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757 No Longer Working For AA  
User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30409 times:

CEO of AA mr Arpey seems to be troubled about the economics of the 757.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-economic-struggles-with-757s.html

Quoting fair quote from the article:
" American Airlines is giving serious consideration to the role its Boeing 757s will play in its long-term fleet plan as the carrier's chief executive says it faces challenges with the aircraft's economics.

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30397 times:

Interesting! It doesn't give a lot of insight into what sort of economic troubles AA is having with the 757 other than some issues with suppliers.


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User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30402 times:

Anyone know specifically what Mr. Arpey is speaking about?

Haven't heard about any other operatiors siting poor economical issues from NW, DL, CO, US or any other 757 operations...


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30349 times:

The suppliers seems to be one of the issues but he also said

"....However, taking another opportunity to highlight the challenges of the 757 Arpey says: "The cost per seat mile of that aircraft is troubling to us right now."

This seems to suggest more than just supplier problems.



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User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30355 times:

In the article it says...

But Arpey did highlight cost issues associated with its 757s. "It is fair to say we are struggling with the economics of the 757 fleet in light of some of the contractual issues we have with suppliers," he explains. Currently, American operates 124 757-200s.

What type of contractual issues would that be? And with which suppliers? I don't understand that statement.

It also says...

However, taking another opportunity to highlight the challenges of the 757 Arpey says: "The cost per seat mile of that aircraft is troubling to us right now."

That statement seems to be more straightforward but I wonder what he meant by the statements in the first quote.


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30312 times:

Intersting. He says that the cost per seat mile is troubling. Is the plane somehow fuel-inefficient on a per seat basis when compared to other models? Surely it can't be worse than the S80 in that sense.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30292 times:

I was always under the impression the 757 was one of the most efficient narrowbody aircraft on a CASM basis (especially the -300, which I know AA doesn't operate, but the -200 as well)

Was I wrong?

-A



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30213 times:

The two highest costs of an airplane that can relate to suppliers that I can think of are:

Engines
Tires & Brakes



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30211 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 5):
Intersting. He says that the cost per seat mile is troubling. Is the plane somehow fuel-inefficient on a per seat basis when compared to other models? Surely it can't be worse than the S80 in that sense.

One can only imagine how ugly the CASM numbers for the 76-200's are then
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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30215 times:

The oldest aircraft is now over 20 years, so perhaps aging aircraft issues.

User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30151 times:

Maybe BA knew a while ago that the life as a passenger hauler for the 757 has finally come to an end, they used to have +60 on board and it was a very important aircraft in its time but now with higher fuel costs (ok oil is back at 60$ but that will inevitably go up again) it no longer seems to be able to compete with planes that can do 90% of what the 757 can do but at a substantially lower cost (think 739ER, A321, A320,738).


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 30088 times:

How old is the youngest batch of their birds? I can see a few airlines attempting to pick up a few should they come on the market.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30901 posts, RR: 87
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29974 times:
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Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):
I was always under the impression the 757 was one of the most efficient narrowbody aircraft on a CASM basis...

The 757-200 has excellent CASM, however if AA is flying theirs on very long stage-lengths (North America to Hawai'i and TATL), being able to only get in one (or less) turns a day might be affecting the overall economics (not many seats flying very many miles).


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29939 times:

Currently, AA has too many 757s, and thus uses them in roles that may have been economical in the days of higher fares and cheaper fuel (old 727 routes), but are now better suited for 738s (the true 727-200A replacement).

But AA could rework their 757 fleet use after retiring some. For one, they could retire the 762s (which are even less efficient) and use the 757s for transcons like UA does with p.s.

They could also outfit some with a 45" F product for use to central and south America medium haul routes and secondary transcons/hawaii.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29865 times:

Maybe Arpey is saying that as some type of negotiation ploy if he is re-negotiating something long term with his suppliers.

