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What's Going On In PIT - Part 13  
User currently offlineKubus From Poland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 183 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

With 223 posts it's time for #13
To sum up #12
1. Don't trust PIT Wiki
2. NWADC9 always misses the good stuff
3. Everyone is in Dayton for the weekend
4. We are finally having an event for the CDG flight.

Continue

[Edited 2009-07-15 20:26:06]

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15883 times:

Well, I am going to Dayton this weekend as well. Anyone want to meet up to shake hands and say hello? I'd love to meet some on here. My wife and I have Pit Passes and will be there all day Saturday. Let me know!!


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15869 times:



Quoting Kubus (Thread starter):
2. NWADC9 always misses the good stuff

 rotfl 

Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Anyone want to meet up to shake hands and say hello? I'd love to meet some on here. My wife and I have Pit Passes and will be there all day Saturday. Let me know!!

I'm passing on the event since the earliest I can reschedule my college stuff is the end of the month and I don't want to get crappy classes and times. I'll probably kick myself in the rear for it, but oh well.

Maybe I'll buy a refundable ticket to God knows where, check in, go through security, then cancel the ticket and get my money back while I enjoy what's left of the Airmall and planespotting  Wink



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

Myself and Tarmacphotos will be there if anyone wants to have a PIT meetup. Let us know. He will be there all week. I will only be there on Saturday.


Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15769 times:

A few threads ago I posted a rendering of the proposed maglev station at PIT. Here it is again below:

http://sections.asme.org/PGH/maglev0005.pdf
page 37

A few days ago I came across a newer concept drawing if anyone's interested:

http://www.maglevpa.com/images/airportmagportnew.jpg

This one seems really big; its as big as the landside terminal. I like the location of the one in the first drawing better. It doesn't clutter up against the landside terminal like this one does.



FLYi
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15755 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 2):
Maybe I'll buy a refundable ticket to God knows where, check in, go through security, then cancel the ticket and get my money back while I enjoy what's left of the Airmall and planespotting

The only trouble with that is how you get your refund. Remember, if you don't show up, the ticket gets cancelled and you probably can't get a refund.  Wink

Of course, knowing the security around here just past 9/11 I could've probably HAND-WRITTEN a ticket from my travel training and gotten through security, they were so stupid.  Wink

[Edited 2009-07-16 14:05:03]


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User currently offlineKubus From Poland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 183 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15703 times:

The Baker's 2002 rendering looks to take up space where the road for departure and arrivals is. The other one runs into the Hilton. They should consider putting it behind, where the PAT/TAXI/Shuttle's go. Better yet, use the E gates for it and the alternate checkpoint becomes the Maglev check point.
Many choices to consider, but I'm thinking I'll never see it in my lifetime. All they did in last 10 years is study after study.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15674 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
This one seems really big; its as big as the landside terminal. I like the location of the one in the first drawing better. It doesn't clutter up against the landside terminal like this one does.

I wonder how tall it is. If its only a couple stories tall then it wouldn't be bad, but if it blocks the view of the Landside terminal from the parking areas, then it could be a problem.

Quoting Kubus (Reply 6):
The Baker's 2002 rendering looks to take up space where the road for departure and arrivals is. The other one runs into the Hilton. They should consider putting it behind, where the PAT/TAXI/Shuttle's go. Better yet, use the E gates for it and the alternate checkpoint becomes the Maglev check point.
Many choices to consider, but I'm thinking I'll never see it in my lifetime. All they did in last 10 years is study after study.

I think it's between the roadways and the parking garage. I think having it closer to the terminal is better then having it near the Hyatt. Won't be nearly as far to walk to. And I don't think they would use the old E gate areas. Number one... they have already built the North Matrix building that is now in use. And there are plans to turn the old ramp area into parking for employees in the future... will it happen... who knows.



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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15667 times:

It seems crazy/wasteful to not put Maglev/LRT/whatever entry at the alternate checkpoint on the old commercial dropoff area. No need to build some big expensive terminal somewhere and instead just retrofit that area AND allow those customers to use the alternate checkpoint in concourse E.

User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15652 times:



Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 8):
It seems crazy/wasteful to not put Maglev/LRT/whatever entry at the alternate checkpoint on the old commercial dropoff area. No need to build some big expensive terminal somewhere and instead just retrofit that area AND allow those customers to use the alternate checkpoint in concourse E.

Most will need to get over into the Landside terminal anyways to check in. And the alternate checkpoint isn't open half the time. Only way this would work is if they expanded the alt checkpoint and kept it open longer.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15503 times:

Are timetables available at the Southwest ticket counter? I was thinking of snatching one up as it'll be their last. PITops?


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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15473 times:

Yeah there should be. Right at the end of the counter closest to CO. If not, then I'll try and grab some. I'll be back at work Sunday.


Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15468 times:



Quoting Kubus (Thread starter):
2. NWADC9 always misses the good stuff

Heck, I'm so far out of the loop on some of this stuff, I miss more than NWADC9 does!!

I'm in PHILLY for Pete's sake!

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):

My opinion, I like the idea of having it right up against the Landside terminal, altho I am a bit partial to having it behind it instead of in front of it. I know that they intend to turn the E gates into a parking lot, but I think they can provide space for a MAGLEV terminal.

The MAGLEV terminal, the 2nd rendering there, I think it looks really sharp! I also hope it comes to fruition in my lifetime, but we'll see what happens...



