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Caspian Airlines #RV-7908 TU-154 Crash In Iran (EP-CPG)  
User currently onlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32047 times:

The BBC is reporting the crash of a Tupolev in northern Iran with 150 passengers, all feared killed.

Does anyone have any information?

[Edited 2009-07-15 02:13:45]

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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32077 times:
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CNN just reported the same in a breaking news. Nothing on any web site yet.


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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32055 times:

bloody summer this year! Sad


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32036 times:

Just got a twitter message from CCN Breaking news about this. (And the BBC)
Nice to see anet on top of the game. 5 new threads in as many seconds.

I wonder what happened with this crash?

[Edited 2009-07-15 02:16:09]

User currently onlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32046 times:

Update from BBC states it was a Caspian Airlines flight from Tehran to Yerevan, and crashed in the north-west of Iran.

User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31957 times:



Quoting Dalavia (Reply 4):
Caspian Airlines flight from Tehran to Yerevan

Must have been a Tupolev Tu-154 in that case


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31881 times:

As per anet pic database, they seem to operate TU154-M's

EP-CPS
EP-CPO
EP-CPT
EP-CPG

These seem to be the reg's we have pics of.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1861 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31657 times:
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CNN now reporting over 150 fatalities... Any news on type and operator?


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User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31667 times:

WSJ flashing plane crash....about 150 onboard, all feared dead.

AP also has a blurb out...via the WashPost:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../AR2009071500668.html?hpid=topnews

Not looking good at all..very sad.

Fair Use:
"The Caspian Airlines jet was heading from Tehran to the Armenian capital Yerevan when it crashed near the village of Jannatabad outside the city of Qazvin, around 75 miles northwest of Tehran, state television said.

The Qazvin emergency services director Hossein Bahzadpour tells the IRNA news agency that the plane was completely destroyed and shattered to pieces, andthe wreckage was in flames. "It his highly likely that all the passengers on the flight were killed," Bahzadpour said. He did not give a number, but state TV said 150 were on the flight. "

[Edited 2009-07-15 02:33:45]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31615 times:
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Damn, the worst news. Hope it's not true that everyone was wiped out.


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User currently onlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31518 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Damn, the worst news. Hope it's not true that everyone was wiped out.

CBC (Canada) says that the wreckage is ablaze, quoting Hossein Bahzadpour, the emergency services director in Qazvin, the area where the plane came down.

Sounds very very bad.


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31360 times:

Yerevan airport website has a scheduled arrival of Caspian Airlines flight RV7908 from Tehran with a Tu-154.
Next to the flight details is the remark "Ask Company", which is never a good sign.



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31375 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 6):

EP-CPS
EP-CPO
EP-CPT
EP-CPG

Caspian Airlines
Hub: Tehran | IATA: RV | ICAO: CPN | details

748 0 Tu-154M EP-CPG
898 0 Tu-154M EP-CPN
899 0 Tu-154M EP-CPO
957 0 Tu-154M EP-CPS
754 0 Tu-154M UP-T5407 opb Aerotur Air

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=CPN&al_op=1

Hope that there are survivors!


User currently onlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31348 times:

BBC is now announcing a death toll of 168.

Sounds very precise - obviously assuming no survivors.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31138 times:

This year is wretched for aviation. Very sad scenario.  Sad

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 31059 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 14):
This year is wretched for aviation

Yes, it's been a horrific year. Very sad news.


User currently onlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 31009 times:

TV footage shows a smoking, smouldering crater in the ground where the plane came down.

No large or identifiable aircraft parts were shown, just a few small twisted pieces of metal.

BBC cites "reports" that the plane broke up in the air before impact.

[Edited 2009-07-15 02:55:57]

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30881 times:



Quote:
"The 7908 Caspian flight crashed 16 minutes after its take-off from the International Imam Khomeini Airport," Iran's Aviation Organisation spokesman, Reza Jafarzadeh, was quoted by Press TV as saying.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8151327.stm

So still in Climb?
What is the weather doing out there does anyone know?


User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30663 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 17):
What is the weather doing out there does anyone know?

Wx looks fine...

OIII 150930Z 16010KT CAVOK 38/M00 Q1006 A2972 872/3
OIII 150900Z 00000KT CAVOK 37/00 Q1007 A2974 872/9
OIII 150830Z 13008KT CAVOK 37/00 Q1007 A2975 873/2

OIIE 150900Z 09014KT CAVOK 38/M03 Q1004 A2967
OIIE 150800Z 11016KT CAVOK 37/M03 Q1005 A2969
OIIE 150700Z 09018KT CAVOK 36/M04 Q1006 A2971

Bit windy but nothing to bring down a Tupolev.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30613 times:

Very sad....Three major crashes in a short span of time.

