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RIP Delta Domestic 767-400ER (2000-2009)  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18907 times:

Well, the era of DL's domestic 767-400ER has come to an end. The last 764ER in domestic configuration (N834MH) has been sent to HKG to get the international mods.

When the 764ER first entered service with DL in 2000, DL was very profitable flying these aircraft on ATL-Florida flights. However, after 9/11, yields began to crash on those routes due to increase competition by LCCs. It soon became clear that this strategy was failing, and DL realized that these aircraft are better utilized on more profitable international routes. With the 764ER's amazing CASM, it allowed DL to fly some upper-tier European routes more profitably than with the 763ER.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18850 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Well, the era of DL's domestic 767-400ER has come to an end. The last 764ER in domestic configuration (N834MH) has been sent to HKG to get the international mods.

But DL will still operate the type right? If so, it is hardly a RIP thing you got going here. I fail to see your point. It might only be just an interior modification.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18826 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
But DL will still operate the type right? If so, it is hardly a RIP thing you got going here. I fail to see your point. It might only be just an interior modification.

Yes, but not on domestic routes anymore. They will now mostly fly to Europe and South America.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18793 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Yes, but not on domestic routes anymore. They will now mostly fly to Europe and South America.

Then it is not a RIP. The 764ER's are not going anywhere.

Edit add: I think you need to change your thread title because it sounds like the 764ER's are leaving the DL fleet.

[Edited 2009-07-14 15:12:40]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18766 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
Then it is not a RIP. The 764ER's are not going anywhere

Well, RIP to the domestic configuration then.



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18765 times:

We could see them return to the domestic market when DL parks the 744's. The ATL-HNL-ATL run would probably see the return to domestic service but with the international configuration.


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User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18693 times:

What sort of mod/s are done to make them "international"?
Are there new seats / IFE?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18658 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 6):
What sort of mod/s are done to make them "international"?
Are there new seats / IFE?

Yes, BusinessElite seating and AVOD in both BusinessElite and Y. The most recently reconfigured aircraft have the new Thompson Vantage flat-bed seats in BusinessElite, with plans to eventually install them on the rest of the 767-400ER (and 767-300ER) fleet.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18658 times:

The Domestic configuration was so cramped in first, this plane will be so much better with it's new intl configuration and on it's long haul routes! It's a win/win for the 764 and DL !!

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18408 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 8):
The Domestic configuration was so cramped in first, this plane will be so much better with it's new intl configuration and on it's long haul routes! It's a win/win for the 764 and DL !!

Of course, don't forget about AVOD in both J and Y.



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User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18143 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
But DL will still operate the type right? If so, it is hardly a RIP thing you got going here. I fail to see your point. It might only be just an interior modification.

Yes it's an interior modification, but it's also death to the Delta that many of us will always miss... The Delta of the mid to late 90s when they ruled Florida with a fleet of wide bodies on a shuttle schedule from Atlanta... Plus pick any ATL-West coast flight, and over half scheduled were 767s, L-1011s, and the occasional MD-11. This was DL's most profitable time, but the industry changed and these big planes can't make the same money they used to.

The 764 was a terribly configured plane for domestic ops, yet it's a plane that will be missed on the domestic routes. The plane has moved onto bigger and better things, and ultimately a better fate than ferrying kids to Florida. It's just a role that many will miss.

I'll always remember the time I flew with six friends to Costa Rica. We flew SLC-ATL on the 764, and a few of my friends that were die hard WN fans couldn't believe the size and comfort of the 764 (even though that baby was packed full with 285 passengers). It brought a smile to my face...lol.



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User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18070 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
with plans to eventually install them on the rest of the 767-400ER (and 767-300ER) fleet.

Cool - is there a timeline for the rest of the 767s?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17951 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 11):
Cool - is there a timeline for the rest of the 767s?

I'm guessing the mods will start in 2010, although nothing official has been announced. Also, the domestic 763s will remain in domestic configuration.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17837 times:

The 764 had the most seats of any type for DL, eclipsing the 777 if I am not mistaken. Will this still be the case when they revert to international ops?

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 10):
Yes it's an interior modification, but it's also death to the Delta that many of us will always miss... The Delta of the mid to late 90s when they ruled Florida with a fleet of wide bodies on a shuttle schedule from Atlanta...