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15457 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
My opinion, I like the idea of having it right up against the Landside terminal, altho I am a bit partial to having it behind it instead of in front of it. I know that they intend to turn the E gates into a parking lot, but I think they can provide space for a MAGLEV terminal.

I think they could take out the old Commercial Departues curb roadway and put it there. There should be adequate room there. Would have access to the Alt checkpoint and ticketing. Would be just a short ride up from baggage. There really is no way to put it on the Transit level on that side since you have the checkpoint as well as all the baggage T points behind the scenes. If they wanted to add it to the 2nd level, then building it between the parking garage and the terminal would be the best option. They could have an escalator up or down to the tracks depending on where they have them.



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15387 times:

While exciting in concept I doubt that this will ever see the light of day. I was a member of one of the NIMBY groups in Westmoreland County back in 2002 or so when this first hit the light of day. At that time the alignment put it about 200 feet from my back yard. The development group was using map and census data that was over ten years old back then. Entire neighborhoods had been built where their maps were still showing farmland.
Through the extensive meetings/hearings/etc that occurred at that time, I came away less than impressed with the developers of this project. Unless they have made MAJOR staffing changes this group has less than a snowball's chance in hell of ever landing this project.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15335 times:



Quoting Flaps (Reply 14):
While exciting in concept I doubt that this will ever see the light of day. I was a member of one of the NIMBY groups in Westmoreland County back in 2002 or so when this first hit the light of day. At that time the alignment put it about 200 feet from my back yard. The development group was using map and census data that was over ten years old back then. Entire neighborhoods had been built where their maps were still showing farmland.
Through the extensive meetings/hearings/etc that occurred at that time, I came away less than impressed with the developers of this project. Unless they have made MAJOR staffing changes this group has less than a snowball's chance in hell of ever landing this project.

I doubt it will become a formality but it's cool to pretend.



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User currently offlineTarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15235 times:

Am I the only one that would rather drive my own car to the airport rather than take some sort of glorified train? Will that many people actually use something like this in Pittsburgh? Its not like its New York city here and people don't have cars. When I get home from a trip on a flight I want to get to my car and get to my house ASAP, not wait for some train to take me to some train station somewhere where I will have to get in my car and drive to my house anyway. Am I missing something? Is this just another government program to line the pockets of some politician's relative who gets the contract to build this? If we are lucky it will link up with the billion dollar tunnel to nowhere under the Allegheny river that no one will ever use.

[Edited 2009-07-18 18:24:48]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15222 times:

I agree 100%. Unless I live within 200' of a station I'm getting in my car to the airport. The only way I see this as a success is if it is only a stop along a line from the northeast to the midwest.


FLYi
User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15207 times:



Quoting Tarmacphotos (Reply 16):
Am I the only one that would rather drive my own car to the airport rather than take some sort of glorified train? Will that many people actually use something like this in Pittsburgh? Its not like its New York city here and people don't have cars. When I get home from a trip on a flight I want to get to my car and get to my house ASAP, not wait for some train to take me to some train station somewhere where I will have to get in my car and drive to my house anyway. Am I missing something? Is this just another government program to line the pockets of some politician's relative who gets the contract to build this? If we are lucky it will link up with the billion dollar tunnel to nowhere under the Allegheny river that no one will ever use.

Good point. How many people use public transit during the day though?



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15181 times:

Given that I have always lived relatively far from the airport (usually 50 miles or so) even though I have always worked there, this is something that I might actually use if it were ever put into "practical" operation. As stated above, I have already come out as a NIMBY on this project.
When I lived in Westmoreland County I often traveled via LBE rather than drive across town to PIT. Free parking, a five minute checkin and a 20 min Twin Otter flight across town...it was great. I could easily see myself driving a short distance to a Maglev station to save the costs and hassles of parking.
The Maglev concept that has been laid out for Western PA is great on paper. The technical drawings and business case on the surface "seem" well thought out. My concern is that this proposal is very cosmetic. Beneath the surface I see serious questions about the thoroughness of this proposal. How do you "overlook" the construction of over 50 homes in the $400,000 to $600,000 dollar range? Any group that could stand before several hundred citizens and tell them that the homes that they live in arent really there leaves some real questions in my mind. I would love to see something like this in operation someday. I think it is a great concept. I am seriously concerned though that we have hitched our wagons to a Shetland pony instead of the Clydesdale that would be needed to make this happen.


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15145 times:



Quoting Tarmacphotos (Reply 16):
Is this just another government program to line the pockets of some politician's relative who gets the contract to build this?

You, sir, have captured the essence of much of public transit. The dirty little secret is that public transit never pays for itself. It must always be subsidized in some fashion and that's true throughout the world. This is especially true for rail transit, which is prohibitively expensive to build and, I'm guessing, would be all the more true for exotic rail such as this.

As is the case with virtually all government boondoggles, the projected costs to build are unrealistically low, so put at least a 30% fudge factor in there. Then there is the cost to operate the thing and,often, they don't even generate enough revenue to cover the marginal costs of operations (let alone amortize the cost of construction).

Unfortunately, "shovel ready" more readily pertains to the political rhetoric than to the projects themselves.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15117 times:



Quoting Logos (Reply 20):
The dirty little secret is that public transit never pays for itself. It must always be subsidized in some fashion and that's true throughout the world.

