahead of JQ in terms of Sydney Capacity from both Melbourne and Adelaide. Without doubt JQ will have to move all their Sydney Avalon ops across to Tullamarine.

Currently there appears ot be working being done over at the QF terminal where the regional QFlink flights depart from looks like they are extending the terminal out there, could this possible be for future JQ flights from AVV being transfered to MEL thus the need for more gates? alternativly it could be simply for an undercover area for the QFLink apron although the area looks far to big for that to me, admitetly I only saw it whilst taxing in from BNE, great flights on QF and decent ones on JQ in starclass recently too.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21613 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 20):
The first A333 aircraft were purchased for domestic routes to put Ansett out of business

The A380/A330 order was announced after Ansett went tits up the first time from memory,.... So I thinkt he A330 order had more to do with their fleet replacement than trying to kill AN off.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21375 times:



[Quite a neat and impressive network the Virgin Blue Group has ex-BNE - great to finally also see DJ reintroduce a true route map!]

Honiara

Pacific Blue sought approval to operate additional capacity on the Brisbane to Honiara route earlier this month. They were recently awarded the right to operate an additional weekly 737-800 service. With services on Tuesdays and Thursdays, a new Saturday or Sunday service would seem to be the likely outcome. Premium Economy sales seem to be good on the route, given the additional space and flexible conditions.

Denpasar (Bali)

Pacific Blue has also sought approval to operate an extra 4x weekly services from Australia to Denpasar (Bali). Given PER is daily, I think Adelaide, Brisbane or Sydney will likely be the beneficiaries of additional services:

Adelaide - currently 3x weekly. One additional weekly service would seem the likely outcome, with possibly a new service on Saturday or Sunday. Pacific Blue has a monopoly and uptake of services seems to be rather good.

Sydney - current twice weekly schedule just doesn't cut it in comparison to Garuda and Jetstar's offering. It has been mentioned that the flight is load limited (ANstar will be able to confirm) therefore another weekly service would seem to be the likely outcome.

Brisbane - currently 5x weekly. Exceptional uptake of services (BNE/DPS now the third largest market behind PER and SYD and also people still laugh at the prospect of Garuda returning to BNE with A330-200s), load-limits once again due to range, Jetstar operating daily A320 BNE/DPS services via DRW (and reportedly upgrading some DPS services to A321 equipment). An additional 2 services per week would bring the service to a daily offering and would assist in balancing the load impediment.

What about Perth? Indonesia AirAsia has not long commenced services and there's talk of adding an additional daily service and Jetstar not too long ago increased services. It's a huge market, so perhaps we'll see a couple more services? What about Melbourne? There's thrice weekly services, would imagine they're also load-limited and Garuda Indonesia is the only threat (JQ only operate a 332 services twice-weekly).

It seems Virgin Blue's Premium Economy is also a hit to Indonesia, regularly selling out. I see that prices for Premium Economy have increased (well from BNE anyway, not sure about ex-other ports) to a tad over $1000 one way.

Interestingly, Garuda's has been advertising MEL/SYD-CGK services for a tad over $1000 return in Business Class. Terrible for yields, but the passenger is getting a true J seat and service! Certainly a bargain..

What are the thoughts of others?


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21334 times:

If the 738s are a bit load limited, would it be overkill to use the 77Ws to DPS if the 77Ws have some spare days? At least it would give the planes something to do.The ideal planes for SYD/MEL and BNE to do flights to DPS are something in between the 738s and the 77Ws. Perhaps borrow a 763 from AirNZ. 757s, which could be operated as ACMI planes could be sourced from several good UK operators - they would have the ideal combination of size and range. They carry people to similar leisure destinations out of the UK. They would be a good solution for Jetstar as well. where a tech stop in DRW is not really a good way of carrying people to Bali.

