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User currently offlineAndyinPIT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

When did DL start mainline service to PWM? Is it a seasonal thing? I just noticed it today and was curious

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User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Looks like it started Jul 1st. 6x weekly M88 service from ATL.
DL1064 Departs ATL 1229 arrives 1500
DL1003 Departs PWM 1540 arrives 1834

DL schedule is showing it all the way through December.

Kinda reminds me of CLE... I was looking up schedules in and out of there. Every flight is an RJ except the once daily flight to SLC. And every flight out of PWM is and RJ except that one flight.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

They cancelled mainline service in 2005 after years, but returned in 2008 with a daily MD-88 to ATL. Its year-round.

FL just started seasonal service last month from ATL too, which leads me to wonder if the market is big enough for both, and if not who will bleed who to death.


User currently offlineAndyinPIT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Well I hope it stays. Then I'll have some big planes to talk to come September  Wink

User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3448 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
FL just started seasonal service last month from ATL too, which leads me to wonder if the market is big enough for both, and if not who will bleed who to death.

DL has a lot of available assets right now. Remember it's not coincidence for DL to deploy a mainline aircraft into a market served by FL. When was the last time PWM had mainline service from ATL?

This practice goes back to the ValuJet days.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3368 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 4):
Remember it's not coincidence for DL to deploy a mainline aircraft into a market served by FL. When was the last time PWM had mainline service from ATL?

2005. And DL started mainline again last year before FL did last month.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3349 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 5):
2005. And DL started mainline again last year before FL did last month.

OK, as you know DL has abandon a lot of mainline flying to a number of NE cities. DL MO has been to throw larger aircraft at markets FL served.

In 2005, was the mainline discontinued from ATL or CVG?


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

The flight back in 2005 was from ATL.

User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

OK if PMW got Mainline back, when is PVD going to see some MD88 action to ATL??? Anyone?

User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 6):
In 2005, was the mainline discontinued from ATL or CVG?

Both to CVG, and ATL.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
The flight back in 2005 was from ATL.

There were two daily MD-88's to ATL, and three MD-88's to CVG, each day from PWM prior to 2005.

There was also a 1 per day PWM-ALB-ATL on 727's from PWM until fall of 1999.


User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):
OK if PMW got Mainline back, when is PVD going to see some MD88 action to ATL??? Anyone?

Either when a competitor starts the route with mainline sized aircraft, or DL is confident there are enough daily passengers to upgrade, or both?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3288 times:



Quoting AndyinPIT (Thread starter):
When did DL start mainline service to PWM?

I guess you're talking in the recent times...?? When I moved to Maine in 1983 DAL had 727 and 757 daily service to BOS...and I think even a MD-80 to ATL and CVG....followed by a ton of BEX SF-340's to LGA and BOS.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3272 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
I guess you're talking in the recent times...?? When I moved to Maine in 1983 DAL had 727 and 757 daily service to BOS...and I think even a MD-80 to ATL and CVG....followed by a ton of BEX SF-340's to LGA and BOS.

Yeah, I misinterpreted the original post for a second as well. I thought he meant, when did DL start service to PWM?

That would have been between 1973-75, after DL acquired Northeast Airline's, which was serving Portland prior to this time. They started with DC-9's and 727's to BOS, BGR, and PQI. I guess hell will freeze over before PQI ever seen mainline DL service again!

And as a side note to you EMBQA, prior to 1995 the MD-88's hadn't arrived at PWM yet. It was DC-9's, 727's, 757's, and 737-200's. And BEX had B-1900's, Shorts 360's, and BAE Avro jets.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3233 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 12):

Shoot, at one time DAL had a Line Maintenance Base at PWM



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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):
OK if PMW got Mainline back, when is PVD going to see some MD88 action to ATL??? Anyone?

When FL opens PVD-ATL. That's about it.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3096 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):
OK if PMW got Mainline back, when is PVD going to see some MD88 action to ATL??? Anyone?

Should be in the schedule the Saturday after AirTran announces PVD-ATL..


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3059 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):
Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):
OK if PMW got Mainline back, when is PVD going to see some MD88 action to ATL??? Anyone?

Should be in the schedule the Saturday after AirTran announces PVD-ATL..

Is Airtran actually planning to start service to PVD?


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2881 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
They cancelled mainline service in 2005 after years, but returned in 2008 with a daily MD-88 to ATL. Its year-round.

The service likely won't be year-round. Last year, the MD-88s came back mid-fall, scheduled year-round. By late December the service was back to 3x CRJ-700s. I was on a flight in January which was originally sold as an MD-88. It turns out the flight had been oversold by 15 seats, and 15 lucky passengers were getting $200 Delta Dollars and a cab ride down to Boston.