In my transportation planning class, that was a heated discussion for about 2 weeks: how to properly fund public transportation. Right now, I think they're using the gas tax as well as other taxes to bail out transit systems. It's great if you live in one of the economic engines of Philly or Pittsburgh, but the argument is why should a resident of Lycoming County pay extra taxes so that someone living in Delaware County can take the train to Center City, or someone living in Pittsburgh can take a bus to the store?

Frankly, I am all for public transit. Anything to make it better (i.e. better equipment, system, funding etc...) I am for it, but it should be up to the people who actually use it or who will use it.

I think the problem is that our society fell too much in love with the car. We've built roads that radiate out of the urban centers and into the surrounding hinterlands. Now we have $250-500k homes in areas that were once woods, farms, or prairies. The apartment complex where I live now I think is a prime example of that. It's about 20 years old and sits on land that was once a farm. Surrounding it is $300k homes on either side of a major 4-to-6-lane highway (PA 100).

If I could have it my way, I'd live in an area connected by public transportation.

In essence, I also would love to see this thing work, but the only folks I see using it are those who live near the airport, those getting from the airport into downtown or out to Greensburg or some place in between, or vise versa. What a transportation planner could do to determin ridership on something like this is draw a quarter-mile buffer around the proposed station locations along this line (walking distance to the station sites) and overlay population figures on top of it, use the buffers to clip the population information, and that's the total number of people that would likely ride that. I'm doing something like this for my masters thesis

Yeah, I know, that's the inner planner coming out!  Smile

And wait a second... I think they've already done that... oh well...



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15088 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
If I could have it my way, I'd live in an area connected by public transportation.

Though my statements could be certainly interpreted otherwise, I'm actually not against using public transportation and have done so heavily when living in urban areas (New York City and Berlin). In both those areas, cars were heavily taxed to subsidize my use of public transportation (either through tolls in the case of NYC or onerous registration and gas taxes in Germany). I actually enjoyed the experience and it made some sense for those ares.

From a planning standpoint, I wouldn't be opposed to right of ways being preserved for future public transit when energy costs (not the taxes on energy, but the actual costs) would dictate making them economically viable. You're right, we've developed a society that is almost wholly dependent on the automobile to provide transportation to work and to markets. If the automobile ever becomes economically inviable, then we shall face some trouble as a society.

Having said that, this project is a boondoggle from the word go. It would never have the ridership to justify the enormous expense, especially given the current paucity of flights at PIT.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15026 times:

Some PIT news... CO is moving to A concourse. They are getting 3 gates. Not sure on the dates or which gates yet. Their ticket counter is staying put for now due to the high costs of the new North Matrix system.


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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15010 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 23):
Some PIT news... CO is moving to A concourse.

hmm, that is some prime realestate closest the the escalators. I didn't think Delta took the leases for all of the NW gates?

I guess my question is that I am not certain who owns what in the D concourse now and why the necessitates moving CO to A for an extra gate.


