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AirTran Done Installing Wi-Fi, ICT Will Remain  
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2009/07/13/daily17.html

thats about Wi-Fi

http://www.kansas.com/business/industries/story/891887.html

That is about renewed ICT subsidies

Just thought I would share those updates.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Thread starter):
That is about renewed ICT subsidies

I always smile when I see the AirTran planes at ICT because it's so rare to see mainline equipment there. Glad to see they will be around for at least another year. To be honest, I am somewhat surprised to see they have not pulled a profit once on that route...I know they compete with Delta, which has much more connections at ATL, but I was under the assumption their ICT routes did well...not sure why, really.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3277 times:

Airtran is doing alot of good things lately and the Wifi how to guide is so funny and cool. Now if they could make a guide for travel etiquette and drop it from the 737's to the hands of the entire country that would be even more awesome LOL. People check out there brains curbside and pick them back up curbside at there destinations lol  Smile


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 2):
Now if they could make a guide for travel etiquette and drop it from the 737's to the hands of the entire country that would be even more awesome LOL.

So true.

I think airports should install overhead TVs in the security line, with PSAs hosted by comedians, who inform you about the dos and don'ts of travel, both at the security line and elsewhere. Sort of like how they do it at Disney "audience" attractions. Not only would people learn some manners, but they'd be someone entertained and less annoyed with the long lines.



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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3163 times:

That's great that the Kansas taxpayer gets to subsidize ICT flyers. You might have DL mainline if the playing field were level. True the individual would pay more, but they are paying it anyway in the form of taxes.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
I am somewhat surprised to see they have not pulled a profit once on that route...

Why worry about making a profit when you know there's an open checkbook to cover your losses? FL can keep fares low, destroy DL's yields, and at the end of the quarter get a check to make themselves whole. FL has no reason to focus on anything more than filling the planes, regardless of cost.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3131 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 4):
You might have DL mainline if the playing field were level.

If the playing field were level, FL would leave and DL would quickly slash most of its capacity. You'd have 2-3 CRJ's and pay about $900 just to go to ATL.

And quite honestly, a big part of the reason that FL can't make money is that DL is pumping too much money-losing RJ capacity into the market.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3114 times:
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Quoting Toltommy (Reply 4):
might have DL mainline if the playing field were level.

That's amusing.


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3103 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):

If the playing field were level, FL would leave and DL would quickly slash most of its capacity. You'd have 2-3 CRJ's and pay about $900 just to go to ATL.

So you'd have what the market could support. Other airlines would see an opportunity and come in. Instead, your neighbor gets to pay for your flight. It still costs more than you are actually paying, but as long as someone else pays for you, it's okay? God help us all if thats really how this country has started thinking.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3052 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):
So you'd have what the market could support. Other airlines would see an opportunity and come in. Instead, your neighbor gets to pay for your flight. It still costs more than you are actually paying, but as long as someone else pays for you, it's okay? God help us all if thats really how this country has started thinking.

A city trying to retain air service is not much different than providing tax incentives to attract new or more industry. (Didn't Kansas manage to retain one of the General Aviation manufacturers that way?) Somewhere between abject corporate welfare and complete laissez- faire letting the city whither up and blow away, there's some medium ground. It's called investment.

-Rampart


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3045 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):

I wonder how much money is kept in the market instead of driving to TUL or MCI? What about the economic impact on the region? If that economic impact is much more then what they are putting into it, then I see it as worth it. They spend $6.5M and it retains passengers to the impact of say $15M or more, it's worth it - ROI is key. People have jobs and spend money and keep the money locally and keep others employed, etc I'm surprised you would take a line like this as if TOL could retain more passengers, the economic impact would be great too. More people would be employed, more money would be out there and other things would sprout up.

I wonder if we could see a copy of the agreement between AirTran and the City/County/Etc. I wonder what AirTran has to do to keep getting the subsidies - is it maintain a load factor of 75% and fly a minimum of 3 daily flights? What? I don't think it would be fair to fly flights 30% full and still get the subsidy. The airline should be held accountable for something.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3011 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):
So you'd have what the market could support.

You'd have what DL thinks the market can support at DL's bloated RJ cost structure.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):
Other airlines would see an opportunity and come in.

Unlikely, since the legacies have historically avoided invading each others turf.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):
Instead, your neighbor gets to pay for your flight.

Even if I don't own a car, I still have to pay taxes that go to pay for roads. Even if I don't have children, I still have to pay taxes that go to schools. Welcome to civilized society where sometimes you have to pay for things even if they don't directly benefit you.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 7):
It still costs more than you are actually paying, but as long as someone else pays for you, it's okay?

If the people don't like subsidizing these flights, then they can vote out their elected officials and replace them with someone who won't approve subsidies. That's how our democracy works.


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
I'm surprised you would take a line like this

I'm never in favor of corporate welfare, even if it were to line my pocket. I don't believe in asking my neighbor to pay for something that only I want.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2699 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 11):
I'm never in favor of corporate welfare, even if it were to line my pocket.

I wasn't referring directly to you, I was referring to the airport/region as a whole.

Is Delta losing their butts on the ICT-ATL route? If so, why not drop the route and cede to AirTran? There's no one holding a gun to their head saying they need to fly this route...


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4607 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2584 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
I wonder how much money is kept in the market instead of driving to TUL or MCI?

AirTran, and Wichita overall, gets a good chunk of traffic from OKC as well. On one of the local discussion forums, people were discussing fare examples and it was come out to $50-200 or more that people were saving on a round trip driving north on I-35. I guess ICT is seeing a positive impact by drawing out of markets that would otherwise suck them dry.


User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Nice to see Kansas' sole major airport hanging on to its prized LCC service. I see that a new, modern terminal project is soon to be underway - good for ICT! Kansas seems to be doing quite well in terms of air service, what with MHK getting AE regional jet service to DFW and ICT keeping its LAX link via Allegiant in addition to the maintenance of ATL service on FL. Now I'm sure USX to CLT or COEX to EWR would be a stretch, but would such flights be at all plausible? After all, I sure didn't think UAX and DLC would launch ICT-LAX!


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Does anyone know if MQ's new DFW-MHK is going to be subsidized by any local, state, or federal grants?


"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2230 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 15):
Does anyone know if MQ's new DFW-MHK is going to be subsidized by any local, state, or federal grants?

I'd have to think the government will help subsidize it for military use as well, since Ft. Riley is so close...



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 16):
I'd have to think the government will help subsidize it for military use as well, since Ft. Riley is so close...

Good good. That's what I thinking. I love Manhattan. Lived there for 9 years, and I was born there. I know that there is no way in hell those flights will survive without a subsidy.  yes 



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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2115 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 17):
I know that there is no way in hell those flights will survive without a subsidy.

Well, from what I've heard, out of state students are really digging the new service starting in August. I know a good thirty people that are taking the flight within the first week...

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 17):
I love Manhattan.

It's the greatest, I'm about to finish my first year living in town...



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