If the range figures at Boeing are accurate,a 737-900ER would have the range for South East Australia to Bali, if they must operate new aircraft


25 ANstar : SYD has been going out at max capacity every flight since it started a few weeks ago. The problem on this route is it IS load restricted... flights a
26 Ben175 : Regarding PER, I'd really like to see low cost carriers experiment with new destinations rather than having major price wars on routes to DPS & SIN wh
27 DJMEL : Next hot destination is HKT on DJ, however DPS is also going compete with the seats as well, as it will be an extension service and Vietnam is also on
28 ANstar : Pacifc Blue have recently been given 180 minutes ETOPS on the 737-800.
29 Post contains links Flyboysp : Sydney Airport traffic down 4.1pc MACQUARIE Airports (map.ASX:Quote,News) says passenger traffic fell across its portfolio of airports again in June,
30 Post contains images QF175 : Qantas.com has been relaunched Cheers
31 Pilotdude09 : With DPS and DJ. Another HUGE market is residents of the North West. Currently alot of people fly with Skywest out of Port Hedland on Saturdays but be
32 Gardermoen : I'm surprised none of the low costs, like Air Asia or Pacific Blue have had a look at Surabaya-Perth flights. These should be really popular with the
33 BNE : Where is the don't like button. I guess it will take a bit of getting used too. Qantas had a nice special to Australia after Australia lost the Ashes
34 HKGKaiTak : Interesting proposition but could it really sustain a once-per-week rotation year round? I know QF serves KTA 6-times daily + DJ 2x (?) daily so ther
35 Sparklehorse12 : I find it interesting that DJ are announcing routes considering they are in a fairly bad state. One must start to think V Aus is a disaster, more than
36 Pilotdude09 : Yeah i think that would work better. PER-KTA is serviced by Qantas 7x a day most days and 5 of those are 738's and the other 2 are 717's PER-BNE is i
37 Jbernie : There was an article in the SMH a week or so back about Delta & V.Australia trying to get cozy but IIRC getting som indications of not being allowed
38 The Coachman : DL doesn't have F class, and nor does VA. Nor does DL they have W class; this may be problematic. I don't see a partial exit of either. It'll be all-
39 Thegeek : V Aus seemed like a pretty good idea at the time, though. DJ have made a few mistakes in the past few years, like premium economy, and IFE which is n
40 Pewpew320 : Has anyone been watching Airways? It's rather amusing how silly some of the passengers are but I feel sorry for them too, Tiger have some ridiculous r
41 Allrite : Just got through the first two episodes tonight. I bet Tiger are wishing that they hadn't agreed to it. I'm sure that their situation (and some of th
42 ANstar : Not really fading into oblivion... they seem to be growing their pax figures whilst QF declines... Whats better... QF pax slipping to DJ and the real
43 TN486 : [quote=Sparklehorse12,reply=35] Hello there Sparklehorse, where HAVE you been, good to hear from you
44 DJMEL : Excess Baggage charges at DJ have risen to $10 per kilo over the 23 kilo paid baggage fee of $8 on-line and $20 at the airport. This happened 3-4 week
45 Post contains links Aussieindc : Hi all, Just looking at the top pics and saw this one of 2 x A380's for QF. I thought that all the tails were painted prior to assembly? In this pic,
46 ANstar : Hmmm great spot! Fingers crossed it is s aspcecial livery
47 Ditzyboy : The original domestic 332 aircraft were lower MTOW, with de-rated engines. They changed from -201 to -202s upon transfer to Jetstar.
48 ANstar : For those interested, V Australia's newest 777-300er VH-VPF is due to arrive on our shores in approx 2 weeks.
49 Pewpew320 : 10% off NZ tickets departing Australia When booking online simply enter the promo code below. Promo Code: THANKS10 Sales period 23 Jul 09 - 31 Aug 09
50 Vhqpa : Just my luck I had to book last week didn't I Vhq.
51 TN486 : speculate Nalanji Dreaming? - to replace the scheme painted on VH-EBU (747-300 stripped at Avalon some time ago)
52 747m8te : Oh that be nice, would look wonderful on the A380...or do you think they might come up with a completely new scheme???
53 Jbernie : Well they might need to adjust it to handle the different shape/size of the A380.
54 Post contains links Bjwonline : Was just having a look at the Monthly Airline Activity Data at: http://www.bitre.gov.au/info.aspx?ResourceId=211&NodeId=103 I could not find Viva Maca