25 USPIT10L : When is that effective? CO's been at D77 and D79 since the airport opened. I presume they'd take A2, A4 and A6, as they are the closest to the entry
26 Pgh234 : So therefore CO should be able to take D81 if they want a third gate?
27 USPIT10L : I have a feeling they are moving their entire operation over to Concourse A. If that wasn't in the cards, D81 would definitely be a possibility, at l
28 PITops : They are supposed to be upgrading to more 739s so they will need more space. And if they plan to grow, A would be the place to do it. That was one co
29 Pgh234 : For anyone interested, it seems DL has swaped out the 757 for a 767 for Monday's CDG-PIT run. The 757 looks like it went mech and diverted to JFK enro
30 NWADC9 : If I miss this... Now there's something I never knew! Is there a list of every gate assignment for every airline that has operated or attempted to op
31 BigBill : Now if only someone would reopen a club! Any chance of Delta ever reopening one due to its increased presence and international flight?
32 USPIT10L : Here you go: AC--C53 AA--D86-D89 HP--D77, D89, B28, B30, B32 BA--C61 CO--D77, D79 DL--D76, D78, D80, D82, D84 W9-C52 FL--C52, C54 DH--C56 B6--C56, C5
33 Pliersinsight : Remember when.........you could make one of those Channel 13 documentaries about that. Laterest in the Pittsburgh History Series of Things that Aren'
34 USPIT10L : Touche. However, US still hasn't completely pulled out of the market yet, it just seems that way. In fact, on the sequel to "Things That Aren't There
35 Post contains links Pit : This one is my favorite, dated 2001 http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2001/jan/010131.cfoa.html
36 PITops : They say no but I would think since they have international flights that they would open one. Who knows.
37 Steeler83 : What the deuce?!! Yep, I'm gonna miss it. I have Monday off, but I have to be back at work here in Exton by 7am on Tuesday. So, I doubt it's gonna wo
38 Pit : Us Airways Update, US mainline ends sept 13. Republic just leased the other hanger.
39 Steeler83 : So all flights to BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, CLT, LAS and PHX will all be US express flying? Wow... Ok, now I would have to think that US has officially hit
40 BigBill : Oh my
41 Tarmacphotos : Which hangar? When will this be confirmed? I have flights booked to CLT and LAS on US mainline. There is no way I'm flying an RJ to LAS.
42 PITops : Holy crap. So everything will be RJs and EMBs? And is this confirmed or just a rumor?
43 PITrules : Still showing plenty of mainline on their website. Regardless US Airways is probably kicking themselves for signing a long term lease on 10 gates; the
44 NWADC9 : That 763 was epic cool Drove through the airport after I saw a DL tail at C from Ewing Rd., and lo and behold, it was the 763 in Wavy Gravy digs pushi
45 PITops : The September schedule is out and its still mainline to CLT. Where is the info coming from?
46 Tarmacphotos : I'd like to know too. I called today to verify my flights to CLT in September and to LAS in November. They said nothing has changed.
47 Steeler83 : And to PHL, as well as LAS and PHX. What kind of express equipment could do a PIT-LAS/PHX routing anyway? Isn't all PIT-CLT mainline? I looked at mid
48 Kubus : deja vu, PIT are you basing it on wiki again: US Airways (Charlotte, Las Vegas, Los Angeles [ends August 18], New York-LaGuardia [resumes December 17]
49 PITops : I wish we could lock the PIT Wiki site. My roommate is a US flight attendant so I'm sure his info is correct. He said he hadn't looked at the other fl
50 Tarmacphotos : Why can't we just change it the same way someone put the information in?
51 Kubus : OT Tarmac you are my hero... I just saw your spotting guide for PIT.
52 Post contains links PITrules : Looks like plans are coming together for how PIT will handle the G-20: Airport officials work on plans to park planes for G-20 summit "If all of the p
53 Post contains links and images PITrules : Also, President Obama has invited Spain and The Netherlands to attend, who are not part of the G-20. View Large View MediumPhoto © Colin Hunter V
54 Tarmacphotos : One or two people standing on that grass hill would stand out. It would be smarter to use one of the parking lots in which the police would have a ha
55 PITops : Good points. You are THE person to talk to about spotting at PIT.
56 PITrules : As a professional photographer, if you haven't already done so you might want to just call the ACAA, point them to your website, and see if you can r
57 PITops : I had the same issues with the lot under 10L. Years went passed with noone questioning why I was there. Then all of a sudden, noone was allowed parki
58 Tarmacphotos : I always have my PIT and AGC badges with me as well as a few photography business cards. Your exactly right how that changes the tone of things as so
59 USPIT10L : I always kept mine in my car, so I wouldn't lose it and would always know exactly where it was. Too bad I don't have one now.
60 NWADC9 : So I took a little trip to the Landside Terminal with my little brother to pick up a Southwest timetable (also took some USA3000 luggage tags because
61 USPIT10L : Yeah, I have quite a few AA ticket jackets from back in the day, as well as various other airline trinkets for the exact same reason--no one was ther
62 NWADC9 : Yeah, I saw some CO ticket jackets on top of the kiosks at their counter, but an agent was standing there so I didn't bother Two agents were helping
63 USPIT10L : If you ask politely, they usually are more than happy to give you something, but don't just reach over the counter recklessly, even if no one is ther
64 PITops : The 732 just took off while I was walking out. What time were you at the airport? I was working.
65 NWADC9 : We were there from about 7-730p. Ticket counters looked deserted save a small line at YX/Direct Air and a few pax scattered throughout other airlines
66 PITops : Yeah that sounds about right. Our last flight leaves shortly after that. Most people are already checked in. We wouldn't think you are weird for gett
67 Pit : I think that 732 is louder than the md80 and the dc9. I had a friend arrive on it today from Atlantic City, i was working at C56 and saw him walk by,
68 Pit : Who operated it today? Maybe Virgin America finally wised up and stopped providing the charter.