Hard to believe that the time you speak of was coming to a close ten years ago now. It was less than that, of course, that we could watch L-1011s gracefully takeoff into the ATL skies but those days are all gone forever and in the rearview mirror now.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17649 times:



Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 10):
Yes, BusinessElite seating and AVOD in both BusinessElite and Y. The most recently reconfigured aircraft have the new Thompson Vantage flat-bed seats in BusinessElite, with plans to eventually install them on the rest of the 767-400ER (and 767-300ER) fleet.



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 11):
Cool - is there a timeline for the rest of the 767s?



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
I'm guessing the mods will start in 2010, although nothing official has been announced. Also, the domestic 763s will remain in domestic configuration.

They are currently being test run. From reviews i've read on various sites, I believe there will be a rework on the seats. The chief complaint i've seen is that the seat is too narrow which I can actually understand. I've seen a few photos. This becomes an even greater problem when in full sleep or rather anything past the "modified sleep" mode. Can't really move around or do anything.

Again, just my opinion but I think they will re-do the seat. That was the whole point of the customer testing.

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 10):

Yes! I remember several years ago, I was flying by myself out of FLL trying to get back to ATL. Every single flight was full and I couldn't get on. This was back when non-ticketed passengers could go to the gate because I remember my brother in law running with me to make it to the gate. Well, we went back to my sister's house to try in the morning on the 0530 flight. She lived about 10 minutes away but then my Mom called (was and still works for DL) and said she checked the last flight and I should get so we rushed back down to the airport and I got on and up front too. I got to sit in the captain's seat (I was young Big grin ) and it was also the first time I flew on the 764.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 17604 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
The 764 had the most seats of any type for DL, eclipsing the 777 if I am not mistaken. Will this still be the case when they revert to international ops?

Nope, the international 764ERs either have 242 seats (42J/200Y with recliners in J) or 246 seats (40J/206Y with Thompson Vantage flat-bed seats in J). Both are less than the 772ER with 268 seats (50J/218Y) and the 772LR with 276 seats (43J/233Y with Contour Premium Solar Suites in J and Weber 5751 slimline seats in Y). In fact, they now hold less than the domestic 763s with 262 passengers (24F/238Y).



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16944 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 14):
The chief complaint i've seen is that the seat is too narrow which I can actually understand. I've seen a few photos. This becomes an even greater problem when in full sleep or rather anything past the "modified sleep" mode. Can't really move around or do anything.

I've tried the new flat bed seats on JFK-LHR and the sitting position is actually quite comfortable - seat is wider (or at least feels wider) than the existing BusinessElite seats on the 763ER/764ERs. In sleep mode (fully flat), it is narrow if one sleeps on one's back; otherwise, for side sleepers, it is perfectly fine and not constricted at all. IMO, if they could make the armrest one side adjustable (i.e., if one can lower the armrest) when the seat is fully flat, it would help a great deal with the width.


User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16580 times:

it always baffled me as to why fred and leo and a few others allowed for the 764 to do domestic legs. perhaps hawaii made sense, but atl-fll made little sense.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16483 times:
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Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 17):
but atl-fll made little sense.

The 764 was intended to be a replacement for the L1011 which DL used rather liberally on ATL-Florida routes...


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7065 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16029 times:



Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 17):
but atl-fll made little sense.

That is also a quick turn that the a/c can perform while waiting for another trip. Also the route was heavily travelled, so either have more frequency or a larger a/c. If traffic pikcs up, I would not be surprized to see a 777 do a turn while waiting for another long haul mission.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15779 times:



Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 17):
it always baffled me as to why fred and leo and a few others allowed for the 764 to do domestic legs. perhaps hawaii made sense, but atl-fll made little sense.

The a/c's intended design was for just that. High density domestic ops. DL wanted an a/c that could provide about the same amount of lift as the L-1011. Boeing provided. Also, they wanted an a/c that could fly into LGA. Hence the wing design. It was a compromise really, had CO had their way, I think the a/c would have had more range but CASM wouldn't have been as low to be in line with the OPS Delta had in mind.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15617 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):

ATL-HNL is going A333.....not likely a 767 will be back on this route unless its to make it 2x daily.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15302 times:

Exaggerated. They will still be around. Geeez

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15237 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 22):

I don't know what you are talking about. The domestic 764's are not going to be around anymore.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15237 times:

End of a long era for DL. The aircraft changed, but the use of large domestic widebodies continued until now. A DL trademark is gone.