But I do agree in that the 757 is not the best option for them long term. Except for some routes like MIA-LIM they tend to fly 3-hour cycles. They haven't been using them like CO, DL-NW and US have lately (flying transatlantic), since they don't have the range from DFW, ORD or MIA to cover the thin European routes which the others have already saturated from the Northeast. For the shorter-haul flights AA is running the 757s they would be better off with a plane with the same or more seats, but with less range and more fuel efficiency.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29804 times:



Quoting ArniePie (Reply 10):
Maybe BA knew a while ago that the life as a passenger hauler for the 757 has finally come to an end,

But BA doesn't need them as much as AA and other American carriers do. They don't need to operate 3000 mile transcon flights. The A321 can easily operate all of BA's European routes while the A32x and 737 can struggle at times to cross North America.

Also, AA has some destinations in the Caribbean, Central, and South America where the 757s are perfectly suited. I doubt we will see a total retirement, but the fleet may be right sized based on where the 757's unique capabilities are a true asset and where a 737 can do the job just as well.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29646 times:
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It's not the plane, it's how it's being used. That's what contributes to high CASM in this case.


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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29608 times:

I doubt that there is as serious an issue as some may think. This sounds to me like an effort to reopen supplier contracts of various items for lower prices during an economic downturn. And another item that also may have a point in his remarks..Jet-A is currently being refined from around 60.00 bbl crude..and with fares off probably 25% just recently, and probably in some markets 35 or more percent since last summer..the equation may have changed a bit...The CASM may also have been impacted (vs A300) since the 757 can NOT carry containerized cargo. AA has sorta cut themselves here in the ability to handle tons of cargo from MIA & JFK to many points in the Caribbean and Northern Latin America...Cargo made many of those A300 flights profitable to almost cash machines.

The points made about TATL routes are good ones also..but I'd bet that the 757 will be flying for AA at least another 8-10 years..so don't go guessing when the last flight will be. IIRC, the last 22 757's came new from Renton in 1999-2001..after the Reno air fleet was handed back to the leasing companies.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 29540 times:

I also imagine that 757 pilots are more expensive the 738 pilots, but maybe someone with access to AA pay scales can inform us of the reality there.


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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29281 times:

In addition to a shot across the bow of 757 parts suppliers, it could be a public invitation to Boeing to sell Arpey on more 738s or some 739ERs with a terrific deal.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29022 times:

One way or another I think we will see some 737-800 orders converted to 737-900ERs.


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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28791 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 17):
I doubt that there is as serious an issue as some may think. This sounds to me like an effort to reopen supplier contracts of various items for lower prices during an economic downturn

I was thinking the same thing, especially since he said:
"The cost per seat mile of that aircraft is troubling to us right now."

That seems to imply it could be better if costs came down, not that it's done at AA.


User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28729 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
The two highest costs of an airplane that can relate to suppliers that I can think of are:

Engines
Tires & Brakes

Flight deck and wings?
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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25146 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28688 times:

Supplier = Rolls Royce.

AA has had ongoing contractual issues which is resulting in growing cost to operate the model, which makes their CASM look less attractive vis-a-vis other models particularly the 737NG.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28645 times:

Hmm I wonder if this affects the refurb of the 757s? AA's are a mess, and going tech more and more, I wonder why they aren't working for them