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30662 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 14):
This year is wretched for aviation. Very sad scenario.



Quoting EI320=reply=15:
Yes, it's been a horrific year. Very sad news.

According to Aviation Safety Network we have had 15 accidents, 508 fatalities in commecial multi-engine aviation prior to this crash Sad

Last year was 577 fatalities total with 39 on ground. On average between 1998 and 2007 it was 865 fatalites each year.

Even though this year is still not record level, the crashes have happened in a very short period of time. Most of the fatalities have happened in less than two month.

Lets pray for survivors.
More on safety here http://aviation-safety.net/index.php

[Edited 2009-07-15 03:18:24]


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User currently offlineSlats From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30542 times:

RIP to all on board.


slats
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30385 times:



Quoting Macc (Reply 2):
bloody summer this year!



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 14):
This year is wretched for aviation. Very sad scenario.



Quoting EI320 (Reply 15):
Yes, it's been a horrific year. Very sad news.

Terrible law of the series  Sad

RIP to all and my condolences to families and friends.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30040 times:

Very sad news. Condolences to all the families of the victims.

User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30045 times:
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Dreadful news. Seems all on board have perished. My thoughts go out to their families.

Quoting LHR380 (Reply 17):
So still in Climb?
Seems like it was still climbing out of Imam Kohmeini Airport so something catastrophic must have happened judging from the video of the smoldering crater on the ground.

Norwegian newspaper VG is reporting that wreckage has been found over an area covering 200 square kilometers. If true the 154M must have broken up in flight.

RIP to all the victims.

Stein

[Edited 2009-07-15 03:52:23]


