Passenger From Italy, joined May 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 994 times:
UAL's transcon 762's are approaching 20yrs old. I fly the JFK-SFO/LAX route constantly and am very familiar with this equipment. I have travelled in all three classes. How much longer will UAL fly them before they are replaced? What will they be replaced with? More new 762's ala Continental? 763's? 764's (probably not, too big)?
Before that eventuality, is United EVER planning to upgrade the interiors of their three class transcon 762's? Are they ever going to install the new business seats? Right now they are still using the old Conisseur Class business seats. The old First Class seats are quite comfortable enough, reclining almost fully flat and are equipped with personal video players. But new First seats would make it better ala their three class international 763's (one of which does fly JFK-SFO). It would be nice if the transcon business on the 762's got inseat video and if economy got the new economy seats with adjustable headreasts, and perhaps inseat video like the three class 763's.
Those who have a real idea, speak up! I'd like to hear more factual or informed opinions rather than pure unsubstantiated opinion.
And please, no "their going to use the A-330's from the UAL-US merger" fights.
KonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 965 times:
The 767-200 is slated to get the new interiors beginning this year. There is no plans in the forseeable future for United to be retiring the 767-200 fleet, despite the age. Remember, the DC-10 fleet was nearing THIRTY years old when it was retired a few months ago.
IFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 958 times:
I definitely agree with you. When UA retired the DC-10s, it left a gap in their fleet for aircraft of this size. They have been trying to duplicate lift with the 762s (and 763s on occasion), in the three-class configuration. Because of this, UA has adopted the quantity vs. quality mindset by offering more flights with smaller aircraft.
I do not see UA operating the 762s forever. Heck, even TW dumped their early 762s. I also agree with you that 764s would be too large for these routes, unless they reduced frequency, but I don't see that happening.
I personally believe that more 767s would be the answer, and who knows maybe Boeing is trying to pitch the deal to them as we speak. Airbus-lovers grasp the thought that A330s would fill-in nicely, and maybe they would. There's also lots of hype that UA is Airbus' largest customer. I'm sure Airbus is in the middle of a marketing effort as well, tauting cockpit commonality and the like.
Regardless what UA decides upon, they must keep twin-aisle aircraft on these routes, as frequent flyers (such as you and I) are growing weary of the 757s that are being used more and more on long-haul domestic routes. The WORST thing UA could do would be to buy 753s and make it a three-class. That would blow for the folks in the "back of the bus".
No, I didn't offer any definitive answers, but hopefully informed opinions as you stated...
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 955 times:
I have also heard that the 762s will be upgraded with new interiors and will remain in the UA fleet for the next few years - dont know if the 762s will get the "full treatment", with ptvs, but look for new seats and the 763 interior design in a year or so. (UA is currently busy with upgrading is business and first class cabins on long-haul widebodies.) It is likely that there will be no direct replacement for the 762 fleet when they are retired; UA currently has many 777 aircraft on order, and as they come-on line (including more "domestic", 777s, mainly for Hawaii services I guess), look for UA's fleet of of 777 and 763 aircraft to be shuffled with the 777 replacing 763 in some markets and the displaced 763s being assigned to the 762 transcon routes.
DL also has a small number (15?) of 762 aircraft and the same is likely to happen there.
If a freighter conversion program for the 762 takes off, maybe the airlines will have more reason to dispose of their 762 fleets.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 949 times:
If the 764 is too big, then there is no way that UAL will get the A330. I wouldn't be surprised if UAL ordered 753's. They are extremely profitable planes. The 763 wouldn't be a bad replacement either.
SJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 946 times:
I agree that the 753 would be a good addition in profit terms, but it doesn't have enough premium seating to fufill the needs of the SFO/LAX-JFK route. Most of the aircraft flying this route have large Business and first class sections. Mind you, the single isle layout of the 753 means that it would be almost impossible to implement a 3 class system. I would guess that more 767s would do the trick.
King767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 940 times:
Although this is really early to be talking about a 762 replacment at all, seeing UAL is not thinking about replacing the 762s, I agree, from what I have heard, an interior upgrade is needed. As with a replacement, althought I don't think anything will be announced anytime soon, if UA is looking at an aircraft strictly for trans-cons, the 753 is a very likely choice. But then the question about lack of premium seats comes into play, and more 762s look like a good replacement. I don't see anything bigger than a 763 becoming the backbone of the trans-con fleet. If UA ordered more 762s with P+W4000s, I would be a very happy man.