25 LAXintl : Oh and regarding the 737-900, AA has in previously earnings calls stated that they do continue to look at other members of the 737NG family, and have
26 BMI727 : Looks like somebody shouldn't have sent the TW planes to DL. This makes sense. The 737-900ER would make sense on many of AA's routes.
27 Ckfred : A friend of mine is a 757/767 captain, and started flying the 757/767 as an F/O back in 1994. He was at some company function in the late 90s, before
28 Max Q : No question the 757 was and is a superb machine, however it has never really been updated and I think this was a big mistake. An all new cockpit, inte
29 OA412 : AA didn't send the aircraft to DL, they returned them to the lessor who in turn leased them to DL. Besides, operating a small subfleet of 757s with a
30 SurfandSnow : The 757 is an integral part of the AA fleet, doing all the (highly profitable) runs to the likes of EGE, LIH, UIO, TGU, LPB, etc. that are either long
31 Ckfred : Actually, the 757s are receiving new interiors starting soon. But for 9/11, the new interior program would have started in 2002 or 2003, but that's a
32 Pellegrine : Wait I thought the 757-200 was the 'can do no wrong' airplane on this forum. I'll wager to say AA doesn't need anywhere near 124 752s with falling tra
33 BMI727 : I know. That comment was mostly tongue in cheek, but I forgot the smiley. But seriously, doesn't AA have the capability in their rather extensive mai
34 Pellegrine : I like the Porsche 959, but you left out the classic Ferrari F40.
35 DocLightning : AA flies 752's on tons of routes that could use a 738 or 739, like RNO-ORD. UA flies them on SAN-SFO. This is what A/C like the 739 and A321 are for.
36 Rheinwaldner : Why are you so surprised? It is a narrowbody of the seventies that never experienced something like a new NG-version. And it is beefed up to offer a p
37 BMI727 : The 762 has the highest CASM of pretty much any widebody, and is eclipsed by some narrowbodies notably the 757-300 and I can't imagine the 757-200 be
38 Tommy767 : This SHOULD have happened despite 9/11. AA even took deliveries of new 763s (replacing ex-twa's but still, they ordered them factory new) during this
39 BMI727 : You say that like it's a bad thing.
40 BrouAviation : Of course not only fuel efficiency counts when it comes to costs per seat mile. If maintenance and parts get more expensive, the costs per seat mile
41 NicoEDDF : I agree, Rheinwaldner. What was always praised as THE new role for the 757 is now not true anymore? Hard to believe, Stitch. That was also my impress
42 Post contains images Keesje : The 757 has a unique payload range capability. Its the only narrowbody to eefective do long trans continentals, atlantic flights and it still is a le
43 BMI727 : Probably tell them to shove it. AA and Airbus aren't exactly on good terms these days, and it is unclear whether AA would want to jeopardize their po
44 LACA773 : [quote=NicoEDDF,reply=41] This puts AA in the situation, that they cannot compete profitable on routes where other carriers are flying NG 737 or 32x.
45 Phollingsworth : The A310 was the worst, with the 762ER on short routes following. Basically if you aren't using a 762ER over 2500nm you are paying way too much. Afte
46 Post contains links Rheinwaldner : If AA feels they would jeopardize something by leaving out half of what the market is offering they will for sure be doomed. Keesje's proposal could
47 Columba : Interesting times ahead with AA as the A300, MD 80, 757 are getting out of the fleet and it will be interesting to see what will replace them.
48 RAFVC10 : Is scheduled to change the daily operation from JFK to BCN on winter season. Actually we can see daily Boeing 767-300 but from November, and according
49 Columba : I am beginning to ask myself if Cargo capacity is real such a big issue. AA and LH kept their A300s because of its cargo capacity but now they are be
50 Phollingsworth : Your making conclusions that just don't work. First your including crew costs in the equation. Crew costs are far more determined by specific airline
51 Phollingsworth : The cargo market is sucking wind right now. The A300 was nice, for AA, because it offered a cargo advantage over the 763, without having to add the e
52 NW747-400 : Bingo. Its not the airplane that's causing AA problems folks. Its suppliers, whoever they are. AA is clearly trying to negotiate lower rates with the