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25 Post contains links Baalzebub : They already did it according to this page: http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/24983745/ (in Turkish) Translated version: http://translate.google.com/transla
26 Tiger119 : - But did Russia not provide parts and information to them or were they part of the sanctions as well? RIP
27 OD720 : According to reports, most of the perished are Armenians. Quite sad. Condolences to all the families of the victims.
28 Post contains links IcLCY : Pics of the crash site here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ared-dead-plane-breaks-pieces.html
29 RAFVC10 : According to Amadeus.net, this flight was unscheduled as seen it: 1 RV7908 4 IKA EVN 0900 1200 0 30OCT08 --- TU5 2:30 2 RV7908 1 IKA EVN 1930 2230 0 0
30 Dkarpezo : It seems it's EP-CPG
31 BasilFawlty : According to skyliner-aviation.de the aircraft involved was EP-CPG
32 Trystero : Holy Cow! not another one! Thoughts for family and friends.
33 DanVS : My condolences to the families of those on board. Unfortunately, this is the sort of accident that is little debated, and its investigation details an
34 Trystero : I believe that international authorities have limited or none jurisdiction in this case.
35 Offloaded : I was considering the Air Events trip to Iran in October but as much as I would love to fly on some of these old birds, maybe it isn't so wise. Very s
36 Wexfordflyer : Yet another damage to the aviation world. RIP to all on board.
37 RayChuang : I'd right now check the weather conditions at the time of the crash. The issue here is that T-tail planes have a very nasty aerodynamic fault called d
38 Aljrooney : So many crashes in such a short period. The crater in the photos reminds me off PA103 at Lockerbie RIP to all.
39 Acabgd : You're really pushing it a bit too far. Someone already posted the weather above and it looks more than okay. Deep stall usually occurs when you are
40 DeltaWings : ok. so there's another airliner down, with about 150 pax killed. In spite of it being a Tupolev ( I Know, they are in fact very safe planes) and an ea
41 TK787 : What is the black box situation on Tupolevs? I mean if found where do they get analyzed? RIP to all pax.
42 Sudden : R.I.P and my deepest condolences to family and friends. That doesn't mean anything in regards to this disaster! I don't know anything, the public does
43 Mxp : My condolences to all the families involved Anyway i think Tupolev are safe and not very different from any other aircraft like seen sadly in this sum
44 RayChuang : One of the reasons I mentioned the "deep stall" condition is that you need some warning system to prevent the plane from going into a flight regime th
45 RFields5421 : I don't know about the FDR/CVR status on the Tu aircraft, but from past crashes and reports I am sure they are part of the aircraft equipment. The in
46 B727fan : My condolences to families of this and other tragic crashes this year. I can only hope such tragic event done happen again. I wonder with the current
47 MadameConcorde : This is so terribly sad to hear about this Caspian Airlines plane crash. I find it difficult to look at the wreckage pictures. Weather? Poor aircraft
48 AlexEU : R.I.P. very tragic to hear about another crash this summer ( Most pax were Armenians, but there were also Georgians reported.
49 Tom355uk : God, is this guy just reading Wikipedia then trying to sound like an expert? I dont proclaim to be such, but from what I can gather the TU-154M is mo
50 SLCguy : While the BAC111 had an early accident due to deep stall. The early 727 crashes had nothing to do with the deep stall effect of a T-tailed airplane.
51 Dalavia : A BBC news report quotes eye witnesses who said the plane was seen circling as though looking for a place to land before plummeting from the sky. The
52 Acabgd : Could you please point to the losses of 727-100's due to deep stalls, as I can't find any?
53 Pylon101 : This way ot other but Iranians seem to be unlucky with TU-154M. This aircraft was flying in China a lot without accidents, in Egypt. But it is not the
54 CodyKDiamond : My condolences to all aboard. It has been such a terrible year. The year started out great with N106US yet has taken a dive with CJC3407, AFR447, and
55 LongHauler : As you may have already guessed, there were none.
56 Post contains links Irobertson : http://avherald.com/h?article=41cb2735&opt=0 "The pilot had reported the left hand engine #1 (engine type D-30KU-154-II) on fire before the airplane w
57 JBirdAV8r :
58 Acabgd : This is quite ilke saying you wouldn't fly on a DC-9 as there were some Comets that were dropping out of a sky due to metal fatigue... The two aircra
59 SIBILLE : Caspian is one of the Iranian Airlines (with Iran Air Tours and Kish Air) waiting for the new Tu-204. Wonder if that crash will accelerate the deliver
60 Pylon101 : Just checked on previous crashes of Tu-154 in Iran: in 2002, in 2006, and now this one. It was reported fire in the left engine and requested landing
61 HomaDreaming : Very sad news, as if there was a need for more innocent blood spilled in Iran...not surprising however...since the TU 154s that fly in Iran are pieces
62 Irobertson : Three Tu-154 crashes since 2002 in Iran. How many 737s have crashed since then, Even just in the US? I think the Tu-154 has no worse a service record.
63 PHBUF : 08 february 1993: Iran Air Tours Tu-154M, 131 fatalities, due mid-air collision with Iranian Air Force Su-22 12 february 2002: Iran Air Tours Tu-154M,
64 Hoppe777 : ugggghhh thats exactly what I was thinking. may they all rest in peace
65 Fanofjets : Just heard the news - way after the fact. My condolences for the victims and their friends and relatives. Very, very sad, indeed.
66 Aleksandar : Ugly new, again May all the victims RIP and my condolences to their family and friends. Well, I wouldn't say it has much to do with luck only and befo
67 Dallasnewark : You statement is completely pointless. How many 737's are in the sky compared to TU154s? How many cycles have 733's done vs TU154's? You picked the w
68 CodyKDiamond : Sir, I do not mean to argue but we know Comet and the DC-9 are two different airplanes, the former with a structural defect. Yes, the IL6 and the TU5
69 PHBUF : Ehm, none? As far as I know, no US-registered 737s have crashed with fatalities between 2002 and now..
70 Naritaflyer : Reports says there were 15 crew on board and 153 PAX. This is a lot of crew. Sad news indeed. RIP.
71 Post contains links AVLNative : From VOA: http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-15-voa3.cfm He said the weather at the time of the crash was bad and the plane crashed in a rural, fa
72 Post contains links Aviateur : Witnesses reported the plane's tail was on fire. All three of the Tu-154's engines are located in the tail section, leading to speculation that an unc