55 TN486 : I just think it would be great to have an A380 decked out in an aboriginal theme, or possibly an "I call Australia Home" theme (maybe some images fro
56 Allrite : Decked out like a Peter Allen shirt?
57 ETA Unknown : Maybe Viva Macau operates Sydney as a scheduled charter service and that's why the figures aren't there. Or else nobody in the Australian Bureau of St
58 Skyhigh : " target=_blank>http://www.bitre.gov.au/info.aspx?Re...d=103 Looking at Austral's dire numbers doesn't give it much hope of being around too much lon
59 Post contains links ETA Unknown : The travel agents all have access to the Air Austral's fares. I haven't seen any marketing either, but one can debate whether this is really necessary
60 Pewpew320 : i think in addition their prices aren't that good either, last I checked it was around $1900 return from SYD - CDG whereas other airlines can fly you
61 Post contains links Allrite : Brett Godfrey is to step down as CEO of Virgin Blue next year and the airline is issuing shares to raise $231 million to maintain their capital positi
62 ANstar : I presume he will handover at the 10th Birthday or sometime around then.... The capital raising will also see their cash back up over $700M which mea
63 ETA Unknown : Remember two things about Air Austral in Sydney: a) those fares above were issued before the massive discounting took place in the market b) the aircr
64 Boof : According to the Herald Sun the domestic operations will make a $25-30 million profit. That is a great effort given the pressure they have been under
65 ANstar : I agree... most of the loss is to dow with VA startup (not ops) and hedging losses. Something that won't be in next years figures... and with DJ stil
66 Post contains links ETA Unknown : This aint good... today's SMH business section: http://business.smh.com.au/business/...estricts-virgin-20090726-dxj9.html
67 Travelhound : We don't know when they have to retire debt, so we can't take to much from the $700m number. VBA have been booking start up costs on V Australia for
68 ANstar : I owuld expect them to gradually be able to fill more seats and get a slightly better yield once thir product is more widely known & tied into things
69 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,28124,25841698-23349,00.html A CORRODED axle is being blamed for a nosewheel coming off a Virgin Blue pla
70 Jetfuel : QF now charging for exit row seating. Cough up the $$$$ or more FF points
71 The Coachman : Well, DL's marketing machine seems to be in full swing. Ads now appearing on the side of Sydney buses covering the entire body of the bus advertising
72 ANstar : VA have a huge billboard on top of the car park at Sydney airport. Their TVC is also playing on Channel 7. They have ads nearly daily in the major new
73 Allrite : The article states that V Aust made a mistake ordering 777's with rear cargo doors too small for freight on palettes, thus losing them potential frei
74 AirbusA322 : With regards to Airline advertising, has anyone seen all the Tiger Airways display's all over the place at Sydney Domestic at the moment, you cant mis
75 The Coachman : I still consider that VA bought the wrong aircraft for the route though it was not to know when the GFC was going to hit. The 77W is a fine aircraft t
76 ANstar : Probably for the routes they were bought they cant really take all that much freight anyways with a full pax load.
77 VH-BZF : Ansett unfortunately did the same with their first 5 B767-200's and they admitted that this was a big mistake. It appears that the silly boffins who
78 ANstar : They also ordered them with a 3 person cockpit which IMHO was an even bigger mistake. As for tyhe cargo door, the first 777 was leased anyways so I a
79 AirbusA322 : JQ to launch a horribly timed SYD-PER-SYD service from October 2. Announcement today.
80 Boof : It was an expensive mistake but at the time it was one that they had to make. The pilot union was protecting the jobs of the FE's at the time and thr
81 Jbernie : I will go on and ask, how much of a cost difference is there between little door & big door? Did V.Aust. take on the orders of other airlines who gav
82 Alangirvan : My memory was that 767s (and 757s) were originally designed as three crew and it was a late decision by Boeing to make them two crew cockpit. I think
83 ANstar : DEP SYD at 8PM and arr at 10pm then return 10.50pm-6.05am Not that bad... an 8pm dep from SYD is ok and the redeyes will alwyas have some clientele t