53 DeltaL1011man : read below. This is AA the carrier that has been keeping S80s out of MIA,JFK and 737s out of ORD due to cost......do you really think they are going
54 Bmacleod : There are many carriers worldwide hungry for 757s. If AA does decide to release them they won't be idle for long.... I am puzzled with Mr Arpey saying
55 Jfk777 : AA's 757 travel many missions both supporting the 767 & 777 and routes where the need for more then an MD-80. West Coast to Hawaii and the Atlantic ar
56 NicoEDDF : Certainly they are replaced by smaller aircraft. But on the other hand, LH Cargo is now flying to Malta e.g., which was a prime example of the A300 u
57 Pictues : Well AA already started flying B738's to YVR replacing the B757 and I heard the reason being they are close in seating capacity but a lot cheaper to o
58 DLDTW1962 : I don't understand his thinking. I thought the B757 was a good jetliner for alot of meduim to long haul flights. Is AA thinking of becoming an all 737
59 NicoEDDF : I guess you meant "doesn't" have the range? typical two class 185 seats with 3000nm range for the A321 typical two calls 180 seats with 3200nm range
60 Enilria : Well this whole thing probably alludes to the fact that they are converting many planes for transatlantic operation. I would assume the domestic plan
61 Manfredj : Nail right on the head. We don't see any many others using the 757 like AA does. Surely they (AA) must realize this. But don't give people the impres
62 Columba : Even the 757 has to be replaced at some point, I guess that AA will retire a good share of their 757s soon and replace them with 737s or A320s like n
63 UpstateDave : Lease rates anyone... 1/3 (32 planes out of 92) are leased by American. With few 757s being parked could the lease rates be out of whack???? That soun
64 Sparkingwave : I remember the days of yore (back in the 80s) when the 757 was touted as the most state-of-the-art aerodynamic and fuel efficient plane. It had high c
65 Columba : ...and back in the 1970s you could say the same about the L1011. Times change even a 757 will become outdated and obsolete (it already is on shorter
66 MaverickM11 : I would not want to be a carrier with 100 757s right now; unless they're all flying transoceanic or into places like EGE/TGU, they're just really expe
67 OP3000 : My view is exactly that - they need and find 757s ideal for a lot of routes, but not for as many birds as they have. They probably could keep about a
68 TAN FLYR : That is a great point ...for the balance ..they are paid for. Thus no lease or note payments..that has to be cheaper than a new lease or notes on new
69 Tommy767 : It's my favorite airplane but the AA 757 birds are in bad shape!
70 Aajfksjubklyn : All I have to say is chuck them! I have written to them about their reliability, interior looks (except newly reconfigured)...CHUCK EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
71 Khobar : This is all to prod Airbus into making "an offer he can't refuse" on the A380.
72 777STL : The 757s aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. AA can't afford to replace them right now, especially since most of them are owned. Not to mention the
73 Ikramerica : I don't think AA is that concerned about LD3s in the belly, and the A321 doesn't hold >200 passengers in anything but a one class charter type config
74 Ripcordd : Arpey is just doing a little show, He wants Boeing to come to his aid, He wants the pilots which are up contracts to easy up a little bit, and we want
75 Movingtin : Facts? easy to pay for when you don't have to pay your other bills!
76 ConvairNut : One sure would think that the economics of the 757 would've been well examined by AA before they decided to winglet the entire fleet!!!
77 AirframeAS : I think AA is pretty much done with Airbus, IMO.... I see a 739ER in AA's fleet within the next 5 years.
78 N62NA : A very good point!
79 WESTERN737800 : That's exactly what I thought. While other airlines may be retiring a handful of older 757 frames, you don't hear about them complaining about the co
80 Viscount724 : But many 757s are now 20 to 25 years old and maintenance costs begin to offset some of the other things.
81 Max Q : It is certainly true the 757 does have the best engines in it's class. That is simply because there is no alternative. It is a superb machine, no ques
82 Khobar : You can offload standard LD3's from, say, an MD-11 and stick them in the belly of an A32x?
83 Ikramerica : Yes, but they waste a lot of space in the hold, as they don't load 2x2. And the large number of LD2s that AA has due to the large 767 fleet would was