69 Post contains links BigBill : Virgin America still operates it, according to flightaware at least. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VRD5818 I wonder how full those flights get.
70 USPIT10L : From what I've heard, they do pretty well, but then again, bag counts don't always correspond with passenger boardings. For example, DL's SLC flight
71 Pit : Nobody checks bags anymore unless there going Intl. Then they take all the bags they can.
72 PITIngres : Nonsense. I always check a bag unless I'm only staying overnight. Vacationers check bags. Who is this "nobody"?
73 PITops : It was pretty loud. I had to stop and watch it while I was walking. Was definately louder then the other aircraft at PIT. That's why we have so many
74 USPIT10L : Sure could've fooled me on all the flights I've ever worked. We were lucky if we didn't have at least 30-40 bags on every departure, minimum on an RJ
75 PITRules : "Redwood" has been flying two flights on Saturdays. Also, back in the Hooters Air days, they put one of their 757s on the PIT run at the end. Vacatio
76 PITops : Virgin is still here. Saw them today.
77 PITA333 : Well guys, say goodbye to NW/DL DC9 service.... Looks like its ending. I was looking at flights for October and can't find a DC9 to MSP or DTW...
78 NWADC9 : Say it ain't so!
79 Tarmacphotos : What is in their place?
80 PITA333 : Looks like a combo of CR9s and CRJs with the Compass E-Jets.... Can't really say I'm happy about the substitution. Now how did I know I'd find you co
81 Post contains links and images NWADC9 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Kryst - YXUphoto
82 PITA333 : Personally, I'm not a fan of the CR9 as a replacement. I'd rather see increased service with Compass's E Jets...
83 PITops : LAME!!! I'll miss hearing those jets take off. Definately the loudest there besides the ocassional 732.
84 Steeler83 : and CR9s? I would've thought they'd consider some other mainline option, but I guess there aren't anything else in their fleet that could accomodate
85 USPIT10L : They don't have a mainline aircraft with fewer than 100 seats, much less 125 pax. No one really does right now. For DL, it's the MD-88 with 142 or th
86 NWADC9 : What's sad is about five years ago NW had the best RJ of all - the DC-9-10. Now THAT's a powerhouse that'll beat any CRJ, ERJ, PBRJ, whatever you can
87 USPIT10L : The DC9 family served a niche the likes of which we will probably never see again. It's funny, most of the Piedmont and Southwest fans I know are hug
88 Logos : Actually, DL does operate a small fleet of 73G's as well (10 of them, if memory serves). Cheers, Dave in Orlando
89 Steeler83 : That was probably the golden age of flying... circa1965-1985 IMO. Man, I am starting to miss the DC9s already!! I guess I'm not going to be able to f
90 Pliersinsight : If guys get arrested, call me for your legal defense. I always enjoy going out to the magistrate that covers the airport.
91 Tarmacphotos : So what day does DC-9 service end here?
92 PITA333 : Also a point I wanted to bring up.... With the YX Connect service operated by OO ending come January, what will happen to the YX / OO 's 3 flights a d
93 Pliersinsight : I would have throughly enjoyed a Montecristo on Lufthansa flights or sang along with whoever played the organ/piano on Pan am 747s too.
94 PITops : PIT is getting some diversions again due to nasty weather on the east coast. I have seen a UA 752, AA MD82, and an A300 and DC10 from FedEx. All were
95 PITrules : I just noticed JetBlue is back down to only two flights from JFK. They previously announced JFK and BOS would each get a frequency for the summer (3x
96 USPIT10L : Good question. I just got back from hanging out with a friend who works at YX part-time. He said they were adding an additional MKE flight in August,
97 Silentbob : That makes no sense. 1. Getting rid of the 190s would mean more furloughs, not something that is going to entice the pilots to sign a new contract. 2
98 PITops : B6 is lucky to still be here. PIT was on the cutting block a year or so ago when CMH was cut out of the system. It was the determination of their GM
99 USPIT10L : That's what I'm hearing, there's an entire thread about it currently active. Supposedly, Parker and company want some room to negotiate with USAPA.
100 PITrules : When I worked there a few years ago the loads were pathetic. Now it seems some flights are hit or miss. But to not be able to support a late evening
101 Silentbob : I'm familiar with the situation. Your understanding, or at least your characterization, of the situation does not match up with what is going on.
102 Post contains links PITrules : "Squads of diplomats from each of the G-20 nations are expected in the city Tuesday for the same day-long tour of the meeting venue provided to Americ
103 Post contains links PITrules : PIT will lose one of the FedEx feeder flights http://www.times-news.com/business/l...ry_210231228.html?keyword=topstory
104 Steeler83 : Maybe there is higher O&D to JFK from CLT than there is from PIT... I know that the bulk of the folks going to NYC from PIT fly into LGA. I am not ex
105 Pit : We were to be cut. The night before the annoucement of the PIT station being pulled, US announced the cut of about 20 flights. At that point B6 decid
106 Flaps : I try to fly B6 but with such a limited number of frequencies its difficult. Even though they are my first choice in these markets, too often the sche
107 Tarmacphotos : I would prefer to fly B6 when I go to CLT, but the way the schedule is with the layover in JFK I could get there faster driving. It is a shame, but I
108 Kubus : I'm still B6 virgin, here is why: Business: 1. JFK - at least for me - is not convinient to mid-town 2. 10:30A departure and last flight back to PIT a
109 Steeler83 : I think the timing of the flights has been the central argument from since they first started, or shortly after... Anyway, you know how UA has 2 main
110 Pit : No not anytime soon. They wont have the equipment. All WN wants is the routes. Im thinking all of the F9 aircraft will be sold. WN wants nothing to d
111 PITops : I think a DEN nonstop might work. We have alot of passengers flying to DEN, especially in the winter. In June, out of all the small stations in the W
112 USPIT10L : I agree, it would probably do pretty well. Of course, when F9 started CAK back in 2005, about the same time WN started here, I was livid. Not because