84 AirbusA322 : Marching onto routes that QF are less profitable obviously. Just like CNS-PER, but would they ever launch say a 5pm SYD-PER, PER-SYD service in both
85 Boof : Yeah that was correct it was originally going to be a 3 man cockpit in the 757 & 767 but late in the program Boeing changed it to 2 crew. The unions
86 ETA Unknown : The SMH article also says Hawaiian has the same problem with their 767's, but I thought the cargo door issue only related to the 3 ex LTU aircraft tha
87 Alangirvan : When Tiger decided to start with three times daily on MEL-SYD, that did not matter too much. With Tiger going up to nine times daily, that does matte
88 6thfreedom : This has been changed. Apparently if you miss your flight or want to change, you will simply pay a flat fee rather than lose your ticket. I can't fin
89 TN486 : just tried to book JQ SYD - PER from the promotional link onthe JQ home page and the booking facility comes up in an Asian language format - goes with
90 AirbusA322 : All you need to pay now is a $70 fee and you are on the next flight...that's it, no fare difference or anything else. Although it has to be on the sa
91 Ben175 : I'm waiting for the day JQ brings a 332 to Perth. But good news to have some competition on PER-SYD!
92 Post contains links TruemanQLD : http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...7/30/business/4415816&sec=business After being denied SYD and ICN, Air Asia X will now add extra capacity to it
93 Post contains links Smi0006 : Not sure if it has been mentioned on here CZ is to go to three weekly from MEL to CAN adding a Saturday service it shall depart slightly earlier then
94 ANstar : Wasn;t this the one orginally due in April or May??
95 Kiwiandrew : depends what you mean by 'originally due ' , I am sure that when QF announced their order in November 2000 they expected their 4th one a lot sooner .
96 Post contains links PITrules : Qantas freight to add DFW; 1x weekly starting Aug 6 "The service will connect Shanghai, China to Dallas Forth Worth via. Chicago, using a Boeing 747-4
97 ANstar : Lol So have they received any this year? How many are the likely to get in 2009 now? 3?
98 Jbernie : I am assuming it will stop in LAX on the way for some fuel?
99 PITrules : I believe all the freighters stop in HNL for fuel so they can maximize cargo payload. It may stop in LAX as well to add additional cargo/fuel. It sai
100 Post contains links PITrules : Updated master plan for Hobart: http://www.hobartairpt.com.au/images...minary%20Draft%20Master%20Plan.pdf This will cost over A$1 billion? Interesting
101 Jbernie : thanks, I knew for sure they weren't doing it non stop but was thinking LAX wouldbe logical but then they could potentially go through HNL or AKL or
102 Allrite : There are, apparently, quite a few Malaysians and other Asians studying at the University of Tasmania, so maybe it could be an occasional AirAsiaX de
103 AirbusA322 : I think a Virgin Blue codeshare connection would be more appropriate, I think there is a connection with AirAsia X and a Virgin Blue investor somewhe
104 ANstar : Virgin Group owns something like 25% in each carrier.
105 DJ748 : I've seen various sources that show that SRB has a 20% stake in AAX, and 25.5% of DJ.
106 Thegeek : No point in stopping at LAX unless you also stop at NAN. HNL-SYD is longer than DFW-HNL. Perhaps by direct they mean that no cargo will be on or off
107 LAXintl : Freighters are operated by Atlas Air, which can mix/match crews between all its other flying.
108 PITrules : Sure there is, to combine loads and increase frequency from LAX if necessary. NAN is no LAX in the cargo market, but if it were, a stop in NAN would
109 Post contains links DJ748 : QFlink announced a new route on Friday last week - BNE to Moranbah. Starting the route after Macair collapsed a few months back. 5x weekly to start wi
110 Boof : Living here all my life and flying in and out of HBA all the time, I waited until I had a chance to flick through the report before commenting on the
111 Alangirvan : Air Asia have pointed out that they do not do connections, but many of their passengers do their own connections. Usually (famous last words) this wi
112 TN486 : I agree with you Boof, each time I deplane in HBA, it reminds me of the days of MEB, and the shrill sound of those F27 props as one enplaned onto an
113 Post contains links and images TN486 : Many thanks to kiwiandrew for the assistance, here we go, see if this works: View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter F Hough