84 DeltaL1011man : yea i meant doesn't typed to fast i guess. Your right that the 321 and 739ER are close (the 321 adds seats for range as said above)
85 AA717driver : I fly the 757/767 for AA. AA is the only U.S. operator whose 757's are 100% equipped with winglets. It was done in record time. We are converting the
86 AirframeAS : There is a disabled AA 752 (N668AA) here in DEN. Does anyone know why its out of service?
87 Ckfred : I agree, but some time after 9/11, AA was putting the 757 on leisure routes. If leisure passengers choose an airline based almost solely on fare pric
88 OP3000 : Other than JL and carriers who run only one model on their mainline ops (WN, CM, G3), you won't find an airline more faithful to a manufacturer than
89 NicoEDDF : Isn't it interesting how people tend to offload all the bad things in a company on the "beancounters"? While you certainly believe that your job is i
90 Tommy767 : All airlines had bills both pre and post 9/11. Bottom line: AA cheapen out on fixing interiors as other airlines persisted. UA installed new seats fr
91 Boeing767mech : Dry bay fuel leak David
92 AirframeAS : Yeah, left wing inboard. Just found out before I left work.
93 Keesje : Interesting. So you assume this agreement is still effective and American would only buy Airbus aircraft if Airbus discounted so deep Boeing would fi
94 Flighty : Bingo. But, 757s are also really cheap 762s or A300s. AA has every need for a serious 757 fleet. It just does not need 100. It probably needs barely
95 777STL : As are pilots and business sense.
96 PRAirbus : Now I know why the 757 refurbishment is stalled; at least for the remaining 116 frames; only 18 birds will get the "International" upgrade...the other
97 DFWEagle : Co-incidentally, today (17th July 2009) marks the 20th anniversary since AA received their first 757. #611 (N611AM) was delivered on 17th July 1989. I
98 Ripcordd : I love how all of you are experts AA only needs 40 757 they only need this or that.....Come wake up its only a ploy to get a better deal. AA is very h
99 AABB777 : Where is this bird today? Still in service, and if so operating what flights today, 7/17?
100 NicoEDDF : I love how you take everything for granted and put, also without any proof, into debate that they are very happy despite telling otherwise themselves
101 DFWEagle : Yes, it’s still in service. Today it’s on the transcons. It’s currently operating the AA183 BOS-SFO, then its scheduled to operate the return A
102 Post contains links CB97 : You can't use wide-body cans on the narrow-body 32x, they are too tall... The 32x uses LD3-45 cans which are only 45" tall, designated AKH and AKG. T
103 Phollingsworth : The LD3-45 that is illustrated on the web page you provided would be even worse in a widebody aircraft. Because it is contoured to fit the width of t
104 Ikramerica : Interesting. So who came up with this false designation of "LD3" for the A320 series? Airbus. Because a squat LD3 is not a true LD3, but a modified v
105 AirframeAS : I know you are a diehard Airbus fanboy but do you have a source to back this statement that you said?
106 BMI727 : I believe that sometime in the 90s Delta, Continental, and American signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing. Airbus protested and the protest was
107 Post contains links Keesje : Of course. Craig Kreeger, Senior Vice President-International, also told Reuters in an interview that American, a unit of AMR Corp. (AMR.N), expects
108 CB97 : My guess is that they are both called LD3 because of the common footprint, even though they do not fit common aircraft. In my experience, I have neve
109 BMI727 : Forgive my skepticism, but I'll believe it when I see it. That is exactly what an executive is supposed to say, especially one that may be trying to
110 777STL : You know, I hate being the grammar police, but I can't decipher what you're trying to say here. Please try again.
111 Post contains links and images Keesje : Times have changed. For a start Delta now has far more A320 then 737s, far more A330 then 777s and nobody knows if / when they'll get their 787s. The
112 BMI727 : I don't think that this matters since they have enough of both to have an economy of scale. If we were talking about 20+ A32x and only a few 737s, th
113 Post contains images Keesje : If everything goes well for the 787-8 and its meets it tagets its still twice as heavy as a A321/739er and good at carrying 250-300 passengers across