113 DeltaRules : I think they have 7 already & the original order was for 10. We got them in CMH for a few months after they entered service & I flew the 73G twice...
114 Steeler83 : Wow! I guess it's no surprise as I would bet that the bulk of that are ski fanatics. Given that, I wonder if they still intend to add a few more dest
115 PITops : That's what it's going to come down to, the ACAA and the fees.
116 GSP psgr : What do you think would be the most likely adds if WN were to expand? Also on another more random thought, I'm hoping Republic wins out in the F9 swe
117 Steeler83 : DEN, FLL, BDL to name a few... We'll see. I still doubt somewhat that PIT could ever be a hub for anyone again tho. Maybe with E70s and E90s, but we'
118 PITrules : When they started PIT, they had 4 daily flights to JFK, so I don't think timing was an issue. Plus their fares were rock bottom. Its just another exa
119 Post contains links PITrules : OTOH CDG seems to be doing OK "Delta spokeswoman Susan Elliot said the carrier "continues to be pleased with the performance" of the 2-month-old route
120 Logos : I would agree to a point. I think what you see is that it is difficult to penetrate the awareness of the Pittsburgh flying public and that it takes s
121 Pliersinsight : Crazy, crazy thought for today that would be great for wild speculative discussion: What if Pitt, or maybe more like Robert Morris, started an ERAU ty
122 PITops : B6 just hired like 3 people. Good luck. Good thinking but I doubt that will happen. It would make too much sense. Some WN news... WN will be down to
123 Tarmacphotos : The landing fees, ramp fees, and rent at PIT would make this program uncompetitive with PFTC and the school in Beaver.
124 Pliersinsight : HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's awesome. Spoken like those truly frustrated with the goings, rather NOT goings, on out there.
125 Steeler83 : What a wonderful economy we have! PIT's not losing any destinations, are they?
126 PITops : As far as I know no. Just losing frequencies. PHL in August Weekday MCO in November And I believe another MCO and MDW in January. I would assume that
127 PITA333 : That has to be it... I truly believe these frequency losses are due to the economy more so than an inability to put the butts in the seats!
128 PITops : Yeah because like I said in an earlier post... we have amazing load factors right now. So the seats are full, just not making as much money as we nee
129 Post contains links PITrules : ATP, a nationwide flight academy has a bit of a hole geographically which Pittsburgh would fill nicely. http://www.atpflightschool.com/flight_schools
130 PITops : There's been a ton of touch and goes lately. We need some fighters stationed at PIT.
131 Tarmacphotos : I was told today aircraft relocating to PIT from AGC for the August AGC closure will be positioned on the Sierra De-ice ramp.
132 Pliersinsight : 1. Let's just say, in my flight training, while I appreciate the activity, it is not fun to be at pattern altitude and have C-130s and other stuff in
133 PITrules : We had an A-7 squadron up until 1990 or so. Ironically they relocated because PIT was getting too busy.
134 PITops : The last Virgin America departure for Myrtle Beach Direct Air was this evening.
135 Kubus : That reminds me when I sat at MSY last year, waiting for my flight. I had my nose in my laptop looking at the weather, when all the sudden I heard th
136 Tarmacphotos : I don't think they relocated. The 112th FW was deactivated to add an additional squadron of KC-135s within the 171st ARW. They lost a squadron of obs
137 Post contains links NWADC9 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL95 Wha?!
138 PITrules : "Sikorsky S-70 (twin-turboshaft)". Helicopter; probably just picked up an IFR flight plan east of FWA and canceled west of PIT. Don't know why they us
139 ULMFlyer : A little OT, but does anyone have more info about PFTC regarding PPL training? Their website gives a professional impression, but you never know. Any
140 PITrules : I worked there for about 2 days as a CFI. It is (or was) owned by Corporate Air at AGC. The guy who ran the business when I was there didn't have a g
141 Post contains links Kubus : Anyone going to the Westmoreland Wings and Wheels this weekend @ LBE? Another restored B-17 will be making rounds and is $5 to get a ground tour. Arno
142 Tarmacphotos : I'll be at YNG from tomorrow through Sunday for the airshow or else I would stop by to get a few pictures. I've never seen Aluminum Overcast.
143 Post contains links PITrules : AA has a 757 arriving this evening courtesy of the STL Cardinals http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9435
144 Kubus : Speaking of 757. I have a family member flying on DL 188 today, so I checked the loads to see if she can even attempt to upgrade - 4 Bus and 12 Eco ar
145 PITrules : I've been interested in this as well and as such routinely compare PIT loads to those of the CVG-CDG flight. This Saturday is another good example. No
146 Steeler83 : Wow!! What equipment is DL 52 from ATL, a 763? I'm sure DL has other flights leaving ATL that are a little more full than that!
147 YNGguins : I will be there as well. I am actually flying back into YNG on Friday Night and will get a VIP tour of the air show, then I will go again sometime th
148 BigBill : DL188 is delayed this evening for a couple hours, and according to the Delta website, the equipment is going to be a 767!!
149 Post contains links and images PITrules : Looks like it's coming up from ATL to arrive at 8pm, and will operate tomorrow's return CDG-PIT flight as well. Direct Air is now using Falcon Air Exp
150 Kubus : The replacement PIT-CDG 763 is coming from ATL as DAL248. If this is correct then the flight is 4 hours behind. Schedule departure out of PIT is 9:15P
151 Pgh234 : I am riding DL 188 on Saturday...a 763 with an op-up would be nice.
152 Kubus : Starting to wonder already.
153 Post contains links PITrules : Good Times... "But according to data obtained from the Official Airline Guide, which collects flight schedules from more than 900 airlines around the
154 Steeler83 : "Fat on the bone?" After that, there'll be nothing left to cut but the "bone" itself... So BDL, RDU, and STL are the only p2p routes remaining out of
155 PITops : I didn't think there was any fat left to cut. I must have been wrong.
156 Steeler83 : My thoughts as well. As far as PIT being overserved, I can only think of RDU, BDL, and STL to a limited extent. There is some O&D to those markets, b