114 The Coachman : DL advertising SYD-LAX with Hollywood themed posters adorning a lot of the pillars at Wynyard station in Sydney. They seem to be everywhere, pretty ha
115 ANstar : They have them up at the airport tooo.... what was funny is the way the widget is positioned it looks like a V - I had to double take to see it wasnt
116 Thegeek : Unless you had 8th freedom rights for freight, you'd have to be consistently leaving DFW only part full to take on freight at LAX. Possible, but not
117 PITrules : The flight will operate ORD-DFW-HNL-SYD, so yes there will be no LAX stop. However, the "not exactly good business" argument doesn't hold water, beca
118 Thegeek : Yes, I wonder why? Could be that there is PVG-DFW freight to be combined with ORD-SYD freight for that leg. I wouldn't think that PVG-LAX freight wou
119 PITrules : I think you cracked the code on this one. They also have some flights which operate ORD-TOL-HNL-SYD. That's another strange one, as QF Freight's webs
120 LeonJunior : Does Airasia X have the right to operate between Australia and New Zealand just like what Emirates does? Hard to get approval from both the governmen
121 DJMEL : Welcome Back TK - THY Turkish Airlines and hopefully landing in MEL in 2011.
122 Gemuser : Airlines don't have rights between countries, national governments do and can assign them to airlines as they see fit. Malaysia has right across the
123 ETA Unknown : I think that might only apply if one nation's carrier was using all their frequencies as per the bilateral agreements between the countries concerned.
124 Post contains links Allrite : Alan Joyce (CEO, Qantas) believes that ‘‘time is absolutely not right’’ for airlines mergers in the Asia Pacific. The Sydney Morning Herald
125 LeonJunior : Airasia X is adding another 4 weekly flights to MEL start from 1st Dec. So the total is 11 flights weekly. Anyone know how their loads been on MEL rou
126 Smi0006 : Will be interesting to see what happens to MH on this route now, it was an interesting move on their behalf routing some of their frequencies via CGK
127 ANstar : I presume they have been doing ok if they are adding services... after reading some of the trip reports and seeing pics it looks like a good product
128 LeonJunior : Yea, Definitely agree with this. Just booked for my annual trip home to Kuala Lumpur from January to end of February only cost me NZD600 total (inclu
129 TruemanQLD : Walked through CS-TMT Strategic Airs A330 at the Aviation Careers Expo in Brisbane today and the aircraft looks pretty nice. I know it recently operat
130 Vhqpa : I just flew QF BNE-CBR last night is it just me or is the 73H a lot more cramped then a 734. I was sitting in a middle seat and I could barely move at
131 Alangirvan : Is the A330 just going to hang around waiting for the ADF to charter it, or will it do any other work? Maybe a back up aircraft for Jetstar? Looks li
132 Smi0006 : I saw it take-off from MEL a couple of weeks ago early in the mornign no idea where it had come from or where it was going, can anyone shed some ligh
133 Thegeek : I think it's just you. I don't like flying in 737s because of the chance of getting a middle seat. Otherwise, it's not too bad roomwise whether it's
134 BNE : You are correct; the 734 has more leg room than the 73H, not by alot; and Qantas are going to tell you they are the same but they aren't.
135 ANstar : DJ are increasing SYD-DPS to 3 x weeklt from the beginning of OCT. The new service will ops on Tuesdays.
136 ZK-NBT : Thai have made some changes to their Australian schedules effective October 25th with new flight numbers for BNE, MEL, SYD and some PER flights. BNE w
137 Alangirvan : This shows the disadvantage that the Sydney curfew causes airline scheduling. MEL and BNE can have flights that leave about 0100 and get into an Asia
138 Bjwonline : This is great news that SYD is again getting FIRST from TG. Also the TG A346 will be a spotters delight!
139 QFBA : 1AM DEPARTURES AND 22.00 ARRIVALS ONLY SUIT METRO RESIDENT WHO DONT HAVE GREAT DISTANCE TO TRAVEL HOME OR THE NEED TO MAKE CONNECTIONS. ANYONE NORTH O
140 Kiwiandrew : you seem to have left your 'caps lock' on by mistake , perhaps you might like to go back and edit your post so that you dont seem to be shouting at e
141 Sparklehorse12 : Hi TN I have been very busy indeed. I don't get enough time to read A.Net which bums me out. I have made my way into aviation as a career now so I am