114 Khobar : What aircraft has Delta bought from Airbus in recent years? Is your drawing to scale? If so, is the "Greenliner" a 767-width aircraft?
115 BMI727 : They won't be using them. For that matter, those airlines do not need the 757 and do not have the 757. They, for the most part, fly 737s or A321s on
116 Dano1977 : Just out of interest... Which powerplant has AA selected for it's 787s?
117 OP3000 : DL itself has not bought anything. But Richard Anderson (current CEO) worked for NW since the early 90s until 2004 I believe, the period when NW plac
118 BMI727 : I want to say that NW got their first 320s in the late 80s, so only the 330 order could be attributed to Anderson.
119 OP3000 : Correct on the A320s, the first delivery was in 1989. The A319s were first delivered in 1999, and the A330s in 2004 when he was CEO already.
120 HAWK21M : Get them Freighter converted.....There are quite a few pickers for the B752s. regds MEL.
121 PC12Fan : That's a good rule of thumb in this industry.
122 Kappel : None, because the order is not firm. They may have selected a powerplant already, but until the order is firm, they will not announce the engine orde
123 AA777223 : I posted this is in the thread marking the 20th anniversary of AA receiving it's first 757, but have thus far, received no response. Perhaps, I will h
124 BMI727 : The 5500/5600 difference in 757s is only on NW aircraft. In fact the 5500 or 5600 designation is used only internally at the airline and is not from
125 Khobar : Ah, okay. Thank you. Wiki says Northwest's fleet was comprised of 57 A319 and 69 A320 for a total of 126. They also had 45 752's and 16 753's for a t
126 OP3000 : The good thing about the 757s is that both DL and NW have PW engines, so its the model that has the best synergies in the combined fleet which otherw
127 Phollingsworth : Of course, when compared to 763ERs the A332s are larger aircraft with similar range performance. This will lead to lower CASM. The A332 does not real
128 Post contains links Keesje : I choose to make it little wider then A320 but narrower the 767 enabling a quick boarding 2-2-2, long haul wide wide seat 3-3 configuration and vario
129 FlyASAGuy2005 : Pay scales are readily available on a few reputable websites. Some updated this year. Going strictly off salary caps, AAs most senior 757/737 captain
130 Post contains links Keesje : A new discussion on Tech Ops on Boeing / Airbus approaches to the >200 seat short / medium markets. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/
131 AA777223 : What do we know about the tech specs on AA's 757s? MTOW? Range and capabilities? Stronger or weaker comparatively? Seeing as they are the RR powered a
132 Ckfred : Because of the EU conditions on the Boeing/McD merger, Boeing had to drop the exclusivity clause out of its contracts with CO, DL, and AA. AA is free
133 Fxramper : A big problem AA has is Arpey; he hasn't done much good and he's been in the middle of plenty of issues.
134 BMI727 : Are they really trying to cut that much capacity? AA cannot really use RJs to replace them due to a really restrictive scope clause.
135 Post contains links and images Keesje : In that case Delta CEO Anderson obviously doesn't understand. "Delta will be an opportunistic purchaser of airplanes and that will include both Boein
136 OP3000 : A very vanilla airline CEO statement, that you could probably even see Arpey saying. But in Anderson's case I take him at his word, and if I were DL
137 BMI727 : Exactly. They have no choice but to say that. Furthermore, Delta is big enough that either manufacturer will bend over backwards for them. Commonalit
138 Ripcordd : How did this thread get hijacked by Delta?
139 BMI727 : Basically someone said that AA might buy Airbus aircraft. I (and others) said that it was unlikely. Others said that the gentleman's agreement is off
140 Phollingsworth : The contracts was never torn up. The EU has no legal grounds for directly effecting the contracts between AA, DL, CO, and Boeing, period. Now, other
141 BMI727 : Essentially it went from "You will buy Boeing products and get xxxx" to "If you buy Boeing products you will get xxxx." Most likely as that would fit
142 AirframeAS : That is how I understood it 10 years ago, so yeah...that is about right.
143 Hpaeaa : Last I heard AA had some impressive cargo numbers carried on those route which couldn't be carried in the 752s as easily... that and the larger premi
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