It seems like the consensus here is that DL is running mainline only to compete with AirTran. Personally, I think DL couldn't care less about AirTran's competition in Portland. For the first two years of AirTran service here, DL did nothing by cut service back. Last fall saw the return of mainline flights with DL, and it wasn't 'till this Spring that AirTran started their Atlanta route. Delta and AirTran seem to be serving two completely different types of traveler. Almost all of AirTran's passengers terminate in Baltimore or in Florida, whereas Delta's passengers connect to...everywhere else.

There is certainly competition between the two carriers, but certainly not the cut-throat rivalry that occurs at other small airports.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2861 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 16):
Is Airtran actually planning to start service to PVD?

According to folks I know at the various airlines/consultants etc its in their top 10 cities they know they need to be in, possibly the top 5, but aside from the MCO only stuff, they havent really been opening new cities.

As for MD88s into PVD... with the merger, its now more realistic to see a mainline back since now they wont have to jump from a CR7 to an MD88 (100% increase) but rather DC9s and A319s which have a smaller capacity. The first step towards regaining mainline for PVD will be when CR9s start showing up with their 12 F seats.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 17):
. Almost all of AirTran's passengers terminate in Baltimore or in Florida, whereas Delta's passengers connect to...everywhere else.

I worked two years as a ramp agent/bag handler at the PWM station for Delta when there was multiple mainline flights and a Delta staff office. I can confirm that on any given day, between 50-60% of the bags handled were going to Florida destinations! Even higher on some days during winter season.


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

I wonder how much of that business has leaked to B6 and FL from the legacies, especially DL. That said, I would assume that PWM has recaptured a lot of the Southern Maine MHT-Florida traffic that went to WN.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2762 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):

And ALB? ALB & PVD have to be high on that list. PVD was served by 757s in the past and ALB by 738s. Come on DL and FL!!



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2687 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 14):
When FL opens PVD-ATL. That's about it.

There's something more to it than that. BDL - also not a FL city - sees nothing but mainline to ATL. I guess there's more business traffic at BDL; the locations and market sizes are similar.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Is there any evidence that in going only RJ airlines shoot themselves in the foot a bit. Meaning in a case like PVD are people not flying DL because of the lack of mainline service? I know in my case I can do either BDL or PVD. I go BDL on DL because of the availability of mainline aricraft.

User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2573 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
I guess there's more business traffic at BDL; the locations and market sizes are similar.

BDL moved 6.5M passengers in 2007 compared to PVD moving 5.7M in 2005. These were the only number I can produce while listening in to a boring conference call. PVD shares it catchment area with BOS.

DL has had a significant presence in BDL for years.


25 MSYtristar : I don't think you'll see FL in PVD anytime soon. The same holds true for the return of DL mainline. The combined DL/NW will still offer some mainline
26 DLMD90 : This raises a good point, I know for me, I can go either PVD or BOS I now only do BOS, because I am medallion member, so why should I sit in a crampe
27 RL757PVD : This is primarily only the case if you are loyal loyal DL or in the shared catchment area, much of PVD's catchment area prefers not to use BOS if at
28 PWMRamper : I enjoy seeing the MD-88's at PWM. Any mainline is a pleasure to see there, with all the express aircraft there's hardly ever anything besides the FL
29 Flyer62 : PWM has more mainline service than just Airtran,717s, Airtran is now using there B-737s from PWm to MCO and BWI and jetblue is using A320s on most of
30 PWMRamper : I know, and maybe mainline was the wrong word... The vast majority of aircraft there are RJ's. On the RONs we have... 2 UA RJ700s 1 CO Q400 1 FL B717
31 RL757PVD : Thats pretty much the way things are going, much like europe....the low cost airlines fly the larger planes domestically, but the legacies have their
32 Blink182 : Question about DFW service--could it be done with an RJ? I personally would benefit immensely from such a flight but refuse to do five hours on anythi
33 PWMRamper : Ha, you're telling me about Gate 2 ABC getting crowded. I hate boarding flights up when CO's boarding at the same time. ESPECIALLY on Sundays. It's a
34 Cubsrule : The problem with MIA is the same as with DFW: the ERJ doesn't have the range, and AA doesn't have the CR7 lift. That makes the market dynamics all bu
35 Panam330 : That and AA does not operate the CRJ to Miami. The smallest aircraft they could use would be a 738, which is far too large unless it's a peak travel
36 Panam330 : Since I can't edit my above post, I'll add that the 738 is the smallest aircraft with range they can use.
37 ChrisNH : What's the instrumentation like on the main runway at PWM? Is it CAT III?
38 PWMRamper : I actually have never heard what the instrumentation is at PWM. All I know is the runway's only 7200 feet.
39 KPWMSpotter : ILS to Runway 11 is CAT III, although Runway 29 is only CAT I. The ILS system was upgraded just a few years ago, mostly driven by FedEx's demands. (t
40 SWABrian : When I worked for DL, I saw a job opening posted for PQI. One of the requirements to work there was that you had to be an accredited weather observer
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