142 Post contains links and images QF175 : Interesting I wonder if Palmerston North is still in their sights? Given Pacific Wings has been granted capacity to operate Noumea services by the IAS
143 Post contains links TruemanQLD : http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...14/107985_gold-coast-business.html Discussion between OOL and EK. Although I dont see it happening soon, there
144 NZ107 : It'd be interesting to see how they go up against NZ on the ROT-SYD route.
145 TN486 : QF175, please forgive the ignorance, but who, why, what is Pacific Wings?? The only one I could find on search is a charter airline in the Hawaiian Is
146 TN486 : re the previous post, can anyone give me some info on Pacific Wings please, I did not mean to just pose the Q to just QF175.
147 Post contains links Macilree : As announced in 1998, the New Zealand-Malaysia Air Services Agreement is an "open skies" one so from a New Zealand perspective there are open fifth f
148 Post contains links ANstar : http://www.pacificwings.com.au I believe the will be using the aircraft of OUR AIRLINE.. similar to the relationship ON have with Norfolk Air.... Our
149 TN486 : Thank you, it now all makes sense to me, cheers.
150 TN486 : Can anyone throw any light on the referred to debt allegedly owed to the airports authority?
151 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Shame on Qantas NEXT time you thrust your boarding pass into the hands of a bedraggled Qantas flight attendant, take a second to smile and say: "It's
152 Gemuser : Thereby making the number the same as most airlines worldwide. I have NEVER seen a reasonable argument as to why this "safety requirement" has to be
153 Jbernie : Maybe 9 & 60 minutes have been improved over the last 10 years... but I tend not to regard them that highly anymore. Good god, i hope they are better
154 ANstar : And why should AUS be able to fly with 1:50 as most of the world currently do?
155 Flyjetstar : I guess that is the problem with the change. We've had it quite good and now we see it changing and assume - rightly or wrongly - that as pax we'll b
156 Post contains links QF175 : Source Now if only services could be extended to Sydney and/or Brisbane!
157 Post contains links QF175 : Pacific Flier http://www.pacificflier.com/ Last I heard they were planning on flying Brisbane - Guam/Palau - Manila/Tokyo with A310s (possibly the rec
158 6thfreedom : VA to announce MEL-HKT and MEL-JNB today, and delayed launch of MEL-LAX.
159 Ben175 : Is MEL-JNB direct or does it stop in PER?
160 Post contains links Boof : There is a link here from the Herald Sun: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25939729-5014090,00.html This is a very interesting story if co
161 AirbusA322 : Why such last minute decisions, less than a month out, nothing but a joke VA. MEL-HKT 1 per week is probably better than nothing, but I think making
162 Aussie747 : Been involved in the set up for quite some time now. Just a few things to organise and we will be up and running. AOC and regulatory approvals all gr
163 DJMEL : V Australia's New Routes and Launch Dates are as follows: Brisbane to Phuket, Thailand direct twice weekly from 22 November 2009. Melbourne to Phuket,
164 QF175 : Good stuff Aussie747. I look forward to hearing from you further. I gather when you're ready, you'll provide more details about schedules, fares and
165 AirbusA322 : Pacific Blue to announce new Perth-HKT direct service today
166 Ben175 : ^^ Great news! I wonder how TG are going to react.
167 AirbusA322 : I take that back, the details were on their homepage this morning, now they have vanished! It said Direct Flights with PB from $299, but mabye someone
168 6thfreedom : It's still on the homepage, but can't be accessed or booked. frequency? schedule?
169 QF175 : 4x weekly one would imagine (given they applied for daily Australia - Phuket services and BNE/MEL-HKT will consume 3 of those frequencies). Cheers
170 Post contains links DJ748 : It appears QF could be making an announcement today about their 787 order. Here's a link to an interesting article I can across, about how QF decided
171 Post contains links Tayser : http://business.theage.com.au/busine...ver-three-years-20090819-epj7.html QF announced their results today.
172 AirbusA322 : JQ to launch MEL-SYD 5xDaily on 25th October according to the report. I presume they will be all leisure based times.
173 Post contains links Allrite : According to a Qantas media Release today (up on the ASX, not yet the QF website) they will lease another 4 A332s for six years to allow for JQ's lon