157 Post contains links Pit : Southwest 622 had a bird strike today. Heard it on liveatc.net http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA622
158 PITops : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA622 It came back to the gate. Parked at A7. The bird hit the engine on the FO side. No damage.
159 Steeler83 : Good to know that all was well. How often do bird strikes occur at PIT?
160 Post contains links PITrules : A CNN check of the nation's 50 busiest airports showed the following had the highest numbers of reported wildlife strikes during the 19-year period:
161 Kubus : 7/19 was the first swap, but it was done in JFK after diversion. Thursday's change was still on the incoming 757 from ATL. Sorry PGH234... I tried bu
162 Steeler83 : Wow, I never imagined PIT having the 10th highest number out of that study. I'm surprised LGA wasn't on that top 10 list, altho JFK was 4th...
163 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Airport Business Pittsburgh Airport Authority Bond Rating Downgraded To Negative http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?siteSect
164 Pliersinsight : " target=_blank>http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/24/pla....html So, with the decline, that means almost every flight gets hit with wildlife?
165 Post contains links PITrules : Heathrow service returns...for a day: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA67
166 PITops : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA67 On a 737?
167 NWADC9 : Gotta love FlightAware's quirks 757-200w
168 Post contains links PITrules : The flight is LHR-CLE-LAX, with an aircraft change to a 738 in CLE. It's now on its way PIT-CLE via a tour of Ohio due to the weather. http://flightaw
169 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...30105 That article is rather old news, and I think I read about it elsewhere. See my "fat on t
170 Post contains links PITrules : Blah blah blah http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09224/990135-28.stm If Continental needs a third gate why can't they take one of NW's former gates right
171 Tooluther : Re: US/DL LGA realignment The US press release stated that "Mainline service" from PIT to LGA would remain (one of the few other than shuttle...so I s
172 PITops : Why not just move US to A concourse since they don't want to be in PIT anyways. Completely close off B and move the concessions down to A.
173 USPIT10L : I get the impression US is leaving the Express market at LGA almost completely. PIT would not be affected, they would switch DH8s and ERJs to mainlin
174 PITrules : Well WN (3 gates) can move to B, or US (10 gates) can move to A - it all results in the same thing. US has been the long time customer while WN is th
175 PITrules : My prediction is US flies 5 E jets and Airbuses with their reduced slots. Delta Connection will make up the difference by adding LGA with 2 or 3 dail
176 BigBill : It COULD be a benefit if they used just A and B for all the airlines and then get rid of D and keep C for international. A and B has a lot more in th
177 Post contains links PITrules : LBE tries to lure United Express: "United Express — a division of United Airlines — approached Monzo in late July about operating one of its affil
178 Post contains links and images PITrules : Two Delta 757s will be arriving from PHX (NFL charters) at about 7pm today. One will be a 757-300, not sure of the livery: http://flightaware.com/live
179 PITops : I wonder if the airlines would go for that? That would mean longer walks for both passengers and workers to get to the gates. I don't see that happen
180 Tooluther : That's fine. Get AA over to A and at least shut down half of it....or put in a slots parlor.
181 PITops : There wouldn't be a need to shut down part of D. Would only be like 4 gates at the end if anything. I think slots could be in the future, if the ACAA
182 Tarmacphotos : The move is on. Look for all AGC jets to relocate before Monday to De-ice pad Sierra, the old Heinz hangar (if the new roof is finished), Corporate Ai
183 Steeler83 : Well, as was posted the other day, apparently Republic won the bid for F9. Anyone have any predictions on how this would affect PIT regarding YX, RP,
184 NWADC9 : We're still not gonna get F9 here in PIT. Those ex-F9 EMBs that were here being stored and later converted to operations with a certain cookie-baking
185 USPIT10L : YX is staying as it is. F9 flies to CAK, there's no reason for them to fly here yet.
186 Steeler83 : Yup... They pretty much serve two large markets with CAK: The Burgh and Cleveland. They could market it as such but -- oh wait... That'd make them to
187 USPIT10L : To be honest with you, when F9 announced CAK, I was steaming, because if there's anything PIT needs, it's new carriers. I especially felt DEN deserve
188 GSP psgr : SAN, I doubt, but I could see a scenario (albeit a very unlikely one) where AS jumps in with a daily 73G or something like that. AS's SEA network has
189 Steeler83 : That, and getting the existing carriers to add more service. Correct? Come to think of it, the legacy airlines have been extremely consistent with th
190 USPIT10L : PIT's not the only city "losing" DC9 service. As the frames come up on retirement time, they're retired. I do wish DL had more E175s and E170s to wor
191 Steeler83 : Oh yeah, I know that. Heck, those DC9s have been in the air since Linden Johnson was in the White House! I meant that it would be a shame to see them
192 Joeman : You never know what the future holds. After deregulation all the legacies jumped on making all kinds of hubs so they could compete in every major dom
193 Steeler83 : Interesting theory... It seems to insinuate that the age of commercial aviation might revert somewhat back to the pre-deregulation era with added p2p
194 NWADC9 : Ok, I'll speak for you - they're still CRJs, and CRJ stands for Canadian Rubbish Junker. While the 700 and 900 have the window height fixed, they sti
195 USPIT10L : Don't forget about SLC.
196 BigBill : In October it looks like DL to ATL will be at 10 daily flights and only 1 will be on an RJ
197 Post contains links PITrules : United's SFO and LAX flights start today, here's some background and other info: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_638724.html