25 LipeGIG : Good, DL already upload on its reservation systems ATL-GIG and ATL-EZE with the 764's So this new frame will got the new interior, probably ?
26 Moman : My first flight on DL was a 767-400. It was my first flight on a widebody (I had only flown 727, MD-80, and 737), and my first flight after moving to
27 Putnik : Please do not use RIP phrase as no one died! The plane was not lost, heck, planes were not even removed from the fleet. Nothing actually changed. DL j
28 DL752 : The title is fine to me. I knew exactly what it meant. The domestic 764ER will no longer fly on domestic routes. It's not saying goodbye to the aircra
29 FlyASAGuy2005 : That was made quite obvious, we thought. When I first saw the thread I knew exactly what he meant. They will no longer operate here in the US (domest
30 LACA773 : When will the cozy suites be introduced in Y? Early next year?
31 Burkhard : No rest indeed, a good airplane finally gets good work - the delays of the 787 will also play a role in this. The 764 still has a lot of work to do, a
32 CX Flyboy : Can we expect to see any more DL 764s in HKG for maintenance, or is that it?
33 Phollingsworth : That says a lot about the yield trends for the route. It was 2x 764, which was 570 seats a day with multiple departures. It then went to a single 744
34 Aircatalonia : Last year there was a 767 doing SFO-ATL and then on to BCN. I don't remember which type of 767 it was, though.
35 RayChuang : So what is DL using on the SFO-ATL route nowadays? Have they reassigned 767-300ERs to this route or using 757-200s??
36 1337Delta764 : It is a mix between 752s and domestic (non-ER) 763s.
37 TrnsWrld : Sort of off topic but next month I will be vacationing to HNL on Delta. The flight goes from ORD to SLC then SLC to HNL. The itinerary says a 767 does
38 Zeke : So are you saying after this reconfig they still will have have two international configurations ? Seatguru does not show a 763ER with that config, t
39 Phollingsworth : He was talking about the non-ER 763s that DL has in domestic configuration. These include several ETOPS capable aircraft Yes, the first batch of 764s
40 1337Delta764 : It is a domestic 763, which has AVOD at every seat.
41 YULWinterSkies : They are, in fact, going across the world to discover it. Good for them! However, this means RIP to some of the already constantly reduced domestic w
42 Pilotboi : Speaking for MCO: It already has, several times. I'd say it happens on average once every two months or so. Usually as a substitute for a 76 or 75. H
43 1337Delta764 : Well, had the 764ER been designed exclusively for Delta (rather than both DL and CO), then we would have probably never seen DL use the 764ER on inte
44 Flpuck6 : Hello, Maybe 1337Delta764 can help ? Is anyone able to know if DL004 LHR/JFK will be operated Saturday 18JUL with the new BusinessFirst seats ? Thanks
45 1337Delta764 : Looking at the seat map, it appears to be an aircraft with the old BusinessElite recliner seats.
46 Flpuck6 : That is what i saw on the website too ... I thought they were trying to keep the new seats on the LHR route ? (Knowing full well operational needs pre
47 FilLPA : well!!! Honestly, i think it is very clear !! it says "RIP Delta Domestic 767-400ER" not "RIP Delta 767-400ER" I don´t think that if someone that re
48 Baw716 : I certainly remember those days...ATL-MIA in a L-1011, packed completely to the gills with a full meal service in both cabins on a flight that took h
49 Viscount724 : Seatguru is full of errors and outdated or incomplete information for many carriers.
50 1337Delta764 : Well, there are still the domestic non-ER 763s, which DL does not currently plan on converting to international configuration. Only four of them are
51 1337Delta764 : I just emailed Seatguru about the 764ER. SeatGuru is somewhat like Wikipedia, where anyone can send information on a certain aircraft even if it is f
52 Panamair : Because they only have about 3-4 764ERs with full-flat J seats in service right now, they cannot guarantee that all LHR flights (JFK/ATL/DTW) will ha
53 DeltaCTO : That is still the case today - 764/L10 or not - you nonrev on the 530am or the 747pm flight. Dont waste your time on anything in between
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : Old recliner BizElite and new lie flat Biz Elite (smaller than what is found on the 777L). Indeed. What I always loved was getting back to Atlanta fr
55 AV8AJET : When does it switch from the 744 to the A333?
56 MSYtristar : I managed to catch a ride on three 764 domestic configured birds over the years. MSY-ATL on 763 upgrade, ATL-LAX, and ATL-MCO. I always thought it to
57 1337Delta764 : What was surprising was that the F cabin wasn't really any worse than UA's 767 domestic F cabin to Hawaii. However, UA's 767 domestic F cabin never g
58 Brilondon : I believe they needed the capacity as they were always full when leaving ATL for MCO when I flew them. In fact I also was on a B777 between ATL and M
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