174 Post contains links Jbernie : Nothing yet... they have announced a $1.5bln cost cutting plan over 3 years http://business.smh.com.au/business/...ver-three-years-20090819-epky.html
175 DJ748 : All I know is the information in the report I posted the link to. If the 787 order is indeed cancelled and 777's are taken up, it would be a huge blo
176 Thegeek : What a balanced opinion! Once QF ordered the 744ER it was too late for the 777. Was this a mistake? Probably. But it wasn't as stupid as flying the A
177 Allrite : I fail to understand why Qantas would need to wait to make an announcement that they were replacing part of a 787 order with a 777 order. Boeing's sh
178 Ditzyboy : Can you provide any support for your continued argument that the use of domestic-configured 332s is 'stupid', given the lack of suitable alternatives
179 Aussie_ : PER-HKT is now for sale on the Pacific Blue website. It looks like the plane stays overnight in HKT before returning to PER. Maybe this works better i
180 Thegeek : It is as compared to A333s. For nearly identical trip costs you can have higher capacity in both pax AND freight. The advantage of the A332 is range.
181 Post contains links QF744 : DJ748 you are quoting comments made on a blog that - it appears - are not at all credible. This is what the Crikey blog says: "There are whispers. Som
182 DJ748 : No offense, but I wasn't saying I was believing them - see my quote below. I know enough not to believe every single bit of information before it is
183 TruemanQLD : Qantas choosing not to go with the 777 may not have been a bad mistake. QF has not 'reached' out to every possible destination like other airlines but
184 ANstar : Stay tuned for more HKT info and lets not forget they also have rights to fly DPS-HKT.....
185 DJ748 : No wonder the HKT arrival and departure times looked so odd - on ground for 22 hours. Speculation would intimate that they plan on flying onwards to
186 Jbernie : Well if there was an announcement coming and they didn't do it during the meeting earlier in the day then the only other time they would likely do it
187 6thfreedom : what are you suggesting? HKT 1640 DPS 2130 >> connections to overnight DPS-Australia services DPS 2230
188 Post contains links Allrite : Last night's 7:30 Report on ABC TV had an interesting piece on the Australian aviation market including interviews with Alan Joyce and Brett Godfrey.
189 ETA Unknown : Flying Jetstar is bad enough (I'm 6 feet tall... I'll do SYD-BNE/MEL that's it)- don't even want to contemplate a Tiger!
190 747m8te : Ive flown Tiger a couple of times and im 2m tall, no different to Jetstar really, my knees just jam into the seat in front all the same lol.
191 Smi0006 : Interesting not sure if it has been noted already I think the JQ have a launch sale for PER-HKT via SIN, there is no press release that is this a new
192 VHSMM : While I don't doubt that Qantas, like all airlines, is going through some troubled times, perhaps Mr Joyce was doing some strategic positioning befor
193 Post contains links Aussieindc : Hi all, I was just looking at the pictures from a link regarding the first LH A380. http://a380production.com/2009/08/11-4/ The QF bird (MSN050) is st
194 Rsg85 : With the red around the horizontal stab i would say its going to still be a standard tail. Weather its going to be a special or not, the other qantas
195 Aussieindc : Yes, this is true. However I was of the belief that the tails were painted prior to assembly which made me wonder...... I'll just have to wait and se
196 Post contains links QF175 : http://www.kuam.com/bm/news/mbj-paci...-fly-new-airbus-routes.shtml?15504 Not the best frequency, but it's a start! Cheers
197 Vhqpa : I flew on a Qlink 717 last friday and to my surprise the crew were all wearing the newer grey mainline uniforms introduced late last year rather then
198 Ditzyboy : From last month the ochre scarf/tie/dress with black suit is worn only by First Hosts at SYD and MEL International Terminals as well as overseas port
199 QF175 : I had heard a 07:30L departure on Saturday or Sunday ex-Brisbane. I was also informed that BNE would be linked with ROR, however given the abovementi
200 Post contains links Sydscott : I posted in the other JQ thread, but an FYI for those interested that Alan Joyce was on inside business this morning. Some quick notes I made when he
201 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 30
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