198 Post contains links and images PITrules : A bit of a rare bird coming: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N161HL This aircraft was formerly registered as VH-SXK, it is coming from SkyAirWorld
199 PITops : Also, Allegiant had an aircraft sitting at the A concourse overnight and this morning. Was here for a charter but was delayed overnight due to mainten
200 Steeler83 : Sweet!!! Ooops!! Hey, PITrules, Something from the article that I think is an error... Ft. Lauderdale? No service AT ALL to FLL from PIT??? So, where
201 NWADC9 : Diverted to Harisburg
202 PITrules : I noticed that too; plus FLL at 28th? I would think it would be higher than that, although it states it is a list of "business destinations". At leas
203 PITrules : One of the air fleet websites originally had this airplane routed KEF-BGR-IND. Will be interesting if it goes on to IND from MDT, or if Republic's PI
204 Steeler83 : Oh yeah, I forgot that they had that ol' mx base at PIT Now, if you ask me, I think that SAN and SEA should warant an A319, while LAX and SFO I think
205 USPIT10L : I guess FLL went back to being seasonal. The A320 sounds right for equipment on LAX and SFO. Remember, the upgraded equipment worked because of massi
206 PITrules : Some days (Fridays for example) have 11 flights - 10 mainline including 1 757 and 1 738, plus 1 CRJ. Looks like the 11th flight (the 757) is tied int
207 Post contains images Steeler83 : mmmm I don't know... For the heck of it, I went onto their website, for December bookings (I picked the 18th and 22nd randomly) and it shows a second
208 PITA333 : My PIT-MKE segment I booked for November 29th is also on a 73G..... Interesting indeed.
209 PITrules : The flight will continue on to SFO, perhaps that's why the 737
210 Steeler83 : So this flight is doing a PIT-MKE-SFO run... Hmmm...
211 PITA333 : Good news NWADC9! Looks like NW/DL has DC-9 service back starting in October for the PIT-MSP route
212 Post contains images NWADC9 : HECK YES!!! I'll take the plane with the cookies, thanks At least they sorta look the same...
213 PITops : I like watching FL takeoff from 28R. They like to use the WHOLE runway.
214 Steeler83 : They have cookies on their regional afiliates' flights? I thought it was just on their signature service and whatever their MD80 service is/was...
215 Jsposaune : Yup...even the CR2's have ovens. OT, but looks like another pretty heavy diversion day at PIT...even a couple heavies!
216 Steeler83 : A UA 772 diverted from IAD? What about diversions from PHL and JFK? I know the weather out here sucks right now! Severe weather with possible tornado
217 NWADC9 : Cookies are on all Midwest and Midwest Connect flights departing after 10a. I know of the AA 762 (which I, of course, missed ). And quite a few A321s
218 Pit : Sometime i like to race them down 60 when they take of 28R. You just have to watch, the moon Moon PD sit on the overpass and catch speeders. Even kno
219 BigBill : I think there was a CO 767 too, I haven't seen one of those here in forever..
220 Post contains links PITrules : "Detailed yesterday during a Senate subcommittee hearing in the federal courthouse, Downtown, UPMC's plan calls for construction of an $830 million bi
221 Pit : Are you crazy? This is what the airport needs, more $! There is more than enough space avaliable at the airport to accomidate anyone who wants to set
222 PITrules : Right now there is. Do you know what the airline landscape will look like in 30 years? In simple terms, there is only one place in the region to buil
223 Post contains links Pit : Just walked down to the end of C a DAL 757 just pulled up with a medical emergency. Aparently there are some sick passengers aboard. Rumors are swine
224 Jsposaune : Weird...seems like more of a path to avoid weather more than anything. (JFK seems to be subject to a GDP, but not a full GS.) I'm not doubting you, b
225 PITrules : It might be the weather in NYC. I'm not at the airport but flight trackers are showing diversions from PAP, STI, and PUJ on Delta, and CUN and SJO on
226 Jsposaune : After looking at Flightaware, it really looks like weather in route to the NE. There were numerous diversions into PIT from the Caribbean from DL and
227 Jsposaune : Heh...just beat me with that one! Must be the weather...flights from the SE to the NYC area have been re-routing oout over central and western Ohio,
228 NWADC9 : I saw a CO 738w and a DL 752 in wavy gravy sitting in the penalty box next to 28R driving home this evening and the first thing that came to my mind w
229 PITops : Day number 2 of east coast diversions. I think we need to bring in some more businesses to the airport area. Get some more revenue to maybe drive the
230 Tarmacphotos : Dick's Sporting Good's has 4 aircraft (G550, G450, Hawker 700, Cessna Citation X), and they are hangaring their planes at their new HQ. Sounds like a
231 Steeler83 : I sure hope Westinghouse will continue to keep their hq in/near the Burgh for years to come! That would be supremely bad if Westinghouse was to leave
232 PITrules : 4 corporate aircraft (which I imagine are already present in the area - so they really bring nothing new in regard to flight operations) in exchange
233 PITrules : I just want to follow up and reiterate that I think this Vaccine thing is great for the region (although I think Specter is over-reaching it a bit wit
234 Post contains links BigBill : Doesn't seem to be swine flu.. http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09235/992784-147.stm I saw this bird on approach directly over PNC Park at about 6:45..
235 Flaps : Right now the number one problem at PIT is cost. The county simply must do everything thing possible to increase revenue and decrease costs or there s
236 PITops : There will be disaster drills tomorrow (wed) at PIT.
237 Pit : The drill went very well. Great learing expirence. The whole reason we do the drill.
238 PITops : That's good. Would've been neat to watch.
239 Tarmacphotos : I saw a KC-10 and a C-17 on final for PIT yesterday. Anyone know what they were doing here? I've been stuck at closed AGC the last two weeks. Everyone
240 Post contains links PITops : New thread has been started... What's Going on at PIT: Part 14 What's Going On In PIT - Part 14 (by NWADC9 Aug 26 2009 in Civil Aviation)
241 Srbmod : In the future when starting a new thread, please let the Moderators know, either by making a deletion suggestion asking for the older thread to be ar
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