73 Kaitak : Don't forget that the Tu-154 has a very labour intensive cockpit, so it won't be a two crew operation - more than likely 4 or 5. On top of that, as a
74 Aleksandar : Wooow, this is really a lot of crew for mid-size plane. Maybe, there were some security personnel on board and they are counted as crew.
75 Post contains links Addd : There are Four, as a matter of fact. That brings to mind an engine fire on SU's Tu154 at LED on 30 June, 2008 (see links to YouTube video and photo be
76 HomaDreaming : Quick question, can dust storms cause plane crashes? There has been some extreme dust storms in most of Iran...many public places have been shut down,
77 Tiger119 : quote=Dalavia,reply=0]Wooow, this is really a lot of crew for mid-size plane[/quote] - How many crew members in the cocpit? Three? Four? Five? That st
78 RFields5421 : Yes - while not as bad as volcanic ash, dust storms have the same impact on jet engines. However, I seriously doubt they are involved in this case. F
79 Pylon101 : It appears to me that 3 crew members for 154M. Previous versions required 4. May be wrong though. Dust/sand storm might contribute to the fire in the
80 Acabgd : What defect on Tu-154M are you specifically talking about, as I'm not aware of any?
81 Gonzalo : Don't let the heat of the moment take control over your words. There are not dozens of crashes within the last weeks. There are three major crashes,
82 Post contains links Gonzalo : Is it me or this picture in Yahoo News was "borrowed" from the site but without the watermark ? http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Caspia...-Iran/ss/events
83 Aleksandar : I wasn't sure if they are Basiji or not, but this only confirms my fears that there were more than usual number of security personnel on board.
84 OV735 : The Tu-154 can normally be operated by a three-man cockpit crew (the commander, the 2nd pilot and the flight engineer). Most export customers of the
85 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Caspian's Tu-154s were regular visitors to Dubai while I worked there. Here's EP-CPG in happier circumstances: View Large View MediumPhoto © Stev
86 CodyKDiamond : Sir, apart from the accidents that have not been solved (B2) (eg. 1975 MA crash), the Tu-154 has been known to have design faults that not necessaril
87 Richierich : 1985 was the worst year overall for accidents/crashes, I think, as measured by the morbid death count. Looking solely at the four-month period of May
88 RFields5421 : Anyone besides me think the crater is exceptionally large? We see a few parts including part of at least one engine outside the crater. Now I realize
89 Post contains links Viscount724 : The last Tu-154 was delivered 3 years ago, not 15. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...duction-after-fulfilling-last.html
90 Viscount724 : There have been 38 737 hull losses worldwide between 2002 and today, compared to 7 Tu-154 hull losses (based on Aviation-Safety.Net database). You al
91 Post contains links and images 757MDE : Didn't the Tu-154 remain in production until not too long ago? At least the remarks in this picture say so. View Large View MediumPhoto © Fyodor
92 Acabgd : I was honestly not aware of that, but I've also not seen any Tu-154s crashing due to metal fatigue.
93 757MDE : I had read somewhere that it had problems with the initial prototypes because the wings were very stiff and didn't have the required flexibility and
94 IRelayer : RIP to the victims. Tragic. -IR
95 Post contains links TK787 : BBC reports black boxes "damaged": http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8153069.stm
96 Dalavia : My understanding is that this problem affected the very early production models (the early Tu-154Bs I think, none of which is probably in service tod
97 Farzan : Yes absolutely. If this hole/crater was a result of this crash only, then it's definitely exceptionally large. It would take a lot of explosives to m
98 Acabgd : I think you underestimate the size of that plane and also the fact that the Russian airliners are built somewhat sturdier than their Western counterp
99 Farzan : Well I am not totally unfamiliar with the Tu-154. Had the pleasure of using them a lot in the past. There are quite a few Tu-154 crash pics out there
100 Sovietjet : The only Tu-154s that had problems with the wings were the very early ones. Tu-154 "no letters"(just Tu-154) and some Tu-154As. Tu-154Bs already came
101 Trystero : I think that the kind soil might influence the size of the crater.
102 LEEDS19 : As it happens I was handling EP-CPS in DXB yesterday on the TBZ-DXB-TBZ sector and was extremely worried when I heard about the crash.Sounds awful bu
103 777way : About six Armenians and two Georgians, said to include Georgian ambassadors wife though not confimed, also two crew and 29 other passengers were Arme
104 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20090715-0 If there was a big crater, this suggests that it was substancially intact on hitting the
105 Aussie_ : There were also 2 Australians on board.
106 Spacecadet : ??? It's about the size of a 727-200. 153 vs. 157ft in length, 210,000 vs. 220,000 MTOW. Most of that extra MTOW comes from the longer wings, but tha
107 Prebennorholm : Fuel doesn't explode. Fuel spray creates a fireball. Fuel on the ground burns as a fire. If, say, 25 tonnes of fuel should explode, then it first had
108 Kaitak : I was just trying to calculate, very roughly, the weight of the aircraft; the OEW is about 43,000 kgs, add to that about 17,000kgs for pax and baggage
109 Yak42 : Wow.. like the B757 that hit the Pentagon, this aircraft has left very few large pieces of wreckage. Was jut looking through the photos and accounts o
110 Acabgd : Well, that's big for me. Have you ever been standing under the tail of the B727-200 looking up and forward? It's a huge plane, same for the Tu-154M.
111 Post contains links and images YAK42 : There is a small airfield very near the Jannatabad crash site called Khar Rud Airport. Maybe this is where they were trying to get to when they crashe
112 Post contains links Pylon101 : No news about investigation. Though it is considered Iranian aircraft Russian specialists went there. But investigation is going under full Iranian co
113 Kaitak : This is normal practice, under ICAO regulations; the state of occurrence (Iran) conducts the inquiry, but the states of registration and manufacture
114 RFields5421 : Nearest VOR and NDB from that airport are a little over 39 nm back toward Teheran at the Payam Airport. They were probably on the R661 airway headed
115 YAK42 : Witnesses on the ground said the plane was circling the area while the flames were seen emitting from the rear. Maybe they were looking for a place f
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